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Pharzeone
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6/27/2008  8:40 PM
Posted by BigC:
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Just because Isiah said the kid can play that does not mean he told the Knicks to draft Gallinari over other picks. Also we all know that D'Antoni was the one that had the final say because he is the one that is:

1. Coaching the the team
2: Best friends with Gallinari's dad

Just because someone said that TV does not mean something happened that way behind closed doors. Do you really think the Knicks would have gone after Gallinari with the number 6th pick if D'Antoni was not the coach?

Mike D said no on MSG said he went with the scouting reports.



[Edited by - BigC on 06-27-2008 8:11 PM]

I believe that a president was hired a month and a half ago. A coach was hired about a month ago. The president has a relationship with employee, you guys are crazy not to think he wouldn't pick his mind. Like TMS said it is still Walsh's call. Many people believe that Walsh wants nothing to do with Thomas and his input. I disagree.
I think all three are working together, however I do think Mike D'Antoni had major influence in this pick. Not to say that is a bad thing because if you want something to work everyone has to be on the same page. Isiah's role was probably to back up what D'Antoni was saying all along.

For a guy that D'Antoni reportly was not high on before he arrived, to convincing Walsh the pick has to be DG is hard to believe. Who knows.
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6/27/2008  8:41 PM
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Furthermore, Isiah would have taken Eric Gordon.

he would have taken Randolph: skinny, run and jump guy who can't play.

Just saw Don Nelson, who was smoking cigars with his coaches and they had big smiles. I popped over and just asked him if he got his guy with Anthony Randolph. “That’s the guy I wanted,” Nelson said


"We feel he has star quality," Mullin said. "We were sitting there kind of amazed he was still there. The way he plays, his length, he can handle the ball. He's a 6-10 player (who) over time, can probably go up and down, 2, 3, and 4 (shooting guard, small forward and power forward). He can be a real nightmare-mismatch type of guy."



That is a pretty big ednorsement from Don Nelson[the guy who drafted dirk] and chris mullin who drafted gilbert arenas monta ellis andris Biendrins et al. Those endorsements are coming from superior talent evaluators to anyone associated with the Knicks. How many all stars has Kevin Wilson helped produce for the Knicks? Actually we havent had an all star in 10+ years and we have averaged 32 wins per season over the last 7 years.
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6/27/2008  8:44 PM
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I am hoping for Hinrich and I also like Felton. I really want Isiah gone but at least there is a buffer that can control his tremendous ego and mindless moves.

i would love either of those guys... i really like Hinrich cuz he's got some size at PG & can play some defense... Felton is quick & might be a better fit for an uptempo style... i wouldn't even mind trading for Barbosa even tho he's not a classic PG as long as we can get Lopez in the deal (assuming we'd be giving up D Lee in the package)... regardless, i think there's still some attractive options available to us & it's not the end of the world that we didn't draft a PG at #6.
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6/27/2008  8:46 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by PhilinLA:
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Furthermore, Isiah would have taken Eric Gordon.

he would have taken Randolph: skinny, run and jump guy who can't play.

Just saw Don Nelson, who was smoking cigars with his coaches and they had big smiles. I popped over and just asked him if he got his guy with Anthony Randolph. “That’s the guy I wanted,” Nelson said


"We feel he has star quality," Mullin said. "We were sitting there kind of amazed he was still there. The way he plays, his length, he can handle the ball. He's a 6-10 player (who) over time, can probably go up and down, 2, 3, and 4 (shooting guard, small forward and power forward). He can be a real nightmare-mismatch type of guy."



That is a pretty big ednorsement from Don Nelson[the guy who drafted dirk] and chris mullin who drafted gilbert arenas monta ellis andris Biendrins et al. Those endorsements are coming from superior talent evaluators to anyone associated with the Knicks. How many all stars has Kevin Wilson helped produce for the Knicks? Actually we havent had an all star in 10+ years and we have averaged 32 wins per season over the last 7 years.
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6/27/2008  8:51 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by PhilinLA:
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Furthermore, Isiah would have taken Eric Gordon.

he would have taken Randolph: skinny, run and jump guy who can't play.

Just saw Don Nelson, who was smoking cigars with his coaches and they had big smiles. I popped over and just asked him if he got his guy with Anthony Randolph. “That’s the guy I wanted,” Nelson said


"We feel he has star quality," Mullin said. "We were sitting there kind of amazed he was still there. The way he plays, his length, he can handle the ball. He's a 6-10 player (who) over time, can probably go up and down, 2, 3, and 4 (shooting guard, small forward and power forward). He can be a real nightmare-mismatch type of guy."



That is a pretty big ednorsement from Don Nelson[the guy who drafted dirk] and chris mullin who drafted gilbert arenas monta ellis andris Biendrins et al. Those endorsements are coming from superior talent evaluators to anyone associated with the Knicks. How many all stars has Kevin Wilson helped produce for the Knicks? Actually we havent had an all star in 10+ years and we have averaged 32 wins per season over the last 7 years.

