Posted by JayNYC:

Posted by McK1:

why take Bayless or Gordon when you have Crawful? like Randolph and Curry its likely he has little trade value due to his contract.

Why take Danilo as a PF when you have Zach Randolph or David Lee? The same logic applies here!

It's simple why you take those guys.. because they are PTP'ers.. we know that they are good. We need a facelift in our backcourt, Walsh has said that he selected Danilo because he doesn't know what type of contribution either of those two players would have given.. YET he selected Gallinari? Is that justified? They masquerade the true answer to that question by saying oh we've been watching Danilo for a year. Pure Fodder! You go with what you Know! Dick Vitale said it best yesterday, and Jay Bilas was on point as well when they questioned this selection. This is a mystery pick, we don't need to base our NYK future on an unknown.

Don't get me wrong, I ain't knocking Danilo.. because I don't know what he can do on the court. Everything is pure speculation when attempting to critique his game. By all accounts, scouts have cited that he plays no D, and what was also a little less than to be desired was Danilo's request to workout alone. Just a shooting drill, no physical contact against other players. He didn't want to decrease his chances of being selected. That is kind of suspect in my opinion. Quite Soft! Yet, This our PF.

I'll admit his highlights look superb.. but usually most highlights are impressive wouldn't you agree? Bottomline is, As a Knick Fan I hope that Danilo is nice like Dirk or Detlef. That being said, hope is the operative word in that statement. We wouldn't guess on what we'd be getting with Gordon or Bayless.

[Edited by - JayNYC on 06-27-2008 10:10 AM]

Lee is trade bait and there has been no definitive word about Zach's role either.

Walsh has stated he likes Crawford which makes Gordon redundant. IMO Bayless' ceiling as a playmaker may be Tyron Lue.

i don't know Dani either and was really unenthused by the pick. However, I don't believe passing on Bayless and Gordon will haunt NY.

[Edited by - McK1 on 27-06-2008 10:24 AM]

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by martin:

Posted by TrueBlue:

He didn't do well. He drafted an unknown project who has very much the capability to be worse than Andrea Bargnani. He should have been able to get another pick and make a trade that supports the 2010 movement. He was pretty much inactive.

He gets a D from me. D=Dumb, D=Dolt, D=Ditz, D=Doofus

you can say that about every pick.

I can confidently say there are at least 5 players who will have a better pro career than Danilo picked after him. There were players picked after him who weren't projects, who will have without a shadow of a doubt a very solid pro career. If for nothing else the guy doesn't completely understand the American game which puts him at a disadvantage. Of course he could be a fast learner, adjust well, and be a good player but in terms of projects with upside I wouldn't have picked Danilo higher than any other player. Plus he doesn't satisfy any of immediate needs.

We always try and rationalize our picks being better than are. Lee was nice but even then not nice enough of a pick to keep. All the rest of our picks haven't lived up to anything the past 5-7yrs.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-27-2008 10:08 AM]

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by martin:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by martin:

Posted by TrueBlue:

He didn't do well. He drafted an unknown project who has very much the capability to be worse than Andrea Bargnani. He should have been able to get another pick and make a trade that supports the 2010 movement. He was pretty much inactive.

He gets a D from me. D=Dumb, D=Dolt, D=Ditz, D=Doofus

you can say that about every pick.

I can confidently say there are at least 5 players who will have a better pro career than Danilo picked after him. There were players picked after him who weren't projects, who will have without a shadow of a doubt a very solid pro career. If for nothing else the guy doesn't completely understand the American game which puts him at a disadvantage. Of course he could be a fast learner, adjust well, and be a good player but in terms of projects with upside I wouldn't have picked Danilo higher than any other player. Plus he doesn't satisfy any of immediate needs.

We always try and rationalize our picks being better than are. Lee was nice but even then not nice enough of a pick to keep. All the rest of our picks haven't lived up to anything the past 5-7yrs.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-27-2008 10:08 AM]

who are your 5 players?

I guess Walsh and D'Antoni were trying to pick the BPA with the most upside. By your rationale, you would not have picked Dirk and perhaps Kobe either.

