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Uptown
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7/4/2008  5:01 PM
Posted by TMS:

why would anyone bash a 2 year MLE signing for a guy w/a 4-1 assist to turnover ratio for his career? hell, if we'd have signed Marcus Williams to that deal some o'yall would be busting a nut like there's no tomorrow right about now.

What exactly will he add to this team? Marb is a better point guard than Duhon. Nates a better player as is Craw. This doesn't improve thie team at all. Duhon isn't a play maker, he doesn't make anyone better, he doesn't break down the D, get in the lane draw defenders, dish........He's just there. Yeah, he hustles, plays hard, but this is lateral move.
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7/4/2008  5:05 PM
I think this signals the end for Marbury. should be released soon by the knicks.

Mike d'antoni did not like marbury the 1st time thats why they got rid of him and now he'll be gone again.

Duhorn is here for 2 yrs and only for about 6mm. cool deal.

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7/4/2008  5:20 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by TMS:

why would anyone bash a 2 year MLE signing for a guy w/a 4-1 assist to turnover ratio for his career? hell, if we'd have signed Marcus Williams to that deal some o'yall would be busting a nut like there's no tomorrow right about now.

What exactly will he add to this team? Marb is a better point guard than Duhon. Nates a better player as is Craw. This doesn't improve thie team at all. Duhon isn't a play maker, he doesn't make anyone better, he doesn't break down the D, get in the lane draw defenders, dish........He's just there. Yeah, he hustles, plays hard, but this is lateral move.

It fits in with the future plans to not spend heavily on someone who hasn't yet proven he's part of the team we're trying to build a few years down the line. This isn't an empty instant gratification move. Also, saying Marbury is better than anyone, at this point, is laughable. He brings his teammates so far down that he really should be considered one of the worst players in the NBA. Duhon is definitely a team player, so the rest of your statements were hating and are not really accurate.
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7/4/2008  5:30 PM
1) He plays defense. Remember how you all said we have to get better defensively?
2) He distributes the ball.
3) He can hit open 3's.
4) He's not worried about how many shots he gets or his scoring average.
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7/4/2008  5:33 PM
I see this in a whole diffirent light. Marbruy will be here, but with him looking over his sholder in a contract year, I promise you most will have a diffirent opinon of him by dec. He wont be brought out unless something drastic happens, he is much much better then chris or any so called pg we have. In mike system he won't have chances to take over the game with selfish moves because the system is not a half court game, and believe it or not steph played pretty well with mike, had it not been for Penny's contract(bloated) and Mcdyess's contract ( expiring) that deal never gets done. Most of you don't like steph for his attitude rather than his talant.

Also Chris is a nice team guy, who is dead eye from downtown, along with DG walsh is spreading the offense around either Curry or zach. This is still allowing us to be more balance at the same time going with talant that fits a system.

Im not sure what kinda of miricales you guys expect. Short term contracts outside shooting, some of the things we have been screaming for, and it's not enough to have even half this board agreeing on.
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7/4/2008  5:36 PM
Duhon defends. Can shoot. Charley Ward clone. Isn't a stud (clearly), but is another move to change the culture around here. I like it, especially given that its a harmless 2 year deal.
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7/4/2008  5:43 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:

What, were all NBA quality guards taken?

The backup PG of my enemy is my starting PG.

Walsh has yet to do anything to improve this team.


I don't think that is true.

A He did not sign anyone past two years
B Duhon scks he was almost released by the Bulls last year so when he gets jacked in the starting position it will help us get a higher draft pick --so the signing might be a blessing.
C While I think we couldve executed much better on draft night in many ways even simple ways I dont think Gallinari is a bust and could be a nice niche player in the league.

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7/4/2008  6:04 PM
Duhon provides balance. Balance is just as important as having talent. As it was proven by 76ers and other less talented teams around the league. And also proven by us since we have one of the most talented lineups on paper but have won 30 or less games the last 4yrs.

Duhon, Crawford, Nate is more balanced then Marbury, Crawford, Nate as would Duhon, Crawford, Marbury be even though it isn't as great as a Marbury, Crawford, Nate tandem on paper.

