Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by PhilinLA:

No, in that case, Randolph, the weak kid who doesn't know how to play would have been the pick, instead of free falling all the way down to the middle of the round.

in all due respect----you are the same guy who said bynum would be a major bust and Frye was going to be an all star--you say the same positive things that a member of the actual organization would say right around this time of year?? but you're batting below the mendoza line just like the Knicks. I think chris mullin has you trumped by a tad and with your batting average I wouldnt want to eat my own words again??

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-27-2008 3:45 PM]

Bynum finally started playing well and got hurt. I hope he comes back. I don't think he would have developed as a Knick over the last few years. No one else did, Frye included. btw, I may be the guy who thought Frye was gonna be a star with the Knicks, but I think you're the guy who has never watched a college basketball game and are very possibly flat out nuts.

Andersen is Austin Croshere if he's lucky.

Posted by VDesai:

Andersen is Austin Croshere if he's lucky.

that begs the question would he have been taken #12 if he were Australian.

Posted by PhilinLA:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by PhilinLA:

No, in that case, Randolph, the weak kid who doesn't know how to play would have been the pick, instead of free falling all the way down to the middle of the round.

in all due respect----you are the same guy who said bynum would be a major bust and Frye was going to be an all star--you say the same positive things that a member of the actual organization would say right around this time of year?? but you're batting below the mendoza line just like the Knicks. I think chris mullin has you trumped by a tad and with your batting average I wouldnt want to eat my own words again??

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-27-2008 3:45 PM]

Bynum finally started playing well and got hurt. I hope he comes back. I don't think he would have developed as a Knick over the last few years. No one else did, Frye included. btw, I may be the guy who thought Frye was gonna be a star with the Knicks, but I think you're the guy who has never watched a college basketball game and are very possibly flat out nuts.

only 150 or so a year.

Posted by PhilinLA:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by PhilinLA:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by PhilinLA:

No, in that case, Randolph, the weak kid who doesn't know how to play would have been the pick, instead of free falling all the way down to the middle of the round.

in all due respect----you are the same guy who said bynum would be a major bust and Frye was going to be an all star--you say the same positive things that a member of the actual organization would say right around this time of year?? but you're batting below the mendoza line just like the Knicks. I think chris mullin has you trumped by a tad and with your batting average I wouldnt want to eat my own words again??

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-27-2008 3:45 PM]

Bynum finally started playing well and got hurt. I hope he comes back. I don't think he would have developed as a Knick over the last few years. No one else did, Frye included. btw, I may be the guy who thought Frye was gonna be a star with the Knicks, but I think you're the guy who has never watched a college basketball game and are very possibly flat out nuts.

only 150 or so a year.

Then you must realize what a liability Randolph is with the ball in his hands. He's a turnover machine and a huge bust risk.

I question whether you have ever seen this player. Tell me who was the PG on LSU--answer--well no one unless you consider garrett temple a PG . How many coaches did they have answer--two bad ones--who was the leading scorer--marcus thorton[future euro star] a guy who set the table for me first play hog ball which hurt the team and everyone on it--athletic shot blocker chris johnson--future nba talent --the team Randolph played on was in more disarray than the Knicks. But if you really watched Randolph and looked past some negatives--this was a tough kid who dominated at times on the boards with tremendous length and was also what I would call a disruptive defender --either popping pout at a guard defending 1-1 or help d. Ive seen Randolph rip a board off the board and bring back up court as fast as any guard and finish with either a nice pass pull up jumper or drive. He's got a beautiful long first step which he uses to go around defnders of all sizes to get to the rim or pull up with a very nice mid range game. But realistically he was not in the best position to play at his best with what was going on with the team--yet still played very well and went through the pre draft workouts with a hurt shoulder--is that enough or would you like to call Don Nelson for more?

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-27-2008 9:45 PM]

Posted by PhilinLA:

Call Rod Thorn and see who he tried to trade up for, instead.

The history of the lottery is riddled with long athletic kids who we more projection than production, and Randolph is one in that long line. He's more an athlete than a basketball player and with a premium lottery pick, you have to get someone who knows how to play.

agreed... the last thing i would have wanted to see is the Knicks using a high draft pick on another Jonathan Bender & us having to wait 5 years before we even knew if he'd be any good... not saying Randolph woulda been another Bender but i don't think we need any project players at this point... we need guys who we know at least possess the skills that will work in the system that we're going to run, & Gallinari definitely seems to fit the bill there.

Posted by 30andOverClub:

Sorry to bump this, but I don't come on all that often. Just as a point of reference against competition that actually got drafted into the NBA: in the 5 games against Stanford and UCLA last year, he averaged 14.8 points, 8.4 rebounds, and shot at a 36.8% clip.

