Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Briggs has brought to the table

1. Jamal to the Clippers for Fugazy and 7

2. #6 for Brewer and 23rd pick(Utah's first rounder)

3. Marbury, Lee, Chandler, #6 for Melo and 20

4. Zach to Philly 4 Evans and 16 or Zach 4 Evans

5. Diaw 4 Rose

6. Malik & #6 or #7 targeting Mo Williams

7. Lee & Fillers for another first rounder targeting Augustin

although you are not accurate on 3 of them and some of them are not bordering on 6 months old--I dont see your point--those are all reasonable trades to both parties.

Briggs you suggested all these trades and let's do a breakdown of them and see if they are good. Remember it should work as much as possible for both sides


The first trade. Why on earth would the Clips do that trade?

The second trade. Actually the trade is inaccurate due to you not looking correctly at Utah's draft position. Who's fault is this? Surely not anyone else's fault but yourself. You did suggest #6 4 Brewer and 18. The problem is Washington is picking 18 and the Jazz are picking 23. So in order to make your suggestion make sense we have to go with #6 4 Brewer and 23.

The third trade. As we've discussed in this thread you're trading for a Top 10 talent and giving no talent back in the the Top 40, not to mention snatching up another first rounder from them.

The fourth trade. That trade was beat to death I'll spare you pulling up your quotes from that thread but you said those would be the only two scenarios in which you would trade Zach to Philly.

The fifth trade. Great so we give away our expiring to add more salary in 2010/2011 in which DW stated that season would be the start to gaining cap flexibility

The sixth trade. I've already quoted you on this trade from the Mayo thread there's no option to backtrack on this one. Now you made this trade suggestion at the time you didn't know specifically what our draft position would be but Geez Mo Freakin 6yr $52million Williams. Boy are you trying to F Walsh's future plans over.

The seventh trade. Once again same as the sixth trade in that you proposed it at a time when things we're as clearly defined as they are now, but still even then, very suspect since most thought we'd include Lee in trades to get more not less. That is unless you're of the mindset like myself and you're coupling Lee with bad contracts.


For the most part your interested in screwing the other teams over. There were a couple in which you'd do the same to us. Your best suggestion may have been the Diaw one and that's not saying much at all.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-22-2008 6:41 PM]

You forget to mention the Lee trade was contigent on getting the numnber 1 pick and taking beasley--that the Brewer + pick was just a model trade--I think the mo williams for malik trade +6--I would ask for more now but you might have trouble finding a better player at 6 as in ready now than Mo Williams[i wouldnt do that now anyway]. I can easily comp the trade I just made with melo--go look at Vince Carter to NJ and many others. No trade here is out of the realm in anyway and guess what this is a Knick basketball message board where we plant ideas

I have to say I bet 95% of the people here think you are Dr stranglove brother. You go out of your way making yourself look like a very strange person.

No more boisterous than you going out of your way to call somebody out and starting threads to trash their thoughts of drafting Gordon, Augustin, or trading the 6th pick. The only difference is you don't attach quotes or use anyone names in particular. Actually using the quote feature is more suitable to keep discussions closely related because as you just tried to imply I was lying on you and I wasn't.

It's ok for people to disagree on things--that is the way of the world. What you are doing is childish classless and frankly very weird.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Briggs has brought to the table

1. Jamal to the Clippers for Fugazy and 7

2. #6 for Brewer and 23rd pick(Utah's first rounder)

3. Marbury, Lee, Chandler, #6 for Melo and 20

4. Zach to Philly 4 Evans and 16 or Zach 4 Evans

5. Diaw 4 Rose

6. Malik & #6 or #7 targeting Mo Williams

7. Lee & Fillers for another first rounder targeting Augustin

although you are not accurate on 3 of them and some of them are not bordering on 6 months old--I dont see your point--those are all reasonable trades to both parties.

Briggs you suggested all these trades and let's do a breakdown of them and see if they are good. Remember it should work as much as possible for both sides


The first trade. Why on earth would the Clips do that trade?

The second trade. Actually the trade is inaccurate due to you not looking correctly at Utah's draft position. Who's fault is this? Surely not anyone else's fault but yourself. You did suggest #6 4 Brewer and 18. The problem is Washington is picking 18 and the Jazz are picking 23. So in order to make your suggestion make sense we have to go with #6 4 Brewer and 23.

The third trade. As we've discussed in this thread you're trading for a Top 10 talent and giving no talent back in the the Top 40, not to mention snatching up another first rounder from them.

The fourth trade. That trade was beat to death I'll spare you pulling up your quotes from that thread but you said those would be the only two scenarios in which you would trade Zach to Philly.

The fifth trade. Great so we give away our expiring to add more salary in 2010/2011 in which DW stated that season would be the start to gaining cap flexibility

The sixth trade. I've already quoted you on this trade from the Mayo thread there's no option to backtrack on this one. Now you made this trade suggestion at the time you didn't know specifically what our draft position would be but Geez Mo Freakin 6yr $52million Williams. Boy are you trying to F Walsh's future plans over.

The seventh trade. Once again same as the sixth trade in that you proposed it at a time when things we're as clearly defined as they are now, but still even then, very suspect since most thought we'd include Lee in trades to get more not less. That is unless you're of the mindset like myself and you're coupling Lee with bad contracts.