Lampe and Vranes had to be all-stars somewhere. I know Vujanic had to be on selected on a ballot with a name with that. It stands out.
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6/27/2008  8:55 PM
Posted by TMS:
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I am hoping for Hinrich and I also like Felton. I really want Isiah gone but at least there is a buffer that can control his tremendous ego and mindless moves.

i would love either of those guys... i really like Hinrich cuz he's got some size at PG & can play some defense... Felton is quick & might be a better fit for an uptempo style... i wouldn't even mind trading for Barbosa even tho he's not a classic PG as long as we can get Lopez in the deal (assuming we'd be giving up D Lee in the package)... regardless, i think there's still some attractive options available to us & it's not the end of the world that we didn't draft a PG at #6.

Would start him next to Crawford though? Shots will be raining from everywhere. DG, Zack and whoever will be just watching the ball go up in the air.
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6/27/2008  8:56 PM
Walsh is here to fix this team and build a contender and I believe he will have a more solid plan for doing that than we've had in 10 yrs. It seems silly to me for there to be so much complaint about the pick. We all saw the picks 1-5 and there wasn't much left on the board. DG was a solid pick and should be a good piece to the puzzle here.

Isiah was acting as a scout and people want to make something of that? Scouts are minions, not final decision makers. If the 1st 5 picks go differently we likely end up with a different guy, so there's no conspiracy here.
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6/27/2008  9:06 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
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I am hoping for Hinrich and I also like Felton. I really want Isiah gone but at least there is a buffer that can control his tremendous ego and mindless moves.

i would love either of those guys... i really like Hinrich cuz he's got some size at PG & can play some defense... Felton is quick & might be a better fit for an uptempo style... i wouldn't even mind trading for Barbosa even tho he's not a classic PG as long as we can get Lopez in the deal (assuming we'd be giving up D Lee in the package)... regardless, i think there's still some attractive options available to us & it's not the end of the world that we didn't draft a PG at #6.

Would start him next to Crawford though? Shots will be raining from everywhere. DG, Zack and whoever will be just watching the ball go up in the air.

D'Antoni's entire system is predicated on every guy's ability to shoot the ball & run the floor... u put Barbosa w/Craw in the backcourt, both guys who can dribble & bring the ball upcourt, & have guys like Nate (in small sets), Q Rich, Gallinari & to a lesser extent Chandler on the wings, all of whom can shoot the ball to some extent, & you have guys that can fit that type of game... Balk & D Lee would fit in a different way, helping to start the breaks w/their rebounding ability & outlet passes & also finishing nicely on the fastbreaks as well.

i think Zach is a horrible fit, he slows down the offense terribly & doesn't like to run the floor... same thing w/Curry, tho we're going to have to deal w/1 of those guys on this roster & if i have to choose i'm taking Curry only because of the more manageable contract & the fact that he's not a cancer in the lockerroom.
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6/27/2008  9:07 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Walsh is here to fix this team and build a contender and I believe he will have a more solid plan for doing that than we've had in 10 yrs. It seems silly to me for there to be so much complaint about the pick. We all saw the picks 1-5 and there wasn't much left on the board. DG was a solid pick and should be a good piece to the puzzle here.

Isiah was acting as a scout and people want to make something of that? Scouts are minions, not final decision makers. If the 1st 5 picks go differently we likely end up with a different guy, so there's no conspiracy here.

dude, if Isiah was hired to sell popcorn in the concessions stand people would still be complaining about it.
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6/27/2008  9:08 PM
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D'Antoni wanted a guard. It was widely reported that he did not want to pick Gallinari. I think he accepted Walsh's decision and put a good spin on it. Walsh was hired to fix the franchise but he also was chosen because he would not fire Isiah and would allow him to still have a role in the organization. Isiah does have a role. I think he had alot to do with the D'Antoni hire also. Dolan is a big Isiah guy. Isiah has his ear. I think Isiah still has a prominent role in the organization he is just behind the scenes. What I am worried about is when Walsh becomes semi retired and his boys Mike and Isiah take over the family business.

Think about it. You really feel Mike D'Antoni wanted a guard and Walsh turned him down to listen to Isiah?

Also if there is one person that is known to love guards it's Isiah. We are suppose to believe that:

1.Isiah who never has drafted a European player picked Gallinari.
2. Isiah picks a forward over guards that look like Isiah type players at the same time we know he was looking for a Marbury replacement.
3. D'Antoni did want to pick a player from Europe that fist his style of offense and is a son of one of his close friends?

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6/27/2008  9:11 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

Walsh is here to fix this team and build a contender and I believe he will have a more solid plan for doing that than we've had in 10 yrs. It seems silly to me for there to be so much complaint about the pick. We all saw the picks 1-5 and there wasn't much left on the board. DG was a solid pick and should be a good piece to the puzzle here.

Isiah was acting as a scout and people want to make something of that? Scouts are minions, not final decision makers. If the 1st 5 picks go differently we likely end up with a different guy, so there's no conspiracy here.

dude, if Isiah was hired to sell popcorn in the concessions stand people would still be complaining about it.