What were Gallinari's numbers against competition that actually got drafted in the top 10 this year?

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by PhilinLA:

Call Rod Thorn and see who he tried to trade up for, instead.

The history of the lottery is riddled with long athletic kids who we more projection than production, and Randolph is one in that long line. He's more an athlete than a basketball player and with a premium lottery pick, you have to get someone who knows how to play.

Thats why we pick the Channing frye's and not the Josh Smiths of the NBA. Thats why we sck

"kid knows how to play basketball stuff" This kid is light years from someone like Magic Johnson--he's as speculative as they come and he doesnt bring an elite athletic package. This kid could easily be Boston Nachbar and you know it--don't make him out to be what he isnt---BOTTOM line 14-4 42% euro league--what would magic or karl malone do in thos eleagues at 20 years old? its not like this kid is 20-10 55%. Look at the write up on Bargnani. I guess he better average 25 points in the SL since the SL is inferior to the euro league and its up and down easy to score--Demetris Nichols averaged 17--so this kid should be 25-10 the way you talk. Well see soon enough--pressure is on. Lets see what happens when Richard Hendrix takes him in the low block as a 4 this summer. Im sure the Knicks will try to *hide him right away.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-28-2008 12:50 AM]

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-28-2008 12:52 AM]

Briggs you can't make these guys believe man. They got their wish ... a hope on a rope who they think is dope.

If this guy had any chance of being all-that, teams ahead of us would have taken him Period!

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by 30andOverClub:

Sorry to bump this, but I don't come on all that often. Just as a point of reference against competition that actually got drafted into the NBA: in the 5 games against Stanford and UCLA last year, he averaged 14.8 points, 8.4 rebounds, and shot at a 36.8% clip.

Do you honestly and I mean honestly believe that Danilo Gallinari would have had superior numbers to Andersen if they were swapped? 21 and 10 with off the charts efg and nearly a 90% FT shooter?

Briggs, derrick rose was not drafted for his numbers, I am sure I can find plenty of PG's that had better numbers.. Gallanari was drafted for his size and skillset, his ability to pass which some are very high on, his shooting ability and ability to handle the ball and the fact that he is just a slick scorer who can score in many ways.. Ryan anderson is a spot up 6'9 shooter, that is IT!! but keep on with these ridiculous comments and comparisons, some people in here respected you draft analysis, myself included, I even defended you when those guys on realgm ripped you apart, when you flip floped from Javel Mcgee to anthony randolp, to arnold from different strokes.. You are all over the place briggs and really you have gone to a level that is not only ridiculous but almost unbearable, as I said, I respected your opinions, but you have definately taken yourself down a few notches, not that it may matter to you anyway....

You don't have to like gallinari, but to deny that this kid has the skill and size to be special is a joke... No one is saying he will be a star, but outside of mayo, beasley and rose, we wanted someone who had the ability to one day be a special player, walsh thinks and feels strongly that this kid has the goods, and he is doing it on a pro level( although not the nba) already at 19. that is a lot more than some of these brick shooting, FT missing in the clutch, no jumper having, no passing, chucking, 40 in veritcal leap, college kids can say......

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by PhilinLA:

Call Rod Thorn and see who he tried to trade up for, instead.

The history of the lottery is riddled with long athletic kids who we more projection than production, and Randolph is one in that long line. He's more an athlete than a basketball player and with a premium lottery pick, you have to get someone who knows how to play.

Thats why we pick the Channing frye's and not the Josh Smiths of the NBA. Thats why we sck
"kid knows how to play basketball stuff" This kid is light years from someone like Magic Johnson--he's as speculative as they come and he doesnt bring an elite athletic package. This kid could easily be Boston Nachbar and you know it--don't make him out to be what he isnt---BOTTOM line 14-4 42% euro league--what would magic or karl malone do in thos eleagues at 20 years old? its not like this kid is 20-10 55%. Look at the write up on Bargnani. I guess he better average 25 points in the SL since the SL is inferior to the euro league and its up and down easy to score--Demetris Nichols averaged 17--so this kid should be 25-10 the way you talk. Well see soon enough--pressure is on. Lets see what happens when Richard Hendrix takes him in the low block as a 4 this summer. Im sure the Knicks will try to *hide him right away.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-28-2008 12:50 AM]

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-28-2008 12:52 AM]

yea, and the hawks have been a model of excellence since josh smith has arrived, right?

BTW: Isiah drafted frye.... come on briggs. you are going to catch a cramp reaching that far...