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6/27/2008  10:08 PM
those are Euroleague playoff MVPs. You said Euroleague isnt full of the Ginobili's of the world. It is. Thats where they play. Some good players there over the years no?

And Briggs? Why do you only count Galinari's 11 Euroleague games?

In 29 games Galinari 17.5 ppg, 46% FGs, 6.5 FTAs, 5.7 rebs, 2.0 steals... bigger body of work. Looks like pretty good numbers.

Also his PPG is good for 15th in the Euroleague and his FTAs are good for 5th in that league. Unlike the NBA and NCAA where stats are more important that league is about winning, and players are paid to produce wins, not great stats.
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6/27/2008  10:09 PM
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Who? Didn't Langdon light up the NCAA too, Mr. America? The 2 previous MVP's are Greeks that I know well. Diamantidis can come in right now and start for an NBA team. He's Tayshaun Prince. Papaloukas is the Greek Steve Nash. Most of these guys stay in Europe because they get more money and guaranteed playing time that they wont in the USA.

Although some of the lower level money is much more enticing because of the exchange rate ie 64/100 these players dont play in the NBA for one reason[well 98% of them]they arent good enough
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6/27/2008  10:10 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Who? Didn't Langdon light up the NCAA too, Mr. America? The 2 previous MVP's are Greeks that I know well. Diamantidis can come in right now and start for an NBA team. He's Tayshaun Prince. Papaloukas is the Greek Steve Nash. Most of these guys stay in Europe because they get more money and guaranteed playing time that they wont in the USA.
thank you.

Also the culture there is only about winning. Nobody cares about your PPG or stats. They care about wins only. The players over there are paid to win games, not have good scoring averages.

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6/27/2008  10:12 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

11 games 32 min per avg

pts per game 14.9 Rebounds 4.2 assists 1.7 Blocks 0.4 FIELD GOAL % 42% FT 78%


42% shooting and 4 rebounds with no block shots and only 31% 3pt shooting in 32 minutes from a 6-10 player in NON NBA action as in 4 levels down

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danilo-Gallinari-535/

Thats pretty compareable to Westbrooks stats.
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6/27/2008  10:15 PM
Posted by fishmike:

those are Euroleague playoff MVPs. You said Euroleague isnt full of the Ginobili's of the world. It is. Thats where they play. Some good players there over the years no?

And Briggs? Why do you only count Galinari's 11 Euroleague games?

In 29 games Galinari 17.5 ppg, 46% FGs, 6.5 FTAs, 5.7 rebs, 2.0 steals... bigger body of work. Looks like pretty good numbers.

Also his PPG is good for 15th in the Euroleague and his FTAs are good for 5th in that league. Unlike the NBA and NCAA where stats are more important that league is about winning, and players are paid to produce wins, not great stats.

Fishmike I have to stop at the Euro league--if we start counting Italy we have to start throwing in Turkey[mvp el amin] slovenia the diaper dandy ct rec league etc..-- I will give euro ball some props as a fouth level NBA gig but the buck stops there.
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6/27/2008  10:17 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Land of NBA rejects? The hell are you talking about? You have no clue about Euro ball. I watch it regularly and it has nothing to do with rejects. There is a reason Euro teams beat our teams (sometimes) and there is an even bigger reason the USA team was being outworked in the Olympics these last 4-5 years. Europe is not for rejects and slow Euro players.

Bargnani is your only example? What about Gasol, Biedrins, Peja, Dirk, and so many more I can't even think of?

Bargnani in Italy wasn't near the same player Gallinari is now. He simply isn't.

Bargnani's Italian tho.
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6/27/2008  10:17 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by BRIGGS:

11 games 32 min per avg

pts per game 14.9 Rebounds 4.2 assists 1.7 Blocks 0.4 FIELD GOAL % 42% FT 78%


42% shooting and 4 rebounds with no block shots and only 31% 3pt shooting in 32 minutes from a 6-10 player in NON NBA action as in 4 levels down

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danilo-Gallinari-535/

Thats pretty compareable to Westbrooks stats.

I didnt know Gallinari was defensive player of the yearin his league who gave OJ mayo fits of terror when opposite of him.
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6/27/2008  10:20 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

11 games 32 min per avg

pts per game 14.9 Rebounds 4.2 assists 1.7 Blocks 0.4 FIELD GOAL % 42% FT 78%


42% shooting and 4 rebounds with no block shots and only 31% 3pt shooting in 32 minutes from a 6-10 player in NON NBA action as in 4 levels down

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danilo-Gallinari-535/

OK. Any reason you fail to mention his stats in the Italian League the same year???

29 games played, 33.9 minutes a game
17.5 ppg, 46.2% FG, 85.6% FT, 40.5 % 3pt, 5.7 rpg, 1.3 asst, 2 spg, 1.8 TO per game

That's a very impressive stat line. Should we have taken Bayless at 6? Yes, we should've. But this kid Gallinari's a player and I'm not ashamed by this pick by any means...
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6/27/2008  10:24 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:

11 games 32 min per avg

pts per game 14.9 Rebounds 4.2 assists 1.7 Blocks 0.4 FIELD GOAL % 42% FT 78%


42% shooting and 4 rebounds with no block shots and only 31% 3pt shooting in 32 minutes from a 6-10 player in NON NBA action as in 4 levels down

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danilo-Gallinari-535/

OK. Any reason you fail to mention his stats in the Italian League the same year???

