Posted by Bippity10:

We can't wheel and deal because we have very little that other teams want. As fans, we are simply going to have to be patient. We have had 7 straight years of pis-s poor management. We are now suffering the consequences and will not be able to turn it around over night. There will be good moves and bad moves. But bottom line is you will have to be patient, and suck it up because there is no other alternative.

Posted by eViL:

Isles, you're "thing" here is getting predictable. When Thorn took Marcus Williams you were all over it. Before then, you weren't looking at Marcus Williams as a guy the Knicks should target. But when they passed him and the Nets got him -- you championed the move like you called it, as if you were high on Marcus before it became part of your anti-Knicks motif. The truth is, you get a kick out of agitating Knicks fans on this forum so you take the best route to doing that. You throw pot shots at the Knicks while heralding the Nets brilliance every chance you get.

I didn't hear you calling for Yi. If anything, DJ brought up going for Yi a few times. He gets credit for putting the idea out there before it became reality. Not much credit (haha), but at least he was discussing it. Now you are acting like this is a move you would have done all along. The truth is, this is just another great chance for you to really annoy people.

We don't know much about you. You are clear you want Isiah gone. You are clear that you still think Isiah is running things. It is also clear that as long as you perceive Isiah as running the show, you will have a negative reaction to everything the Knicks do. You look at a vid of DG and you see all the negatives, none of the positives. When in reality, things are way more nuanced then that.

But nuanced discussion of basketball isn't your thing. That's for some other posters here (not including me). We know you think defense wins championships and that Mike D'Antoni teaches his players not to play defense, but that's about it. You are more about agitating people. I find you pretty hilarious because it can be fun to watch someone on a message board push people's buttons with precision accuracy (though I personally don't like doing it). Sometimes (lately), the shtick gets a little worn down. But I do, sincerely, find you entertaining so I'd hate to see you go.

I'm sure you won't stay in this slump. It's just that lately there has been a resurgence of cautious positivity. It is working slightly against you. But there are bound to be bigger pitfalls for the Knicks along the way, through the offseason, into the regular season, where the aura of negativity will return and you will be back as the champ who called it right. Although the only calls you make are vague and always involve the Knicks failing. As long as you are funny and fresh you'll be back on top.

I think the Knicks expect to be bad next year. I wouldn't be surprised if they have another top pick. It is going to be tough to stomach because the same people that want to see us rebuild are the same people that are being impatient right now. Everybody loves Danny Ainge today -- well how long did he have to make it work? And was he loved until this year?

I don't even remember what the point of this post was, but it is too long not to post... I guess I just wanted to say was: Toughen up, isles. Martin's comment was barely as harsh as some of the things you like to hurl at people (morons, idiots, retards). Whenever you are the agitator during a point where positivity is winning people are going to snap back at you. You better hope the Knicks don't have some type of miracle next year (it will take a miracle) -- you'll be getting KILLED.

Thank you,

eViL, a paradox -- a cautiously optimistic Knicks fan & an Islesfan fan

PS: If anyone read this long-ass, pointless post -- BUY MY CD!!!

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bippity10:

We can't wheel and deal because we have very little that other teams want. As fans, we are simply going to have to be patient. We have had 7 straight years of pis-s poor management. We are now suffering the consequences and will not be able to turn it around over night. There will be good moves and bad moves. But bottom line is you will have to be patient, and suck it up because there is no other alternative.

That's why it was imperative for Walsh to add other assets when they were available for nothing but cash considerations. But he failed miserably as other teams took advantage of these golden opportunities.

Posted by islesfan:

Ah eViL, my prodigal friend. Need I remind you of the "resurgence of cautious positivity" after Isiah was hired and traded for Marbury? It was I that was the voice of reason. I withstood the harsh criticism and name calling until eventually people started to see the Light. I'm not going to concern myself with the pot shots levied at me by non believers. All I can do is speak the truth, fight the good fight and hope to educate.

Posted by eViL:

Posted by islesfan:

Ah eViL, my prodigal friend. Need I remind you of the "resurgence of cautious positivity" after Isiah was hired and traded for Marbury? It was I that was the voice of reason. I withstood the harsh criticism and name calling until eventually people started to see the Light. I'm not going to concern myself with the pot shots levied at me by non believers. All I can do is speak the truth, fight the good fight and hope to educate.

I didn't forget. It's just that I'm a sucker for the Knicks. I'm not dumb. I know they have sucked. I see a lot of teams improving. I would rather have NJ's roster and management. But I am still a Knicks fan and I can't find pleasure in NJ's triumphs.

By adding DW and MD, they have earned my patience and that's it. They have not earned my praise and you best believe they have not earned my money. Honestly, they really shouldn't even be getting this much attention from me right now, but the draft is always a big time of year so here I am posting more often than I normally do.

One things for sure, no matter what the result of all these moves are, we'll have a hearty laugh over this conversation in a few years when both of us see how this turns out. No offense, but I hope you are dead wrong about the new regime.

Posted by eViL:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by eViL:

I didn't hear you calling for Yi. If anything, DJ brought up going for Yi a few times. He gets credit for putting the idea out there before it became reality. Not much credit (haha), but at least he was discussing it.

wrong bro... i brought up the idea over a month ago... stop stealing my thunder.

& i did read through that entire long ass pointless post, if that makes u feel better.

Well then there you go. I knew DJ couldn't think of anything that was good and plausible. Good call on the Yi move. We didn't get him, but he was available and you were targeting him. You don't get enough credit, TMS. I don't know why I didn't remember that was you (maybe it's because I'm a Mets fan and I know what TMS stands for -- haha). Hey, at least there is a sticky thread at the top of the forum reprimanding you -- HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Seriously though good call.