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McK1
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6/30/2008  2:46 PM
suns have been horrible in the draft for 5 years running. who cares what their top 10 looks like
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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6/30/2008  2:50 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Andrew:

I dont think Gallinari worked out for them.

Many players do not work out for teams. Also I think Gallinari went 1-0 in his 2 workouts

...and Randolph was incredibly disappointing in his workouts and dropped like a stone.

Briggs like to overlook that and also the fact he didn't stand out on a very bad team.
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6/30/2008  3:23 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Andrew:

I dont think Gallinari worked out for them.

Many players do not work out for teams. Also I think Gallinari went 1-0 in his 2 workouts

...and Randolph was incredibly disappointing in his workouts and dropped like a stone.
I thought it was reported he was very good in our workouts and the Nets, before he hurt his shoulder.
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6/30/2008  3:25 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Andrew:

I dont think Gallinari worked out for them.

Many players do not work out for teams. Also I think Gallinari went 1-0 in his 2 workouts

...and Randolph was incredibly disappointing in his workouts and dropped like a stone.
I thought it was reported he was very good in our workouts and the Nets, before he hurt his shoulder.

everything i read said that he was coasting, not trying hard.
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6/30/2008  3:40 PM
Gallinari wasn't passing Nets at #10
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6/30/2008  4:05 PM
Randolph did work out for the Knicks. Weird that they didn't pick him.
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6/30/2008  4:17 PM
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Andrew:

I dont think Gallinari worked out for them.

Many players do not work out for teams. Also I think Gallinari went 1-0 in his 2 workouts

...and Randolph was incredibly disappointing in his workouts and dropped like a stone.

Briggs like to overlook that and also the fact he didn't stand out on a very bad team.

forget BRIGGS--you are arguing the point with the hierarchy of the Suns and Golden State Warriors two teams who run similar styles who had Randolph ranked very high. You are arguing with Chris Mullin Don Nelson and Steve Kerr.
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6/30/2008  4:22 PM
also i think players drop and that is that--was darrell arthur a 27 pick or cdr a 40? you saw how fixated phoenix was on lopez because of fit to their team and said they were considering taking that foreign PG in the first round. You become fixated on a player--that is the guy you are taking

the knicks were taking gallinari 2 months ago after they did not get top 3 lottery

also it's easy to have fun workouts going against no one. i watched gilbert arenas make like 60+ 3 point shots out of 100 with one hand with no one on him.
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6/30/2008  4:27 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Andrew:

I dont think Gallinari worked out for them.

Many players do not work out for teams. Also I think Gallinari went 1-0 in his 2 workouts

...and Randolph was incredibly disappointing in his workouts and dropped like a stone.

Briggs like to overlook that and also the fact he didn't stand out on a very bad team.

forget BRIGGS--you are arguing the point with the hierarchy of the Suns and Golden State Warriors two teams who run similar styles who had Randolph ranked very high. You are arguing with Chris Mullin Don Nelson and Steve Kerr.

And you're arguing with Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni. Are they stupid? Their superior records seem to argue to the contrary.
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6/30/2008  4:31 PM
Briggs Randolph may be a player someday but by all account we've heard and read by people who are paid to scout players and what not, the most troubling thing about him is not his weight but his desire.
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6/30/2008  4:35 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Andrew:

I dont think Gallinari worked out for them.

Many players do not work out for teams. Also I think Gallinari went 1-0 in his 2 workouts

...and Randolph was incredibly disappointing in his workouts and dropped like a stone.

Briggs like to overlook that and also the fact he didn't stand out on a very bad team.

forget BRIGGS--you are arguing the point with the hierarchy of the Suns and Golden State Warriors two teams who run similar styles who had Randolph ranked very high. You are arguing with Chris Mullin Don Nelson and Steve Kerr.

And you're arguing with Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni. Are they stupid? Their superior records seem to argue to the contrary.

Why do people act like these guys are totally above reproach and infallible? It must be because of all of their championships.

Walsh was a total bust in Indiana for almost a decade before he hired Larry Brown and D'Antonio was 35-76 without Steve Nash, but now that they're together here they're supposed to be blindly trusted and anybody who disagrees with them should be ostricized.

Yeah, got it.
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6/30/2008  4:45 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Andrew:

I dont think Gallinari worked out for them.

Many players do not work out for teams. Also I think Gallinari went 1-0 in his 2 workouts

...and Randolph was incredibly disappointing in his workouts and dropped like a stone.

Briggs like to overlook that and also the fact he didn't stand out on a very bad team.

forget BRIGGS--you are arguing the point with the hierarchy of the Suns and Golden State Warriors two teams who run similar styles who had Randolph ranked very high. You are arguing with Chris Mullin Don Nelson and Steve Kerr.