29 games played, 33.9 minutes a game
17.5 ppg, 46.2% FG, 85.6% FT, 40.5 % 3pt, 5.7 rpg, 1.3 asst, 2 spg, 1.8 TO per game

That's a very impressive stat line. Should we have taken Bayless at 6? Yes, we should've. But this kid Gallinari's a player and I'm not ashamed by this pick by any means...

You have to stop at the Euro league or else you have to bring in so many low level leagues that you are simply not getting a fair view. The Euro league is legit but its 5 levels below NBA basketball.

Im just keeping it real and staying with facts. This team has been bad a LONG time and the same people who were responsible for the 25 win seasons are still calling the shots
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6/27/2008  10:31 PM
Briggs, what are the leagues that separate the NBA from Euroleague by 4 levels?

The only ones I can think of are:

The NCAA (Simply not true, if you have to take into account all 300+ teamsthe totality. Better to look by conference. So I will settle for conferences.)
NBDL (Arguable)
CBA (Doubtful considering its current state)

I also see you citing the "Euro Bust Rate". I would love to see the real study of this bust rate. I don't think it is that bad at all. I think if a player can hang on in the NBA for 3-5 years he isn't a bust unless he was a high pick.

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6/27/2008  10:33 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by BRIGGS:

11 games 32 min per avg

pts per game 14.9 Rebounds 4.2 assists 1.7 Blocks 0.4 FIELD GOAL % 42% FT 78%


42% shooting and 4 rebounds with no block shots and only 31% 3pt shooting in 32 minutes from a 6-10 player in NON NBA action as in 4 levels down

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danilo-Gallinari-535/

Thats pretty compareable to Westbrooks stats.

I didnt know Gallinari was defensive player of the yearin his league who gave OJ mayo fits of terror when opposite of him.

Gallinari was just the Euro leagues rising star of the year.
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6/27/2008  10:33 PM
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Wow, now every team in the Italian League is stronger than the US Olympic Team.

It's insane the lengths that some people will go to.
chime in with something usefull Mr. lets trade Zach for Carmelo. Who was the BPA? You wanted a 6'2 shooting guard that chucked for 42% in CBB? Feel free to add to this anytime. I know thats a stretch for you


You got it Mr. Indiana should trade for Max Cap Space to help them rebuild. Because chucking for 42% in the Italian league is really impressive?
better yet.. just get Lebron right? Who was the BPA? Chime in anytime, as I know your more knowledgable than guys like Walsh and Colengelo

Again with LeBron. Did he just have a highly publicized meeting with Cavs management to address the trade rumors involving him, the way Melo did?

Besides, we later found out your problem with my trade proposal had nothing to do with that, but that you thought my trade proposal was short of what you thought it would take. But you're so utterly confused that you don't even know what you're arguing about at this point.
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6/27/2008  10:41 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

those are Euroleague playoff MVPs. You said Euroleague isnt full of the Ginobili's of the world. It is. Thats where they play. Some good players there over the years no?

And Briggs? Why do you only count Galinari's 11 Euroleague games?

In 29 games Galinari 17.5 ppg, 46% FGs, 6.5 FTAs, 5.7 rebs, 2.0 steals... bigger body of work. Looks like pretty good numbers.

Also his PPG is good for 15th in the Euroleague and his FTAs are good for 5th in that league. Unlike the NBA and NCAA where stats are more important that league is about winning, and players are paid to produce wins, not great stats.

Fishmike I have to stop at the Euro league--if we start counting Italy we have to start throwing in Turkey[mvp el amin] slovenia the diaper dandy ct rec league etc..-- I will give euro ball some props as a fouth level NBA gig but the buck stops there.
is the NCAA different? Half your sched is against doodoo. Loni Baxter was an unstoppable CBB player. So was Sean May. Thats just the way it goes. He dominated against the inferior comp.. thats good to see IMO

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6/27/2008  10:42 PM
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Wow, now every team in the Italian League is stronger than the US Olympic Team.

It's insane the lengths that some people will go to.
chime in with something usefull Mr. lets trade Zach for Carmelo. Who was the BPA? You wanted a 6'2 shooting guard that chucked for 42% in CBB? Feel free to add to this anytime. I know thats a stretch for you


You got it Mr. Indiana should trade for Max Cap Space to help them rebuild. Because chucking for 42% in the Italian league is really impressive?
better yet.. just get Lebron right? Who was the BPA? Chime in anytime, as I know your more knowledgable than guys like Walsh and Colengelo

Again with LeBron. Did he just have a highly publicized meeting with Cavs management to address the trade rumors involving him, the way Melo did?

