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TMS
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7/5/2008  8:12 PM
Posted by playa2:

Growing up in the states gives you a major advantage if you are good enough for the NBA.

Growing up in Europe will get you ready for european basketball, not the NBA.

Now if you are really good , you can adjust and make a name for yourself in the NBA, now that stern has chosen to make the league even softer .

if that's the case then it shouldn't even take 3 years of playing Euro ball to judge Jennings' upside, being as though he has such an advantage & all having grown up in the states... why then the double standard in judging Jennings as opposed to Gallinari is what i'm not getting, especially when Gallinari has already proven himself on the international stage.
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7/5/2008  8:45 PM
International players are just not getting overdrafted the way they did in the years post Dirk's breakout. All sports leagues to some extent are copycat leagues and lots of GM's fall prey to the theory of "we have to get one of these guys." Now I think we're seeing more savvy scouting, but you're still seeing some good players come into the league at roughly the same rate. It just that we haven't seen a true blue superstar in a couple of years- but heck, even with the draft being 95% American players we don't see true blue superstars coming out of every draft.
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7/5/2008  8:49 PM
Posted by playa2:

Solace get over me man, take the post for what it is and stop trying to read into what it isn't. Some of you guys want m,e to put on my "THEY HATE ME" jersey .

Playa, its pretty obvious man.........
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7/5/2008  8:52 PM
it's funny when you hear people harping about all the Euro busts of the past as if that means every player coming out of there are gonna end up to be busts themselves... you never seem to hear about all the busts that come out of NCAA ball when discussing other NCAA prospects.
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7/6/2008  12:01 AM
Gallo's upside kind of remind me a cross between Grant Hill from Det and some Dirk. I just want to see the dude play and see for myself. I will cheer for this guy to be a good Knick.
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7/6/2008  12:01 PM
Posted by TMS:

it's funny when you hear people harping about all the Euro busts of the past as if that means every player coming out of there are gonna end up to be busts themselves... you never seem to hear about all the busts that come out of NCAA ball when discussing other NCAA prospects.

Excuse me TMS , go read my thread on worst bust of all time. 98% are americans

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7/6/2008  12:03 PM
Posted by KNICKSdom:

Gallo's upside kind of remind me a cross between Grant Hill from Det and some Dirk. I just want to see the dude play and see for myself. I will cheer for this guy to be a good Knick.

Knicksdom you think he will be able to perform in the NBA like he did in Europe against mainly non-athletic players ?

In all the clips you have see in "the gall" the defense is so poor it makes the knicks look like a contender in the steel cage match.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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7/6/2008  12:19 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by KNICKSdom:

Gallo's upside kind of remind me a cross between Grant Hill from Det and some Dirk. I just want to see the dude play and see for myself. I will cheer for this guy to be a good Knick.

Knicksdom you think he will be able to perform in the NBA like he did in Europe against mainly non-athletic players ?

In all the clips you have see in "the gall" the defense is so poor it makes the knicks look like a contender in the steel cage match.
And the players in the NBA play so much D? There are only a few teams that actually defend in the entire league, so let's not make it out that there are all these great defenders in the league who are used to guarding guys at 6-10 who can shoot, drive and pass like Gallo.


Now of course the speed of the league will take some adjustment, but many others have been able to do that. Why can't Gallo? From my view he's more agile and faster than Bargnani and he was able to score. He drives more than Bargnani and he seems to be an overall better athlete. Plus he's got more heart and toughness.
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7/6/2008  1:29 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by KNICKSdom:

Gallo's upside kind of remind me a cross between Grant Hill from Det and some Dirk. I just want to see the dude play and see for myself. I will cheer for this guy to be a good Knick.

Knicksdom you think he will be able to perform in the NBA like he did in Europe against mainly non-athletic players ?

In all the clips you have see in "the gall" the defense is so poor it makes the knicks look like a contender in the steel cage match.
And the players in the NBA play so much D? There are only a few teams that actually defend in the entire league, so let's not make it out that there are all these great defenders in the league who are used to guarding guys at 6-10 who can shoot, drive and pass like Gallo.


Now of course the speed of the league will take some adjustment, but many others have been able to do that. Why can't Gallo? From my view he's more agile and faster than Bargnani and he was able to score. He drives more than Bargnani and he seems to be an overall better athlete. Plus he's got more heart and toughness.