This is one of the few instances when the it "ain't your money" so don't worry about him getting 6mil for 2 yrs apply. If it were 4-5yrs then it would be a problem.
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7/4/2008  6:12 PM
[coach is the expert on pg play, not us.
--two words Marcus Banks

also what was Dantoni's record without nash



I think Amare Stoudemire Shawn marion and Steve Nash can make a lot of experts out there
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7/4/2008  6:12 PM
LOL @ "we're going to the lottery with Duhon."

Wake up and smell the roses - we're going to the lottery regardless.
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7/4/2008  6:27 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

[coach is the expert on pg play, not us.
--two words Marcus Banks

also what was Dantoni's record without nash



I think Amare Stoudemire Shawn marion and Steve Nash can make a lot of experts out there

That would be 35-76 without Nash.
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7/4/2008  6:33 PM
[quote]
Posted by Ira:

1) He plays defense. Remember how you all said we have to get better defensively?
2) He distributes the ball.
3) He can hit open 3's.
4) He's not worried about how many shots he gets or his scoring average.


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Lets also get real. He shot 38% last year and the Bulls almost released him--he's a part time PG who has seen his minutes steadily decline because of his own play. We paid a 2-3mm $? player twice his value*2 with the taxes[is chris duhon worth 12mm a year???] I dont get what we are doing? I really dont--I think if you want to tank and rebuild you do it. You want to get to get to FA in 2010--then you go full boat--this in the middle stuff will keep us flying mediocre--the ABSOLUTE worst place in sports--come on chris duhon is not a very good player--hes a marginal player--why did we need to pay chris duhon so much??? scott laydenism #1 dont pay back ups starter money
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7/4/2008  6:33 PM
Posted by Ira:

1) He plays defense. Remember how you all said we have to get better defensively?
2) He distributes the ball.
3) He can hit open 3's.
4) He's not worried about how many shots he gets or his scoring average.
Ira, you are right on.

For 2 years comitment this is an excellent signing. We needed a point guard even if Marbury stays. We didnt draft one so we got the best PG available as an unrestricted FA. And the signing doesn't cut into our salary cap for 2010.

When D'Antoni signed on as coach Walsh made him some commitments to get him the players he needs. We are starting that process with Duhon. It takes a few years to rebuild a team. We can't do nothing now and just wait for 2010 and expect miracles then. We have to start now. And I applaud DW for getting the ball rolling.

Originally posted by BRIGGS:

[coach is the expert on pg play, not us.
--two words Marcus Banks
also what was Dantoni's record without nash

Unfortunately Steve Nash is NOT available. We have to accept that and get someone who is. i.e. Duhon. While Duhon is Not Steve Nash, he is a very good ball handler, young and he can get better.



[Edited by - markji on 07-04-2008 5:39 PM]
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7/4/2008  6:36 PM
This is only a OK-Good Signing only way it becomes Great - Excellent is if it is only half the mid-level and we can get a defensive big.
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7/4/2008  6:43 PM
Posted by Markji:
Posted by Ira:

1) He plays defense. Remember how you all said we have to get better defensively?
2) He distributes the ball.
3) He can hit open 3's.
4) He's not worried about how many shots he gets or his scoring average.
Ira, you are right on.

For 2 years comitment this is an excellent signing. We needed a point guard even if Marbury stays. We didnt draft one so we got the best PG available as an unrestricted FA. And the signing doesn't cut into our salary cap for 2010.

When D'Antoni signed on as coach Walsh made him some commitments to get him the players he needs. We are starting that process with Duhon. It takes a few years to rebuild a team. We can't do nothing now and just wait for 2010 and expect miracles then. We have to start now. And I applaud DW for getting the ball rolling.

Originally posted by BRIGGS:

[coach is the expert on pg play, not us.
--two words Marcus Banks
also what was Dantoni's record without nash

Unfortunately Steve Nash is NOT available. We have to accept that and get someone who is. i.e. Duhon. While Duhon is Not Steve Nash, he is a very good ball handler, young and he can get better.



