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6/25/2008  1:06 AM
Not really crazy about this pick. I would take Randolph + Alexander long term over Galinari.

IMHO when Randolph is done growing and fills out to 220-225 and he is nealry 7 feet--we will see what he is compared to this guy. I don't like people comparing him to Dirk because he's not that type of player.
we'll come back and say hey Gallinari is a good player maybe a Boston Nachbar plus but we blew it on several different players but the Knicks always blow it at the draft sans a couple of good late one's

This will pan out dissapointing both short and long term in totality if he is a pick or one of the picks.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-25-2008 01:09 AM]
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6/25/2008  1:09 AM
i don't like him as a player. i don't think there's any way the knicks take him though.
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6/25/2008  1:18 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

i don't like him as a player. i don't think there's any way the knicks take him though.

I think they will--look at his tapes--it's austin croshere with a sprinkle of boston nachbar. We will be dropping the proverbial ball in a big time way. If we want to take a project take Randolph or Deandre Jordan for goodness sakes. Upside is WAY higher than this kid--look at his legs stiff only fair athletsicm---did not rebound well in a league that is 10 times below the NBA. That is why very meicore NBA players dominate those leagues. Too Bad they didnt get him over here to go 1-1 with an Alexander so Joe wouldve knocked him on his arse with a few facial dunks. The vomit is rising.
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6/25/2008  1:27 AM
stiff legs in basketball are the exact opposite of an alexanders or a David lee's who project so well in the nba--they have an explosive vertical leap and a good second bounce while a player like gallinari is stuck on the floor. this is really risky at 6 really stupid with all of these tier one athletes that are available. dirk nowitski look a LOT more athletic in his pre draft tapes than this kid and he is a legit 7-0 tall which makes a huge difference. This kid is a 3-4--with a best case scenario of hedo turkoglu and its taken hedo 10 years in the nba to get to the level he is at now. dont do it.
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6/25/2008  2:18 AM
In many ways, Gallinari would be a good fit for the Knicks. Heady player, knows his spots, can shoot the ball, but thinks like a Euro (ie - he moves the ball around and moves w/o the ball). At SF, he'd provide height and a whole lot of polished skill.

The issue of course is that we just drafted two players who fill the SF position in consecutive drafts in Balkman & Chandler; it would be odd if we gave up on them. Of course, you could really say that the Knicks are actually quite deep - 2 or 3 deep at each position and have just had a bad coach for the past few seasons.

People (fans) are acting like that there are like 14 future all-stars in this draft, or at the very least, there are at least 3 or 4 borderline all-stars that will be available after the 6th pick.


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6/25/2008  2:30 AM
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Posted by technomaster:

In many ways, Gallinari would be a good fit for the Knicks. Heady player, knows his spots, can shoot the ball, but thinks like a Euro (ie - he moves the ball around and moves w/o the ball). At SF, he'd provide height and a whole lot of polished skill.

The issue of course is that we just drafted two players who fill the SF position in consecutive drafts in Balkman & Chandler; it would be odd if we gave up on them. Of course, you could really say that the Knicks are actually quite deep - 2 or 3 deep at each position and have just had a bad coach for the past few seasons.

People (fans) are acting like that there are like 14 future all-stars in this draft, or at the very least, there are at least 3 or 4 borderline all-stars that will be available after the 6th pick.



If i wanted something similar I could offer Boston Nachbar the LLE and pick Joe Alexander. I think there will be MANY better players than Gallinari and you can come back in 3-4 years and quote me on that one.

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6/25/2008  2:48 AM
Gallinari may be good but there is no way this guy can play defense in this league. So you are basically drafting another one-way player. I think our team needs to build around two-way guys like the Pistons did. We have guys like Crawford and Curry who can score. We need solid defensive players who have enough offense to meld into a solid team. Westbrook would be my pick.
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6/25/2008  5:03 AM
from Chad Ford's latest update on Insider:
THE KNICKS

The skinny: OK, we've come full circle.

We had Danilo Gallinari going to the Knicks in our first mock draft, but dropped him when a Suns source said that Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni wasn't a big fan. Apparently Gallinari's workout, combined with some research, has changed that opinion. Gallinari has worked out well everywhere and it sounds like the Knicks are comfortable with him here.

Russell Westbrook is also a strong possibility if he is on the board. Ditto for Jerryd Bayless. Joe Alexander is the dark horse -- the Knicks' brass watched him work out for a second time on Friday.
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6/25/2008  6:09 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BlacKat:

In Mike D's system, all he needs to do is rebound, good handles and a jumper. He has that, now will he work in any NBA teams system ?? NO ! But we are talking Mike's system. Isles, i'm thinking Dirk / Nocioni / AB just at 19yrs old and a better skill set then they did at 19.

There's no way he's anything close to Dirk. He's not a hardnosed player like Nocioni. Who is AB?

