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knicksbabyyeah
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6/23/2008  11:07 AM
lol,

Well again depending on where you land but yeah, he could go clubbing and drink since he's over 18 yrs old and as a result get laid

Just read the short article quote (CBS) on hoopshype rumors which mentioned him earning 800k and a million in endorsements. I do not see that happening. He'll be very lucky to receive 800k, he'd be lucky to receive half that since he'll essentially be a rental for one year who will need a lot of work. Endorsements would again be an investment of nike or adidas for when he returns to the states as Europeans don't get that much in endorsements.

Salaries are usually net though, so after taxes. That combined with next to none living expanses and that's a pretty sweet deal.

He should sign with an agent as soon as he doesn't go to college, to find out which international teams are interested. Might be wise to not be the only american on the roster to ease the transition and to make sure the agent has a buyout for the 2nd yr in the contract equal to the max amount buyout NBA teams are allowed to offer.
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6/23/2008  12:15 PM
Posted by Nalod:


Looks like the kid might not be able to pass the test so he needs options.

Development league is an option! So why don't kids do this more often?

NOt that much money, and he'll get beat on by older players? Might he get squashed internationally? What if he starts slow and gets benched? could his value drop? What is he gets hurt playing in Turkey? That would hurt his value also? Will he get a multil year deal? Would he have to buy out his deal?

Its one thing is he had college as a viable option then he has LEVERAGE. Without it he can't dictate his terms.

I guess when the next Lebron comes thru high school and has choices we'll see the tru test. A player in Europe can make more in his rookie years than in the NBA. That is what will stress the system. A guy goes overseas and does not want to come back for the rookie scale.


Haters are coming out of the woodwork now. LOL

Sonny Vaccaro said It's one of the smartest things I've heard. It's a viable thing.

So why did so many criticise it on it. Sonny has more knowledge about highschool basketball potential than all of us put together.

Bottom line this is a business, if american corporations are sending jobs overseas, our youth will have to do the same just to create more revenue for themselves.

It's the american way!
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6/23/2008  12:18 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Nalod:


Looks like the kid might not be able to pass the test so he needs options.

Development league is an option! So why don't kids do this more often?

NOt that much money, and he'll get beat on by older players? Might he get squashed internationally? What if he starts slow and gets benched? could his value drop? What is he gets hurt playing in Turkey? That would hurt his value also? Will he get a multil year deal? Would he have to buy out his deal?

Its one thing is he had college as a viable option then he has LEVERAGE. Without it he can't dictate his terms.

I guess when the next Lebron comes thru high school and has choices we'll see the tru test. A player in Europe can make more in his rookie years than in the NBA. That is what will stress the system. A guy goes overseas and does not want to come back for the rookie scale.


Haters are coming out of the woodwork now. LOL

Sonny Vaccaro said It's one of the smartest things I've heard. It's a viable thing.

So why did so many criticise it on it. Sonny has more knowledge about highschool basketball potential than all of us put together.

Bottom line this is a business, if american corporations are sending jobs overseas, our youth will have to do the same just to create more revenue for themselves.

It's the american way!

if you think there is a potential for a rival stateside league to the NBA dev league, why don't you go to the bank with a proposal. Title it "How to fix the plantation". I am sure it will go over well.
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6/23/2008  12:19 PM
Posted by martin:


if you think there is a potential for a rival stateside league to the NBA dev league, why don't you go to the bank with a proposal. Title it "How to fix the plantation". I am sure it will go over well.

LOL! Wow Martin, I literally spit up my drink.
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6/23/2008  12:31 PM
Sonny does not have great reputation.

Playa, in fairness your ideas are not completely without merrit in theory, but the intangables are many.

Like how much time is actually given to practice and work on his game? How much coaching is gonna be given to him?

He still comes back to the US under the Rookie scale, so unless he is given a big contract, he might lose big in the long run. What if he is injured? What if he does not like it? We hear many contracts being terminated for a host of reasons, what would prevent that from happening?

Some of those leagues are really rough. Big hairy antisemetic guys who might not take kind to the american kid.

Like I said, on paper, it sounds great, but in reality there are too many questions or reasons that I think could go wrong.

Sonny is part of the problem and has been for years. He has pumped so many AAU coaches with juice and has been part of the corruption of kids more than helping them. If the plantation exists the AAU coaches on the paryola have slave traded these kids for personal gain. Yeah, thats wrong.
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6/23/2008  1:06 PM
Sonny hasn't done any worst with AAU than NCAA A.D's on the plantation campus allowing kids to play and sign on at a university who leave and can't even read or write.
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6/23/2008  1:07 PM
Posted by Andrew:

knicksbabyyeah, what is considered a decent contract for a 17-18 year old kid playing basketball in Europe?