For the most part your interested in screwing the other teams over. There were a couple in which you'd do the same to us. Your best suggestion may have been the Diaw one and that's not saying much at all.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-22-2008 6:41 PM]

You forget to mention the Lee trade was contigent on getting the numnber 1 pick and taking beasley--that the Brewer + pick was just a model trade--I think the mo williams for malik trade +6--I would ask for more now but you might have trouble finding a better player at 6 as in ready now than Mo Williams[i wouldnt do that now anyway]. I can easily comp the trade I just made with melo--go look at Vince Carter to NJ and many others. No trade here is out of the realm in anyway and guess what this is a Knick basketball message board where we plant ideas

I have to say I bet 95% of the people here think you are Dr stranglove brother. You go out of your way making yourself look like a very strange person.

No more boisterous than you going out of your way to call somebody out and starting threads to trash their thoughts of drafting Gordon, Augustin, or trading the 6th pick. The only difference is you don't attach quotes or use anyone names in particular. Actually using the quote feature is more suitable to keep discussions closely related because as you just tried to imply I was lying on you and I wasn't.

It's ok for people to disagree on things--that is the way of the world. What you are doing is childish classless and frankly very weird.

Yep I agree, the next time you feel the urge to address someone planting the idea or thought behind drafting Augustin @ 6 to satisfy the point guard need, or drafting Gordon to find a dynamic possible BPA @ 6, or outright trading he 6th pick to unload salary don't go out of your way to create a brand new thread in an attempt to chit on the thought process by comparing Augustin to Tyronn Lue, or chalking Gordon up as an absolute Lock Bust Midget, or creating this hysteria our future cap situation is irrepairable and mute, to gather your masses but instead reply to the poster planting these ideas by using the quote feature instead of being childish, classless, and frankly weird and give these same explanations aaaaaaaahhhhhhhh alas I now cap this all off with a .


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-22-2008 9:24 PM]

Posted by martin:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Briggs has brought to the table

1. Jamal to the Clippers for Fugazy and 7

2. #6 for Brewer and 23rd pick(Utah's first rounder)

3. Marbury, Lee, Chandler, #6 for Melo and 20

4. Zach to Philly 4 Evans and 16 or Zach 4 Evans

5. Diaw 4 Rose

6. Malik & #6 or #7 targeting Mo Williams

7. Lee & Fillers for another first rounder targeting Augustin

wow... you keep track.

It's getting freaky. Seriously.Freaky.

It's not freaky get over yourselves. He implied I lied on him so what way can I back that up. Oh that's right by referring to past conversations.

Briggs starts most draft day talk threads. He makes it easier to keep track of what he discussed but much harder for keeping track of what others have said. I could do the same for others though and likewise others with me. I've been in left field a couple times. Like when I wondered why Memphis was working out CDR and Briggs told me because they have the 28th pick. i tried to comically clean that up but it was a goof on my part which I had a little fun with, with TKF LOL!

Let's develop some croc skin here folks!

Now if we had one thread all we'd have to do is use the quote feature in the concurrent thread.

Explain where the harm is and how it's freaky?

True. It's freaky, I've asked you to cut it out before. Cut it out.

Another warning and command from you but no explanation given.

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by djsunyc:

lee/chandler/6 for melo AND 20?

i think the laughing would be so hard, the denver gm may have to be admitted to the emergency room for split sides...

marbury + 6
for
mike miller + brian cardinal + jason collins + 5

saves memphis $17 mil. gives the knicks mike miller. moves up a spot. gets rid of steph. give the knicks another $7 mil expiring this year with collins and an expiring next season w/ cardinal if both even make the roster.

this gives the knicks a major opportunity to get to 3 since minny still won't have to compete with memphis for love/lopez if that's their target.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-22-2008 5:54 PM]

I don't really think that's unreasonable at all dj. I'd be the first one to tell Briggs or anyone else if I didn't agree - but this is a very well thought out move with equal value going both ways. Denver still might say no but they'd hardly be laughing at this offer. Briggs you're right they might not get a better offer than this for Melo. And if I'm the Knicks you do it. Melo might not be as good as 'Bron (in my book it's Kobe, LeBron, then everyone else), but he's right there with Wade, Bosh and anyone else out there we might be looking at in a few years provided we clear the necessary cap room. Melo's actually younger than David Lee, think about that for a sec... The Nuggets might Balk at this because giving up Melo and #20 might seem too steep to them (I could see their fans being very disappointed in this - it'd be a tough sell, esp. to their ticket holders) but it's one hell of an offer.

I really wanted to keep pick #6 and David Lee for seperate deals - but we're talking Carmelo Anthony here man. You know how we always say we need a bona fide star to build around? Well here he is. Had maybe his best season too - almost 7.5 reb/game and shot over 35% from 3. If Denver's serious about re-tooling, this is a tremendous offer for them. Only thing - with all our assets going to Denver in the deal along with the pick we owe Utah still looming it's going be that much harder to re-tool and surround Melo with what he needs to win games. I guess you gotta do it and worry about that later though huh? I'm usually not in for starphuck-type stuff like this but for Melo??? 24 yrs. old??? You do it and try to piece everything else together. Who would you take at 20 then? That suddenly becomes a very important pick. JaVale McGee still? You take a chance on Chalmers? The kid's a proven winner and I'd still be on the hunt for some backcourt help. You go get Courtney Lee for some consistent shooting? Joey Dorsey for some rebounding and defense around the rim? Very interesting...


[Edited by - finestrg on 06-22-2008 11:35 PM]

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Anji:

Posted by djsunyc:

btw, melo >>>>> than everyone on the knicks roster combined and that's including who they take at 6.

Melo would be the hands down number 1 if he came out this year.

He would be great here.....................

outside of yao, lebron, dwight, oden, and bargnani, who since 2000 would you draft over melo?

Posted by BRIGGS:

It's ok for people to disagree on things--that is the way of the world. What you are doing is childish classless and frankly very weird.