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6/29/2008  6:23 PM
Posted by oohah:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

Andrew Bogut who was atleast three times the prospect averaged 20 points as a sophmore with 12 rebounds shooting 62%

Danillio with his stifflegs and positioing would not have averaged more than 6 rebounds and depending who he played for 14-17 points around 45% shooting

A better comparison in terms of game or skillset would be Troy Murphy, don't you think? In terms of size and skill they are comparable. They both like to play the perimeter and have similar athletic ability. I would say Murphy is a slightly better athlete, and Galinari has better ball-handling skills.

Since Galinari Shot over 40% from the longer 3 point range, he would have averaged quite a bit.

I think he would have been like Troy Murphy.

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I dont know if you watched Troy Murphy at all in the Big east--he was a pure post player who shot an occasional 3 pointer --and he had more height and weight But while you are on that subject that is one of my biggest negatives about this pick--I do not believe in a 4 who is a 3 pt shooter i believe 4s should be mid range to post.



Thanks for making my point with the link

Troy Murphy Sophmore year==danillo 19 same age

2pt FG makes 274 3pt makes 30

total makes 304 30 represents less than 10% of made shots He didnt even average 1 3 point make per game.

anything else?



[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-29-2008 6:38 PM]
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6/29/2008  6:23 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
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No he wasn't BPA at 6.

Then who was?

Answer the question.


Alexander, Gordon, Bayless, Augustin, Lopez. I guarantee all of these players play more minutes and put up better numbers than Spaghetti BL"O" 's next yr. I'd almost be willing to wager he won't even crack the 9 man rotation.
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6/29/2008  6:27 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
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Posted by Vmart:
Posted by TrueBlue:

No he wasn't BPA at 6.

Then who was?

Answer the question.


Alexander, Gordon, Bayless, Augustin, Lopez. I guarantee all of these players play more minutes and put up better numbers than Spaghetti BL"O" 's next yr. I'd almost be willing to wager he won't even crack the 9 man rotation.

Since when is the draft about getting the player who has the best rookie year. Frye had a better first year than Bynum, who would you want now?

But, go ahead and wager on a player you have never seen play a game.
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6/29/2008  6:27 PM
Gordon is a 6'3" 2-guard who shot 30%.

Augustin is a 5'11" point, Bayless another 6'3" 2-guard.

TB, are you going to argue Bayless is a 1 b/c I recall you disputing the fact that Derrick Rose was a point, please don't tell me you think Bayless runs an offense better than D-Rose.

Alexander's playing behind RJ, I think Galinari is going to get minutes who the hell else is going to get them?

Briggs why do you keep insisting that Gallo is a 4, from everything I see and read, he is a 3. Why do you keep saying he is a 4 (other than to perpetuate your argument that he won't be a good player)?
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6/29/2008  6:28 PM
Euro league comp is better then NCAA comp.

Gallo & the NCAA players who succeed or fail it won't be because of there competition or lack there of in Euro or NCAA. Its how they adapt to the NBA game. Chris Kaman played weak competition in college but still produces in the NBA.

Even if they played tougher or weaker competition it doesn't matter, what matters is how these guys are able to adapt to the speed and intensity of the NBA game, playing 82games instead of 30, taking 4-5 game road trips.

The intreging things about Gallinari are the things that many people take for granted. Heart, toughness, never backing down from a challenge, in fact rising to the occasion whenever he faces a challenge. Intangibles, leadership, good teammate. Those things aren't measured in points or rebounds.

We said we wanted the culture to change here. I think Gallinari might be one of the few players in this draft that could help us do so from the ton of articles I have read on him. There will be players that will produce more pts & more rebounds then him but there probably aren't going to be many that could help changing the losing, soft, selfish culture of the knicks. Gallinari might not ever be a good interior defender, but I don't think we will ever question his effort or heart. And he will take the challenge even if he fails. I then hope that those qualities become infectious.
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6/29/2008  6:29 PM
Bogut (playing in a bad team) averaged 9 ppg, 7 rpg, 2.3 apg and 0.8 bpg in his rookie season when he was 2 years older than what Gallinari will be this next season.
They dont play the same position but if he gets playing time I see Gallinari doing similar, if not better, numbers this next season.

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 30-06-2008 12:30 AM]
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6/29/2008  6:30 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:
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He would have been a monster scorer in NCAA ball.

Unsubstantiated. We have no idea what he would have been able to under college play rules and systematic play.
He can shoot and drive and go left and right. He would have gone off against kids his own age in college. He went off against men in Europe.



Uhhhhh players picked below him actually did these same things this past yr in college and actually put up crazy numbers. Why speculate on what he might have done but instead look at what some players actually did do?