[Edited by - markji on 07-04-2008 5:39 PM]

I dont understand your angle? If Duhon is signed for only two years--how does that get the ball rolling? You're expecting a deep playoff run and continuity with this deal which cost the Knicks 12mm per year? I really believe its simple--either you rebuild or you dont--this in the middle stuff doesnt do anything. When you say 2010 atleast there is HOPE ONLY if we can shed a good deal of salary but there is very reasonable hope and that hope is a plan. Getting another high draft pick is a plan. Getting rid of players is a plan. Overpaying back ups is bad business.
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7/4/2008  6:49 PM
This team needed a facilitator. They needed someone to help inflate the numbers of some of the players who we need to trade in the next 2 years. Duhon isn't that guy. He's nothing more than a mediocre backup.

This move is a total waste of time.
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7/4/2008  6:51 PM
Posted by DaMano718:

what is the issue here. We have a potentially good pg, under d;antoni, and if anything, this will make marbury compete his ass off this yr, to get his next contract with another team... for 3mm a yr, or 6.5 total, this makes absolute sence. Anything to get production out of marbury is worth a short, small contract like that. and second, if it doesnt motivate marbury, then duhon might be something special... if d'antoni thinks this kid can thrive in his system, then i am going to have to take my chances with this kid... coach is the expert on pg play, not us.

Also--lets just stay with facts---Marcus Banks the year before he came to Pheonix and when he left Pheonix--show me with fact how Dantoni made him better? Marcus Banks is the guy he wanted.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3716/career;_ylt=AmOh.fS9.XZI90dWo2vWSf2kvLYF

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7/4/2008  6:55 PM
I dont understand your angle? If Duhon is signed for only two years--how does that get the ball rolling? You're expecting a deep playoff run and continuity with this deal which cost the Knicks 12mm per year? I really believe its simple--either you rebuild or you dont--this in the middle stuff doesnt do anything. When you say 2010 atleast there is HOPE ONLY if we can shed a good deal of salary but there is very reasonable hope and that hope is a plan. Getting another high draft pick is a plan. Getting rid of players is a plan. Overpaying back ups is bad business.
I believe he is only making $5.8 million/yr , not $12million/yr
I dont think we should just tank for the next 2 years. We should try to be competitive; develop our young players; teach our veterans, if possible, how to play team ball. I am not for giving up, rolling over and playing dead.

D'Antoni has a great record as coach and is making $5 or $6 million/year. We have to get some players for him, but also, it is up to him to mold the present players into a team. He has to earn his money as well. So we give him some new parts (Gallinai and now Duhon) and see what he can do!
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7/4/2008  6:58 PM
Posted by TMS:

why would anyone bash a 2 year MLE signing for a guy w/a 4-1 assist to turnover ratio for his career? hell, if we'd have signed Marcus Williams to that deal some o'yall would be busting a nut like there's no tomorrow right about now.

I don't understand it either. He has some nice strengths and has a very small contract. It's a no lose situation. I think it's quite revealing that they made sure his contract didn't go into 2010/11. It's even more obvious they're trying to get under the cap by then because there are dozens of excellent free agents over a 2 year span. (We know Isiah or Layden would have given him a full five year MLE!)
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7/4/2008  7:02 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]
Posted by Ira:

1) He plays defense. Remember how you all said we have to get better defensively?
2) He distributes the ball.
3) He can hit open 3's.
4) He's not worried about how many shots he gets or his scoring average.


[
Lets also get real. He shot 38% last year and the Bulls almost released him--he's a part time PG who has seen his minutes steadily decline because of his own play. We paid a 2-3mm $? player twice his value*2 with the taxes[is chris duhon worth 12mm a year???] I dont get what we are doing? I really dont--I think if you want to tank and rebuild you do it. You want to get to get to FA in 2010--then you go full boat--this in the middle stuff will keep us flying mediocre--the ABSOLUTE worst place in sports--come on chris duhon is not a very good player--hes a marginal player--why did we need to pay chris duhon so much??? scott laydenism #1 dont pay back ups starter money

Most of his shots were 3s. His adjusted FG% was .465. That's nothing spectacular but it's not hurting his team either.
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