Ask Tony Parker and Jose Calderon how they made a living and didn't have to bea burden to their mothers financially anymore.

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6/23/2008  1:12 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Nalod:


Looks like the kid might not be able to pass the test so he needs options.

Development league is an option! So why don't kids do this more often?

NOt that much money, and he'll get beat on by older players? Might he get squashed internationally? What if he starts slow and gets benched? could his value drop? What is he gets hurt playing in Turkey? That would hurt his value also? Will he get a multil year deal? Would he have to buy out his deal?

Its one thing is he had college as a viable option then he has LEVERAGE. Without it he can't dictate his terms.

I guess when the next Lebron comes thru high school and has choices we'll see the tru test. A player in Europe can make more in his rookie years than in the NBA. That is what will stress the system. A guy goes overseas and does not want to come back for the rookie scale.


Haters are coming out of the woodwork now. LOL

Sonny Vaccaro said It's one of the smartest things I've heard. It's a viable thing.

So why did so many criticise it on it. Sonny has more knowledge about highschool basketball potential than all of us put together.

Bottom line this is a business, if american corporations are sending jobs overseas, our youth will have to do the same just to create more revenue for themselves.

It's the american way!

if you think there is a potential for a rival stateside league to the NBA dev league, why don't you go to the bank with a proposal. Title it "How to fix the plantation". I am sure it will go over well.

Martin, I don't think they have immediate intention to rival the d-league, but what they are doing is making the NCCA-NBA RE-THINK there new rulings every yr, by trying to eliminate young men from making cash for their entertainment skills in the USA at an earlier age.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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6/23/2008  1:26 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by martin:

if you think there is a potential for a rival stateside league to the NBA dev league, why don't you go to the bank with a proposal. Title it "How to fix the plantation". I am sure it will go over well.

Martin, I don't think they have immediate intention to rival the d-league, but what they are doing is making the NCCA-NBA RE-THINK there new rulings every yr, by trying to eliminate young men from making cash for their entertainment skills in the USA at an earlier age.

Businesses don't start to make other companies rethink their rulings. They are there to make money. Look, if you think this is a viable option, DO IT.

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6/23/2008  2:49 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Andrew:

knicksbabyyeah, what is considered a decent contract for a 17-18 year old kid playing basketball in Europe?

Ask Tony Parker and Jose Calderon how they made a living and didn't have to bea burden to their mothers financially anymore.

it's all about the chedda my brothas.
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6/24/2008  7:03 AM
They never had to live that way, people need chedda at an earlier age today
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6/24/2008  9:33 AM

Sonny is what makes the plantation wrong. Kids going to schools cuz sonny was funneling money to coaches to steer them a certain direction.

Tony Parker and others are exceptions. My point is there are a few kids who will make it regardless of how they do it. Tony Parker was also 19 when drafted.

By the way, children are not "burdens' to their mothers. At least most of the times.

For every player you think are being unjustified to wait a year there are maybe a hundred who are really good players in the 8th grade who will be spoiled and treated like royalty that they are better and have special gifts and won't be held to their studies. This by the very coach's, or the stewards of young men we so hold in high regard. They will be offered scholarships to play ball in the plantation, but how many will earn a living off of it? Really Playa, how many? How many Div one teams are there full of scholarship players? A lot! Hundreds of kids.

HOw many will enter unprepared thinking they are the "man" and will make pro? Most.

If so many underprevileged players are promoted this way and then end up back on the streets what good is it? You think if a kid can't make a pro career thru the "plantation" they can do it in europe even better?

One year, just one year!

Hold some form of education standard so these kids can read and write, not just play ball!
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6/24/2008  9:45 AM
Posted by Nalod:


Sonny is what makes the plantation wrong. Kids going to schools cuz sonny was funneling money to coaches to steer them a certain direction.

Who do you think came up with the idea...the plantation owners (A.D's)

Tony Parker and others are exceptions. My point is there are a few kids who will make it regardless of how they do it. Tony Parker was also 19 when drafted.
Tony Parkers and other were getting paid playing pro ball at 16 yrs of age hmmm

By the way, children are not "burdens' to their mothers. At least most of the times.
I believe we are talking about mostly single family homes where mothers have to work two jobs or diasbled like darius Miles mom.