You have no clue what he would have done in college as does anyone else.
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6/29/2008  6:31 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He would have been a monster scorer in NCAA ball.

Unsubstantiated. We have no idea what he would have been able to under college play rules and systematic play.

But you seem to know he's going to flop in the NBA?
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I dont know if you watched Troy Murphy at all in the Big east--he was a pure post player who shot an occasional 3 pointer --and he had more height and weight But while you are on that subject that is one of my biggest negatives about this pick--I do not believe in a 4 who is a 3 pt shooter i believe 4s should be mid range to post.

I know I wastched Murphy in the Big East, because you sure as hell didn't!

If you look here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murphtr01.html

You see that by Murphy's senior year, nearly 20% of his shots were from downtown, about 2.8 3 point shots per game. Also if you actually observed him play in college, you would have known that by his sophomore/junior year, Murphy was THE GUY on Notre dame, and who was isolated against his man on the perimeter to take him to school off the dribble, especially at the end of the clock.

"Pure post player", yeah, shooting 3 3 pointers a game and shooting another 5 15-18 footers!

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6/29/2008  6:32 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by TrueBlue:

No he wasn't BPA at 6.

Then who was?

Answer the question.


Alexander, Gordon, Bayless, Augustin, Lopez. I guarantee all of these players play more minutes and put up better numbers than Spaghetti BL"O" 's next yr. I'd almost be willing to wager he won't even crack the 9 man rotation.

Since when is the draft about getting the player who has the best rookie year. Frye had a better first year than Bynum, who would you want now?

But, go ahead and wager on a player you have never seen play a game.


BPA doesn't mean upside it means what player is most ready to contribute now and produce. Upside can always be a matter of perspective. Heck Jordan would turn out to be Howard or Bynum that doesn't mean Italian DRESSing has more or less upside than he does or any other project with tools.
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6/29/2008  6:34 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He would have been a monster scorer in NCAA ball.

Unsubstantiated. We have no idea what he would have been able to under college play rules and systematic play.

But you seem to know he's going to flop in the NBA?


Did I say he would flop? Show me a statement where I said the kid would Flop. I actually said the kid could turn out to be very good we just don't know but to try and translate his euro game to the NBA statistically or to make flat out bold statements "HE WAS BPA @ 6" is a trip over yourself statement.
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6/29/2008  6:37 PM
oohah, well done.

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6/29/2008  6:37 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:




Did I say he would flop? Show me a statement where I said the kid would Flop. I actually said the kid could turn out to be very good we just don't know but to try and translate his euro game to the NBA statistically or to make flat out bold statements "HE WAS BPA @ 6" is a trip over yourself statement.



there was no BPA at 6. when asked to name the BPA at 6, you posted like ten names. hey, i got news for you - name one pick. it's the draft, you get one pick. you don't get to say: Bayless, Gordon, Alexander, Randolph and hope one of them turns out better so you can say i told you so.

so, name your one guy and see if you've got the stones to be next gm of the knicks.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 29-06-2008 6:38 PM]
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6/29/2008  6:40 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

Gordon is a 6'3" 2-guard who shot 30%.

Augustin is a 5'11" point, Bayless another 6'3" 2-guard.

TB, are you going to argue Bayless is a 1 b/c I recall you disputing the fact that Derrick Rose was a point, please don't tell me you think Bayless runs an offense better than D-Rose.

Alexander's playing behind RJ, I think Galinari is going to get minutes who the hell else is going to get them?

Briggs why do you keep insisting that Gallo is a 4, from everything I see and read, he is a 3. Why do you keep saying he is a 4 (other than to perpetuate your argument that he won't be a good player)?

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Posted by crzymdups:
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Did I say he would flop? Show me a statement where I said the kid would Flop. I actually said the kid could turn out to be very good we just don't know but to try and translate his euro game to the NBA statistically or to make flat out bold statements "HE WAS BPA @ 6" is a trip over yourself statement.



there was no BPA at 6. when asked to name the BPA at 6, you posted like ten names. hey, i got news for you - name one pick. it's the draft, you get one pick. you don't get to say: Bayless, Gordon, Alexander, Randolph and hope one of them turns out better so you can say i told you so.

so, name your one guy and see if you've got the stones to be next gm of the knicks.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 29-06-2008 6:38 PM]


Yes I do get to name all those players if I feel with them on the board compared to Gallinari they would be BPA. I'll be kind to you and shoot low and say a player that has similar build and skillset in Alexander>Gall-Atari.
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Posted by oohah:
I dont know if you watched Troy Murphy at all in the Big east--he was a pure post player who shot an occasional 3 pointer --and he had more height and weight But while you are on that subject that is one of my biggest negatives about this pick--I do not believe in a 4 who is a 3 pt shooter i believe 4s should be mid range to post.