Danilo isn't being compared to Dirk and there was no project in this draft comparable to Kobe. I said I would have been willing to choose a player with upside(if we absolutely weren't trading the pick) who fulfilled our needs like Jordan(C)(defensive center who can man the paint block shots and has incredible athletic ability) or even DJ(PG) natural pure point guard player considering his supposed height risks(although some might not consider him a project). So I fail to see where you're going brining up Kobe an Dirk. Does Jordan stand the chance to be a Bust he sure does but he also could Dwight. Does DJ stand the chance to be a Bust sure he does but he also could a close Steve Nash. I'm not sure who they're being compared to right now but I haven't heard Danilo being mentioned in the same breath as Dirk. Let's roll with this example both Dirk ad Kobe were picked in different drafts so obviously out of their drafts I'd have picked Dirk as a project over say Peja Stojakovic or Zydrunas Illguaskas and picked Dirk over say Nesterovic or Ricky Davis. In essence IMO we reached for a player in the mold of Peja/Turkeyglue talent. Both ok players(take or leave them) can be good when you have the pieces around them.

You still haven't named the 5 players you would have picked at 6 instead of Danilo. I hope your joking saying that Jordan has as much if not more potential than Danilo. Jordan is an unskilled athlete. No way do I take him at 6.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by martin:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by martin:

Posted by TrueBlue:

He didn't do well. He drafted an unknown project who has very much the capability to be worse than Andrea Bargnani. He should have been able to get another pick and make a trade that supports the 2010 movement. He was pretty much inactive.

He gets a D from me. D=Dumb, D=Dolt, D=Ditz, D=Doofus

you can say that about every pick.

I can confidently say there are at least 5 players who will have a better pro career than Danilo picked after him. There were players picked after him who weren't projects, who will have without a shadow of a doubt a very solid pro career. If for nothing else the guy doesn't completely understand the American game which puts him at a disadvantage. Of course he could be a fast learner, adjust well, and be a good player but in terms of projects with upside I wouldn't have picked Danilo higher than any other player. Plus he doesn't satisfy any of immediate needs.

We always try and rationalize our picks being better than are. Lee was nice but even then not nice enough of a pick to keep. All the rest of our picks haven't lived up to anything the past 5-7yrs.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-27-2008 10:08 AM]

who are your 5 players?

I guess Walsh and D'Antoni were trying to pick the BPA with the most upside. By your rationale, you would not have picked Dirk and perhaps Kobe either.

Danilo isn't being compared to Dirk and there was no project in this draft comparable to Kobe. I said I would have been willing to choose a player with upside(if we absolutely weren't trading the pick) who fulfilled our needs like Jordan(C)(defensive center who can man the paint block shots and has incredible athletic ability) or even DJ(PG) natural pure point guard player considering his supposed height risks(although some might not consider him a project). So I fail to see where you're going brining up Kobe an Dirk. Does Jordan stand the chance to be a Bust he sure does but he also could Dwight. Does DJ stand the chance to be a Bust sure he does but he also could a close Steve Nash. I'm not sure who they're being compared to right now but I haven't heard Danilo being mentioned in the same breath as Dirk. Let's roll with this example both Dirk ad Kobe were picked in different drafts so obviously out of their drafts I'd have picked Dirk as a project over say Peja Stojakovic or Zydrunas Illguaskas and picked Dirk over say Nesterovic or Ricky Davis. In essence IMO we reached for a player in the mold of Peja/Turkeyglue talent. Both ok players(take or leave them) can be good when you have the pieces around them.

You still haven't named the 5 players you would have picked at 6 instead of Danilo. I hope your joking saying that Jordan has as much if not more potential than Danilo. Jordan is an unskilled athlete. No way do I take him at 6.

I think Jordan and Danilo 3yrs from now will be comparable players except Jordan stands the chance to have a greater impact Than Danilo becase of his size and tools he brings to the game.

Players over Danilo

Joe Alexander
Dj Augustin
Eric Gordon
Bayless
Lee
Rush
CDR