For every player you think are being unjustified to wait a year there are maybe a hundred who are really good players in the 8th grade who will be spoiled and treated like royalty that they are better and have special gifts and won't be held to their studies. This by the very coach's, or the stewards of young men we so hold in high regard. They will be offered scholarships to play ball in the plantation, but how many will earn a living off of it? Really Playa, how many? How many Div one teams are there full of scholarship players? A lot! Hundreds of kids.

Go for the dollars it's the new american way



HOw many will enter unprepared thinking they are the "man" and will make pro? Most.

Hey that's life, we live in america and everyone is permitted to persue their dreams

If so many underprevileged players are promoted this way and then end up back on the streets what good is it? You think if a kid can't make a pro career thru the "plantation" they can do it in europe even better?

Nalod if you can't hack it in the classroom , this is your way out. It works for some to go pro , and opens up other pro leagues doors for others

One year, just one year!

Hold some form of education standard so these kids can read and write, not just play ball!
Explotation of young men has been going on for centuries, the A.D's need to hold a better standard and then you can hold the higher standard to the student athlete


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6/24/2008  12:07 PM
With Vaccaro, it was the Sneaker companies funding the trade.

I long contend the Plantation starts in the 9th grade and our high schools AD's are not holding it up.

Playa there is nothing wrong with persuit of the dream, but your talking about MAYBE 5 young men each year that could cut it, the hundreds not are not leveraging their talents to further their future.

You seem that its ok to exploit young men for a sum of money.

What was Tony Parker paid when he was 16? What of the "tony Parkers" that were paid, but did not make the elite leagues in Europe? Were they schooled? Some form of education? POst playing career training?

If so, can this be applicable to american players?

Look im gonna say it, I think the plight of inner city kids lost in society is thru education. If a kid can earn a nice living playing ball that would be great, but when the coaches at the AAU level and high school level are throwing these kids under the bus to promote their cause its wrong. The plantation might be wrong, but the alternative does not begin to address the problem.

Yeah your right, a kid who can earn 200k for a year or two is nice, but after the agents, taxes, and hangers on get over it the kid has nothing. No trade, no education, no future.

I think you assume all the kids can go to europe, get paid in euros, get euro*****, and live Italian!
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6/24/2008  1:29 PM
To each his own nalod, who am I to tell some young man not to try and make a living get paid doing something that you really enjoy doing.

Now if things don't work out as plan, they will be whatever the were going to be before the offer, the wise ones will go to some kind of trade school or something.

Many are being incarcerated at a high rate and where they come from that's the norm.
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6/24/2008  9:38 PM
Posted by Nalod:



I think you assume all the kids can go to europe, get paid in euros, get euro*****, and live Italian!

Going to Europe for a year will be a better education for Jennings than a year of goofing off at Arizona, only taking enough classes to stay eligible, while looking for an agent the whole year.

Keep it real man this ain't rocket science.


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6/24/2008  10:19 PM
Posted by playa2:

To each his own nalod, who am I to tell some young man not to try and make a living get paid doing something that you really enjoy doing.

Now if things don't work out as plan, they will be whatever the were going to be before the offer, the wise ones will go to some kind of trade school or something.

Many are being incarcerated at a high rate and where they come from that's the norm.

Too bad, it would good if they could parlay the advantage into something else. Most don't make it so why the hell not!

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6/25/2008  1:05 PM
Our education system are leavibg kids behind, by that I mean they aren't committed to see kids succeed in the classroom like they should.

Parental breakdowns requires the teachers to become both parent and teacher and some teachers just give up and gives the kids a pass because they don't want to deal with them anymore.

Parents arent adequate enough in a lot of cases, especially the ones who are single parents in drug infested communities
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7/9/2008  1:05 PM

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53463/20080709/
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The University of Arizona will miss out on star recruit Brandon Jennings, who has decided to play in Europe rather than play in the NCAA, the Associated Press is reporting.

"Over the course of the last two months I have consulted a number of people in basketball before coming to this decision," Jennings said in a statement released Tuesday night through his attorney Jeff Valle. "I would like to thank the University of Arizona for their interest and support through this process."

Jennings had been awaiting the results of a third college entrance exam but decided instead to give up his scholarship, Valle said in a phone interview Tuesday night from his Los Angeles office.

"We don't know the results of the test," Valle said. "He's been trying to make this decision as he waited through the eligibility process."

He has not yet revealed which European team he'll be playing for before making the jump to the NBA.

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