And you're arguing with Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni. Are they stupid? Their superior records seem to argue to the contrary.

I never poo-pooed this pick BUT I think that he was taken too high for a player who does not have an elite athletic package @ 6-9 220 as a PF. I question the route we are taking here I question the organization's vision of winning basketball in the NBA.
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6/30/2008  4:47 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I never poo-pooed this pick BUT I think that he was taken too high for a player who does not have an elite athletic package @ 6-9 220 as a PF. I question the route we are taking here I question the organization's vision of winning basketball in the NBA.

outscore the opponents to win games. create excitement. sell tickets. get ratings. make money.

he will be a SF. no way will he be able to matchup against other PF's in the league.
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6/30/2008  4:50 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I never poo-pooed this pick BUT I think that he was taken too high for a player who does not have an elite athletic package @ 6-9 220 as a PF. I question the route we are taking here I question the organization's vision of winning basketball in the NBA.

outscore the opponents to win games. create excitement. sell tickets. get ratings. make money.

he will be a SF. no way will he be able to matchup against other PF's in the league.


Ok then we have drafted 4 SF in a row--then we shouldve taken Bayless
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6/30/2008  4:51 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I never poo-pooed this pick BUT I think that he was taken too high for a player who does not have an elite athletic package @ 6-9 220 as a PF. I question the route we are taking here I question the organization's vision of winning basketball in the NBA.

outscore the opponents to win games. create excitement. sell tickets. get ratings. make money.

he will be a SF. no way will he be able to matchup against other PF's in the league.


Most SF's have the lateral quickness to get in front of him on defense and to blow by him on offense.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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6/30/2008  4:54 PM
hey...the pick is a gamble. the organization chose to make it. but he will sell tickets, jerseys and create a buzz. same goes for d'antoni. it's obvious to see what the primary objectives are for walsh. but the fix could definitely be in...if ny does achieve it's cap space plan for 2010, some free agent will come here. it'll depend on how good that free agent(s) that will dictate how far the team can go in the postseason. they have realized that finding one of those franchise altering players via the draft is tough so they've gone the cap route. the next 2 years will be walsh removing 90% (if not all) of this current roster.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-30-2008 4:55 PM]
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6/30/2008  5:10 PM
I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

San Antonio's pick could have been bought. New Orleans' pick could have been bought. Seattle's #32 pick could have been bought. Minnesota's #34 pick could have been bought. So many missed opportunities to add assets for nothing. It's only going to get harder to trade some of these players. Lee's trade value is only going lower as he gets closer to free agency. Zach's trade value is only going lower as he continues to be Zach.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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6/30/2008  5:13 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

San Antonio's pick could have been bought. New Orleans' pick could have been bought. Seattle's #32 pick could have been bought. Minnesota's #34 pick could have been bought. So many missed opportunities to add assets for nothing. It's only going to get harder to trade some of these players. Lee's trade value is only going lower as he gets closer to free agency. Zach's trade value is only going lower as he continues to be Zach.

that's why i think alot of it will be a wait-it-out approach. if they just wait, they will be somewhere around $9 mil under w/o doing anything. make 1 simple trade between now and next season and they could be $20 mil under by making that 1 move alone. but this approach calls for a team that won't crack 35 wins for 2 years in a row.
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6/30/2008  5:16 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

San Antonio's pick could have been bought. New Orleans' pick could have been bought. Seattle's #32 pick could have been bought. Minnesota's #34 pick could have been bought. So many missed opportunities to add assets for nothing. It's only going to get harder to trade some of these players. Lee's trade value is only going lower as he gets closer to free agency. Zach's trade value is only going lower as he continues to be Zach.



Its not as easy as it seemed to acquire another pick. Mark Cuban said the asking price was very high in the upper second round and if Marc said it--then its believable. Chicago did pay 3 second round picks + 500K for pick 36==our pick that we gave away last year. To me thats cost prohibitive unless you thought someone was really really worth the price.
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6/30/2008  5:19 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:

I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

San Antonio's pick could have been bought. New Orleans' pick could have been bought. Seattle's #32 pick could have been bought. Minnesota's #34 pick could have been bought. So many missed opportunities to add assets for nothing. It's only going to get harder to trade some of these players. Lee's trade value is only going lower as he gets closer to free agency. Zach's trade value is only going lower as he continues to be Zach.

that's why i think alot of it will be a wait-it-out approach. if they just wait, they will be somewhere around $9 mil under w/o doing anything. make 1 simple trade between now and next season and they could be $20 mil under by making that 1 move alone. but this approach calls for a team that won't crack 35 wins for 2 years in a row.

1) I'm not so sure about them being a simple trade away from being $20M under the cap.

2) I don't think D'Antonio would be very happy with 35 wins for 2 years in a row because he's stuck with this roster, due to a wait-it-out approach.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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