I just hope LB is not still in control of Isiah's mind.

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6/27/2008  9:14 PM
just make sure that's really melted butter he's putting in your popcorn.
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6/27/2008  9:15 PM
It's funny listening to people completely dismiss the now confirmed fact that Isiah still has a voice within the organization.

Are some people still that naive to think that Isiah doesn't have Dolan's ear? Walsh's too.
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6/27/2008  9:19 PM
we ain't dismissin it bro... just don't see why it's such a big deal... Walsh is a proven man in this industry & smart enough to make his own decisions... if he asked Isiah for an opinion on a prospect so what? bottomline this is Walsh's pick, not Isiah's.
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6/27/2008  10:17 PM
Posted by TMS:

Isiah's role was to scout internationally & give his feedback... that's what he did... what the hell is the problem here? in the end this is Walsh's pick, not Isiah's, & that's how we're going to judge it... the GM has the final call on who they want to pick... i love how everyone is so damn quick to criticize any & every single move this franchise makes unless it meets EXACTLY to what they have planned out as if they're so much more qualified to make these types of decisions than the ones actually making them... it's freakin' comical is what it is.

My sentiments exactly. I'm going to sig this. We already knew Isiah was sent overseas to scout. He scouted and gave his report as he was told. End of story. Walsh and the rest of the staff can take the notes Isiah turned in, along with the other 20 or so scouts who turned in reports (remember, you guys already mentioned that the scouting staff that was already in place was already scouting him.) If anything, the scouting department, not one trip and a couple of games that Isiah may have watched, convinced the Knicks to draft him. Not mention the work out he had for Walsh and D'Antoni in westchester while Isiah was not present.

You guys need to come off the ledge and stop overreacting to everything.
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6/27/2008  10:31 PM
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I just hope LB is not still in control of Isiah's mind.

Best line of the day!

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6/27/2008  10:44 PM
The problem with Isiah being mentioned with the Knicks is that he is a disgrace. His regime was totally unprofessional. He was convicted of sexual harrassment and is on tape making racist comments. He was incompetent in his job but his huge ego prevented him from ever admitting a mistake. He destroyed the knicks as a class organization. Layden was not a good gm but the guys he brought in all had high character. I was thrilled to see him go but what Isiah did to the Knicks organization on and off the court is unforgiveable. He has no business having any involvement in any decision regarding the Knicks.
The fact that he has role shows what a dumb bunny owner we have and that Walsh does not have total control. There is another voice in Dolan's ear. It is a stupid, arrogant, unprofessional, incompetent voice and it destroyed the franchise on and off the court. Until the Knicks organization divorces itself from Isiah it will be hard not to look at every questionable move and wonder was it that dumb @ss who made the team that I am passionate about a laughingstock and irrelevant for years to come who recommended it. Why is his he still here?
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6/27/2008  10:50 PM
It just shows that he has a contract. So rather than fire him and eat the contract, they decided to put him in a far away place in which he could be useful.
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6/27/2008  10:52 PM
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The problem with Isiah being mentioned with the Knicks is that he is a disgrace. His regime was totally unprofessional. He was convicted of sexual harrassment and is on tape making racist comments. He was incompetent in his job but his huge ego prevented him from ever admitting a mistake. He destroyed the knicks as a class organization. Layden was not a good gm but the guys he brought in all had high character. I was thrilled to see him go but what Isiah did to the Knicks organization on and off the court is unforgiveable. He has no business having any involvement in any decision regarding the Knicks.
The fact that he has role shows what a dumb bunny owner we have and that Walsh does not have total control. There is another voice in Dolan's ear. It is a stupid, arrogant, unprofessional, incompetent voice and it destroyed the franchise on and off the court. Until the Knicks organization divorces itself from Isiah it will be hard not to look at every questionable move and wonder was it that dumb @ss who made the team that I am passionate about a laughingstock and irrelevant for years to come who recommended it. Why is his he still here?

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6/27/2008  11:44 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

The problem with Isiah being mentioned with the Knicks is that he is a disgrace. His regime was totally unprofessional. He was convicted of sexual harrassment and is on tape making racist comments. He was incompetent in his job but his huge ego prevented him from ever admitting a mistake. He destroyed the knicks as a class organization. Layden was not a good gm but the guys he brought in all had high character. I was thrilled to see him go but what Isiah did to the Knicks organization on and off the court is unforgiveable. He has no business having any involvement in any decision regarding the Knicks.
The fact that he has role shows what a dumb bunny owner we have and that Walsh does not have total control. There is another voice in Dolan's ear. It is a stupid, arrogant, unprofessional, incompetent voice and it destroyed the franchise on and off the court. Until the Knicks organization divorces itself from Isiah it will be hard not to look at every questionable move and wonder was it that dumb @ss who made the team that I am passionate about a laughingstock and irrelevant for years to come who recommended it. Why is his he still here?

It's like Hitler having input in developing the Marshall Plan after WWII.
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