I know I wastched Murphy in the Big East, because you sure as hell didn't!

If you look here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murphtr01.html

You see that by Murphy's senior year, nearly 20% of his shots were from downtown, about 2.8 3 point shots per game. Also if you actually observed him play in college, you would have known that by his sophomore/junior year, Murphy was THE GUY on Notre dame, and who was isolated against his man on the perimeter to take him to school off the dribble, especially at the end of the clock.

"Pure post player", yeah, shooting 3 3 pointers a game and shooting another 5 15-18 footers!

oohah

Thanks for making my point with the link

Troy Murphy Sophmore year==danillo 19 same age

2pt FG makes 274 3pt makes 30

total makes 304 30 represents less than 10% of made shots He didnt even average 1 3 point make per game.

anything else?

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LOL if donte green averaged 18/gm in the big east last year i think gallo would have put up at least 18/gm. harangody put up 20 a game in the vaunted big east last year, harangody will not be a player in the NBA.

We will see how good Danillo is when he has to guard Carlos Boozer.

very true, and it will be fun to watch boozer have to chase this guy on the perimeter, boozer better have his shoes on tight. I saw this kid break the ankles of guys a lot smaller and quicker..
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by oohah:
I dont know if you watched Troy Murphy at all in the Big east--he was a pure post player who shot an occasional 3 pointer --and he had more height and weight But while you are on that subject that is one of my biggest negatives about this pick--I do not believe in a 4 who is a 3 pt shooter i believe 4s should be mid range to post.

I know I wastched Murphy in the Big East, because you sure as hell didn't!

If you look here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murphtr01.html

You see that by Murphy's senior year, nearly 20% of his shots were from downtown, about 2.8 3 point shots per game. Also if you actually observed him play in college, you would have known that by his sophomore/junior year, Murphy was THE GUY on Notre dame, and who was isolated against his man on the perimeter to take him to school off the dribble, especially at the end of the clock.

"Pure post player", yeah, shooting 3 3 pointers a game and shooting another 5 15-18 footers!

oohah

Thanks for making my point with the link

Troy Murphy Sophmore year==danillo 19 same age

2pt FG makes 274 3pt makes 30

total makes 304 30 represents less than 10% of made shots He didnt even average 1 3 point make per game.

anything else?

what percentage of Gallinari's shots were threes? you have no proof he'll camp on the perimeter with his ball handling ability. and frankly, he's got a better chance of surviving inside with his toughness than Anthony Randolph at 197lbs.

you put so much stock in Givony from draft express - he likes the Gallinari pick.
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6/29/2008  6:50 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by BigSm00th:

LOL if donte green averaged 18/gm in the big east last year i think gallo would have put up at least 18/gm. harangody put up 20 a game in the vaunted big east last year, harangody will not be a player in the NBA.

We will see how good Danillo is when he has to guard Carlos Boozer.

--->and it will be fun to watch boozer have to chase this guy on the perimeter

Are you talking about Derrick Rose or a slow 6-9 guy? Boozer is a better athlete
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Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by oohah:
I dont know if you watched Troy Murphy at all in the Big east--he was a pure post player who shot an occasional 3 pointer --and he had more height and weight But while you are on that subject that is one of my biggest negatives about this pick--I do not believe in a 4 who is a 3 pt shooter i believe 4s should be mid range to post.

I know I wastched Murphy in the Big East, because you sure as hell didn't!

If you look here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murphtr01.html

You see that by Murphy's senior year, nearly 20% of his shots were from downtown, about 2.8 3 point shots per game. Also if you actually observed him play in college, you would have known that by his sophomore/junior year, Murphy was THE GUY on Notre dame, and who was isolated against his man on the perimeter to take him to school off the dribble, especially at the end of the clock.

"Pure post player", yeah, shooting 3 3 pointers a game and shooting another 5 15-18 footers!

oohah

Thanks for making my point with the link

Troy Murphy Sophmore year==danillo 19 same age

2pt FG makes 274 3pt makes 30

total makes 304 30 represents less than 10% of made shots He didnt even average 1 3 point make per game.

anything else?

what percentage of Gallinari's shots were threes? you have no proof he'll camp on the perimeter with his ball handling ability. and frankly, he's got a better chance of surviving inside with his toughness than Anthony Randolph at 197lbs.

you put so much stock in Givony from draft express - he likes the Gallinari pick.

I think Givony tries hard I dont think he knows more about basketball than any other serious fan.
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