Nixluva says it all. Gallo like any other rookie will need to adapt up to speed of the NBA game. This kid has the pg mentality. Never mind Bargnani, down the road he will be a solid player but Gallo might be better overall player.
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7/6/2008  6:22 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by KNICKSdom:

Gallo's upside kind of remind me a cross between Grant Hill from Det and some Dirk. I just want to see the dude play and see for myself. I will cheer for this guy to be a good Knick.

Knicksdom you think he will be able to perform in the NBA like he did in Europe against mainly non-athletic players ?

In all the clips you have see in "the gall" the defense is so poor it makes the knicks look like a contender in the steel cage match.



Now of course the speed of the league will take some adjustment, but many others have been able to do that. Why can't Gallo? From my view he's more agile and faster than Bargnani and he was able to score. He drives more than Bargnani and he seems to be an overall better athlete. Plus he's got more heart and toughness.

"THEGALL" drives to the basket in europe more than Barganni, who says he will be quick enough to drive to the basket in the NBA. These guys are the greatest athletes in the world.

The kid has skills I give him that, but I think his skills are geared to the non athetic Euro game , not the NBA.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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7/6/2008  6:33 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by KNICKSdom:

Gallo's upside kind of remind me a cross between Grant Hill from Det and some Dirk. I just want to see the dude play and see for myself. I will cheer for this guy to be a good Knick.

Knicksdom you think he will be able to perform in the NBA like he did in Europe against mainly non-athletic players ?

In all the clips you have see in "the gall" the defense is so poor it makes the knicks look like a contender in the steel cage match.



Now of course the speed of the league will take some adjustment, but many others have been able to do that. Why can't Gallo? From my view he's more agile and faster than Bargnani and he was able to score. He drives more than Bargnani and he seems to be an overall better athlete. Plus he's got more heart and toughness.

"THEGALL" drives to the basket in europe more than Barganni, who says he will be quick enough to drive to the basket in the NBA. These guys are the greatest athletes in the world.

The kid has skills I give him that, but I think his skills are geared to the non athetic Euro game , not the NBA.
Once again I bring up the great equalizer is his shot and handle. He is a threat to shoot at all times and that gives him an edge. Even if he doesn't get by his man, just being that he can pull up at any time and make a shot is a great skill to have. Very few guys his size can do that. Clearly he will face much stiffer defense in the NBA, but that goes for all rooks.

Just think about it he's the same height as Frye, but clearly has superior agility and handle. His post moves are more refined as well. He also has true 3pt range. I don't see him having a lot of disadvantages in being able to play on this level. Jumping means nothing and he get's up higher than Zach, so that shouldn't hold him back. The only issue anyone can really bring up is foot speed and I would say that he's as fast as MANY NBA players from what I can surmise.
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7/6/2008  6:57 PM
That article sucks, simply said earlier it's bias to a certain extent. No the Iternational player's don't play much "d" but niether does 75% of the nba, so what are they talking about. We recently didnt have one iternational player on our team yet we were one the worst f kg defensive teams in the league.

Every team usually has one to two solid defenders on there roster of 15. So is that not saying 2 out of every 15 players in the league can actually defend consistanly.

Gimme break...
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7/6/2008  7:04 PM
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JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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7/6/2008  8:53 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by TMS:

it's funny when you hear people harping about all the Euro busts of the past as if that means every player coming out of there are gonna end up to be busts themselves... you never seem to hear about all the busts that come out of NCAA ball when discussing other NCAA prospects.

Excuse me TMS , go read my thread on worst bust of all time. 98% are americans

exactly most busts are Americans & yet no one ever uses that as an excuse to judge other prospects from the NCAA... yet all u ever hear when you talk about Euro prospects are the busts like Skitishvili as if that has anything to do w/judging another prospect... i find that highly hypocritical.
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7/7/2008  5:25 AM
The fact of the matter is they play a different style of basketball in europe compared to the NBA. So to draft European teenager in the NBA draft should only happen be done if the kid has above average skills and athleticism.

European teenagers grow up learning how to play a finese euro game not american basketball.

If the criteria I mentioned above is not met , the avg euro player is more than likely be a bust.

That's why many come over to try the NBA well after many yrs of playing in europe and come in their mid to late 20's and do ok.
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