Why do you say he's not a hard nosed player? I thought his reputation in Europe is that he is a hard nosed player. He's not as strong as Dirk and will have to play the 3, but according to the write-ups, he's very hard nosed. Take a look at this Jan 29 write-up in draftexpress.com.


Roundup: Gallinari Dominates

by: Luis Fernández - Director of International Scouting
January 29, 2008
Player of the Week: Danilo Gallinari

It’s becoming increasingly usual to see Danilo Gallinari producing almost at will regardless of who he goes up against. His skill repertoire, knowledge of the game and physical gifts propose a devastating equation that hardly anybody can consistently contest. Just consider that he’s living in the 20+ point mark for the last five games now, combining both the Euroleague and the Italian Lega. The run includes last week’s defeat against the Israeli powerhouse Maccabi Elite Tel Aviv, where Gallinari carried his team’s offensive load with 27 points, 4 rebounds and 3 steals, and the comfortable victory over Scavolini Spar Pesaro, that only required him to spend 26 minutes on court, but was still enough to come up with 20 points and 6 rebounds.

We could watch his Euroleague outing against Maccabi, a fantastic offensive show for him. He was the clear-cut go-to guy for his team, the one responsible for keeping them alive for much of the game, but unfortunately he didn’t emerge as clutch as he often does. Anyway, again his superb slashing ability was responsible of much of the damage he caused on his opponents, both in the form of layups/dunks and forced fouls that sent him to the stripe multiple times.

However, other stuff deserves attention too. Gallinari is a well-known solid shooter. Indeed he made a living off his perimeter stroke during his first year of serious veteran competition (in the Italian second division). In this game, it was interesting to see him creating his own shot in a pure face-up one-on-one setting, using a fake and a dribble to release a successful long-range bomb, but also from the low post with a turnaround jumper, cashing in off his size. He can be pretty quick displaying his mechanics, and he shows a great sense of timing to execute every move while always evaluating his match-up’s reaction. Indeed, he often makes opponents bite on his fakes, forcing many fouls in the process or just paving his way to the basket. That’s logically helped become the dual-threat that he is his with shooting and slashing abilities.

His body control also chimes in there. It’s funny, because at first sight you might get the feeling that his big body might somehow escape his control. But the reality couldn’t be further, as his body perfectly follows his orders. For example, 6-10 guys (his likely size in shoes) running at full speed in transition tend to bump into opponents that step in their way to the basket, but Danilo has no trouble slashing by them, being able to easily change directions on the run. He actually delivered a spectacular coast-to-coast play that included a behind-the-back direction change he executed with his left hand between two opponents at almost full speed. If not the quickest and most reactive guy around, he is pretty fast when he starts moving, which looks obvious when he plays transition ball. His incredibly long strides help a great deal here as well. Just to emphasize that point, he got to the free throw line an astounding 17 times against Teramo last week.

Every game is a door open to amazement. He’s so skilled and fundamentally sound that remarkable plays are bound to happen on a regular basis.

Now, does that write-up make you think more of Nachbar or Nowitzki?
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6/25/2008  7:51 AM
he's done well again competition thats > CBB imo

They have seen enough tape to get a feel for his skills and type of game he has. The workouts will show if he's an NBA athlete. After that I trust in Walsh. still like Alexander
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6/25/2008  10:04 AM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BlacKat:

In Mike D's system, all he needs to do is rebound, good handles and a jumper. He has that, now will he work in any NBA teams system ?? NO ! But we are talking Mike's system. Isles, i'm thinking Dirk / Nocioni / AB just at 19yrs old and a better skill set then they did at 19.

There's no way he's anything close to Dirk. He's not a hardnosed player like Nocioni. Who is AB?

Why do you say he's not a hard nosed player? I thought his reputation in Europe is that he is a hard nosed player. He's not as strong as Dirk and will have to play the 3, but according to the write-ups, he's very hard nosed. Take a look at this Jan 29 write-up in draftexpress.com.


Roundup: Gallinari Dominates

by: Luis Fernández - Director of International Scouting
January 29, 2008
Player of the Week: Danilo Gallinari

It’s becoming increasingly usual to see Danilo Gallinari producing almost at will regardless of who he goes up against. His skill repertoire, knowledge of the game and physical gifts propose a devastating equation that hardly anybody can consistently contest. Just consider that he’s living in the 20+ point mark for the last five games now, combining both the Euroleague and the Italian Lega. The run includes last week’s defeat against the Israeli powerhouse Maccabi Elite Tel Aviv, where Gallinari carried his team’s offensive load with 27 points, 4 rebounds and 3 steals, and the comfortable victory over Scavolini Spar Pesaro, that only required him to spend 26 minutes on court, but was still enough to come up with 20 points and 6 rebounds.