Besides, we later found out your problem with my trade proposal had nothing to do with that, but that you thought my trade proposal was short of what you thought it would take. But you're so utterly confused that you don't even know what you're arguing about at this point.
I would quote you more but you never say anything :)

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6/27/2008  10:43 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Euroleague MVPs
1988 Bob McAdoo (Tracer Milano)
1989 Dino Rađa (Jugoplastika Split)
1990 Toni Kukoč (Jugoplastika Split)
1991 Toni Kukoč (Pop 84 Split)
1992 Predrag Danilović (Partizan)
1993 Toni Kukoč (Benetton)
1994 Žarko Paspalj (Olympiacos)
1995 Arvydas Sabonis (Real Madrid)
1996 Dominique Wilkins (Panathinaikos)
1997 David Rivers (Olympiacos)
1998 Zoran Savić (Kinder)
1999 Tyus Edney (Zalgiris)
2000 Željko Rebrača (Panathinaikos)
2001 Arriel McDonald (Maccabi) (FIBA Suproleague)
2001 Manu Ginóbili (Kinder) (ULEB Euroleague)
2002 Dejan Bodiroga (Panathinaikos)
2003 Dejan Bodiroga (Barcelona)
2004 Anthony Parker (Maccabi)
2005 Šarūnas Jasikevičius (Maccabi)
2006 Theodoros Papaloukas (CSKA)
2007 Dimitris Diamantidis (Panathinaikos)
2008 Trajan Langdon (CSKA)

Wasn't Trajan Langdon the kid from Duke who couldn't make it in the NBA? But he's tearing up the Euro League.
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6/27/2008  10:48 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:

Euroleague MVPs
1988 Bob McAdoo (Tracer Milano)
1989 Dino Rađa (Jugoplastika Split)
1990 Toni Kukoč (Jugoplastika Split)
1991 Toni Kukoč (Pop 84 Split)
1992 Predrag Danilović (Partizan)
1993 Toni Kukoč (Benetton)
1994 Žarko Paspalj (Olympiacos)
1995 Arvydas Sabonis (Real Madrid)
1996 Dominique Wilkins (Panathinaikos)
1997 David Rivers (Olympiacos)
1998 Zoran Savić (Kinder)
1999 Tyus Edney (Zalgiris)
2000 Željko Rebrača (Panathinaikos)
2001 Arriel McDonald (Maccabi) (FIBA Suproleague)
2001 Manu Ginóbili (Kinder) (ULEB Euroleague)
2002 Dejan Bodiroga (Panathinaikos)
2003 Dejan Bodiroga (Barcelona)
2004 Anthony Parker (Maccabi)
2005 Šarūnas Jasikevičius (Maccabi)
2006 Theodoros Papaloukas (CSKA)
2007 Dimitris Diamantidis (Panathinaikos)
2008 Trajan Langdon (CSKA)

Wasn't Trajan Langdon the kid from Duke who couldn't make it in the NBA? But he's tearing up the Euro League.

isles, we're not comparing the NBA w/the Euro Leagues... this is a comparison of the Euro Leagues w/the NCAA... Langdon was a very good player in college but never made it in the NBA & is now averaging 12.6 pts in the Euro Leagues... that's not exactly tearing it up over there by any stretch.
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6/27/2008  10:48 PM
isles, the point isn't that Euroball is better than the NBA. The point is that Euroball is better than the NCAA.
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6/27/2008  10:49 PM
Posted by fishmike:
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those are Euroleague playoff MVPs. You said Euroleague isnt full of the Ginobili's of the world. It is. Thats where they play. Some good players there over the years no?

And Briggs? Why do you only count Galinari's 11 Euroleague games?

In 29 games Galinari 17.5 ppg, 46% FGs, 6.5 FTAs, 5.7 rebs, 2.0 steals... bigger body of work. Looks like pretty good numbers.

Also his PPG is good for 15th in the Euroleague and his FTAs are good for 5th in that league. Unlike the NBA and NCAA where stats are more important that league is about winning, and players are paid to produce wins, not great stats.

Fishmike I have to stop at the Euro league--if we start counting Italy we have to start throwing in Turkey[mvp el amin] slovenia the diaper dandy ct rec league etc..-- I will give euro ball some props as a fouth level NBA gig but the buck stops there.
is the NCAA different? Half your sched is against doodoo. Loni Baxter was an unstoppable CBB player. So was Sean May. Thats just the way it goes. He dominated against the inferior comp.. thats good to see IMO

We don't need to go furture than Mike Sweetney.

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6/27/2008  10:52 PM
Thats weird that Draftexpress has his fg% at 42.

On NBADRAFT.NET if you click on Euroleague profile they have his fg% at 48%. 36/75 in 11 games.

The have his game log.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=KRD
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6/27/2008  10:55 PM
We don't need to go furture than Mike Sweetney.

Lots of post-2000 Big east Players of the Year, and Big East First Team players are playing in Euroleagues or struggling to make the NBA:

Troy Bell, Pitsnoggle, The center and PG from Pitt (Can't remember their names right now.), abdul-shamsid-dean, John Wallace, etc. And Marcus Williams soon will be a Euro-star!

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