We could watch his Euroleague outing against Maccabi, a fantastic offensive show for him. He was the clear-cut go-to guy for his team, the one responsible for keeping them alive for much of the game, but unfortunately he didn’t emerge as clutch as he often does. Anyway, again his superb slashing ability was responsible of much of the damage he caused on his opponents, both in the form of layups/dunks and forced fouls that sent him to the stripe multiple times.

However, other stuff deserves attention too. Gallinari is a well-known solid shooter. Indeed he made a living off his perimeter stroke during his first year of serious veteran competition (in the Italian second division). In this game, it was interesting to see him creating his own shot in a pure face-up one-on-one setting, using a fake and a dribble to release a successful long-range bomb, but also from the low post with a turnaround jumper, cashing in off his size. He can be pretty quick displaying his mechanics, and he shows a great sense of timing to execute every move while always evaluating his match-up’s reaction. Indeed, he often makes opponents bite on his fakes, forcing many fouls in the process or just paving his way to the basket. That’s logically helped become the dual-threat that he is his with shooting and slashing abilities.

His body control also chimes in there. It’s funny, because at first sight you might get the feeling that his big body might somehow escape his control. But the reality couldn’t be further, as his body perfectly follows his orders. For example, 6-10 guys (his likely size in shoes) running at full speed in transition tend to bump into opponents that step in their way to the basket, but Danilo has no trouble slashing by them, being able to easily change directions on the run. He actually delivered a spectacular coast-to-coast play that included a behind-the-back direction change he executed with his left hand between two opponents at almost full speed. If not the quickest and most reactive guy around, he is pretty fast when he starts moving, which looks obvious when he plays transition ball. His incredibly long strides help a great deal here as well. Just to emphasize that point, he got to the free throw line an astounding 17 times against Teramo last week.

Every game is a door open to amazement. He’s so skilled and fundamentally sound that remarkable plays are bound to happen on a regular basis.

Now, does that write-up make you think more of Nachbar or Nowitzki?

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6/25/2008  5:18 PM
Posted by fishmike:

he's done well again competition thats > CBB imo

They have seen enough tape to get a feel for his skills and type of game he has. The workouts will show if he's an NBA athlete. After that I trust in Walsh. still like Alexander

i agree w/all that... according to the latest from Insider i just posted it seems he's had some good workouts w/teams & his stock is back on the rise... whoever Walsh picks gets the benefit of the doubt w/me... i'm pretty sure he knows a lot more about evaluating NBA talent than anyone on this forum pretends to know.
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6/25/2008  5:20 PM
^I'll give you that with Galinarri. Fine. However, it will take A LOT of convincing to prove me that Gordon will be the right pick if we get him. That will suck.
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6/26/2008  8:16 PM
I told you !!!! Now watch him blow up !!
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6/26/2008  8:57 PM
Blak Kat hits the nail on the head...

"It's THE SYSTEM stupid."

Teams that have demonstrated success draft players that fit the system they want to employ, not just "talent."

That being said, Galinari is a talent that isn't worth crap either, from what I understand.

Hahaha...

Dick Vitale exposing himself as ignorant, but assumes that his ignorance means he's right because he knows other players he likes.

Milicic vs. Anthony is ONE argument. There are plenty of others that can go the other way.
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6/26/2008  9:05 PM
danilo is going to be an all-star ... i'm on board.
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6/26/2008  9:46 PM
Great pick.
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6/26/2008  9:50 PM
Matt (Chicago): Danilo how does it feel to leave one country to move to another?

Danilo Gallinari: You move from the most beautiful city in Italy and come to NEw York, the best city in the USA. You go from the best to the best.

Jon (New York): i look forward to see what you can do for the Knicks. How will you help the team?

Danilo Gallinari: My goal is to play hard. Give all my heart to play, my effort. Help the team to win any way I can. This is my goal. Play hard, that's it.

Nathan (41051 independence ky@): Danilo, how do you think you'll fit in in new york and d'antoni?

Danilo Gallinari: I didn't have any problem in my career with any coaches. Anything they ask, I will do. I will do whatever coach says to me. That's it.

Gary (Phoenix): Gallinari, how will you live without delicious Italian dishes?

Danilo Gallinari: I think there are a few restaurants in New York. I think I will find those.

Tim (New York): How do you feel about going to the worst team in basketball

Danilo Gallinari: I think we can build something together. I want to help this city win the games and grow up into something that will be positive.
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Justin (Stamford, CT): Danilo, Are you mature enough and ready to contribute right now?

Danilo Gallinari: I don't know. I'm so curious to know. And how I will be a player here. I want to do this experience and working out as I always have my life, I think I can be a good player.

Danilo Gallinari: Let's go Knicks! Let's go together. Let's go Italy!
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6/26/2008  9:55 PM
Posted by eViL:

Gary (Phoenix): Gallinari, how will you live without delicious Italian dishes?

Danilo Gallinari: I think there are a few restaurants in New York. I think I will find those.

just keep him away from Sparks' steakhouse when isles is around & he'll be fine.
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