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djsunyc
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6/23/2008  1:38 AM
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gordon may be a nice player, but a 6-3 SG puts you in a major hole down the road if you really want to take the next step.

Who was a better freshman in college A.I. or Gordon? How tall is Monta Ellis? How tall is Arenas?

iverson is a once in a lifetime type talent - he's in the discussion as possibly the greatest little man to ever play the game. and dominated the college level. gordon has not. i don't think iverson should be brought up here.

monta is a nice player...so is arenas. but those teams are nothing more than 1st round playoff teams. is gordon gonna run the point like gilbert here?


Have those teams suffered from drafting or signing them? No! Is Gordon someone you try and build around not exactly but he could be a very, very, good piece. I'm saying his height is totally irrelevant to if he has talent to be successful. I think it's more of style of play than anything else.

BTW Beasley is extremely undersized to play the 4 which most teams will see him as does his size equate to failure.

Why do the rules change according to the player we're talking about?

i think you can find a gordon type player via free agency or trade. knicks should draft a player that will be very tough to acquire otherwise.
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djsunyc
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6/23/2008  1:39 AM
will gordon be better than let's say, rodney stuckey? will gordon end up being better than CDR or brandon rush? and how much better?
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6/23/2008  1:39 AM
just trade up to 3 & take Mayo & everyone's happy.
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6/23/2008  1:42 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

will gordon be better than let's say, rodney stuckey? will gordon end up being better than CDR or brandon rush? and how much better?

All those are hard questions and you could ask the same of other players.


Will Mayo be better than Brandon Roy? Will he better than Gordon? Will he be better than Joe Johnson?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-23-2008 12:43 AM]
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djsunyc
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6/23/2008  1:44 AM
and what would make eric gordon better than a guy like dujuan wagner?
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6/23/2008  1:46 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
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will gordon be better than let's say, rodney stuckey? will gordon end up being better than CDR or brandon rush? and how much better?

All those are hard questions and you could ask the same of other players.


Will Mayo be better than Brandon Roy? Will he better than Gordon? Will he be better than Joe Johnson?

sure...but roy + joe johnson are lottery players and both of them at 6'5+. he may not be better than gordon, but the mere fact that he's 6'5 and put up better stats in college tells me that he should be drafted over him.
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6/23/2008  1:47 AM
i'm not saying gordon is a bad player or will be a bad player...but i don't think the knicks should draft him at 6.
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6/23/2008  2:31 AM
If Im going to take a guard Im going to take Westbrook. Its pretty easy to reason that he offers something that the other guards do not--he is an impact player on the defensive end. If we take a guard not named Mayo or Rose---again I think everyone will be happy with Westbrook. I dont think it is necessary to grab a 20 point scorer[although westbrook has that type of upside offesnively or close to it] but the intangibles he brings as a two way player--out team is starved for it and I hope that within reason that they get it.
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6/23/2008  7:49 AM
I'd take Bayless over Westbrook, but if Bayless, Mayo and Love are gone I'd be happy with Westbrook or Gordon.
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6/23/2008  8:03 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

If Im going to take a guard Im going to take Westbrook. Its pretty easy to reason that he offers something that the other guards do not--he is an impact player on the defensive end. If we take a guard not named Mayo or Rose---again I think everyone will be happy with Westbrook. I dont think it is necessary to grab a 20 point scorer[although westbrook has that type of upside offesnively or close to it] but the intangibles he brings as a two way player--out team is starved for it and I hope that within reason that they get it.
that is why this is my draft board:
1) mayo 2) love 3) Alexander 4) Westbrook
pretty sure 1 and 2 will be gone. I want an intense 2-way player that is going make an impact with effort and has big upside. Westbrook and Alexander are those guys to me.

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6/23/2008  11:34 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

gordon may be a nice player, but a 6-3 SG puts you in a major hole down the road if you really want to take the next step.

Who was a better freshman in college A.I. or Gordon? How tall is Monta Ellis? How tall is Arenas?

Allen Iverson is a hall of famer. How far has gilbert arenas gone so far? Monta Ellis isn't tall, but he can play a lil point and defends a little.
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6/23/2008  11:44 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

gordon may be a nice player, but a 6-3 SG puts you in a major hole down the road if you really want to take the next step.

Who was a better freshman in college A.I. or Gordon? How tall is Monta Ellis? How tall is Arenas?

Allen Iverson is a hall of famer. How far has gilbert arenas gone so far? Monta Ellis isn't tall, but he can play a lil point and defends a little.

Once again please explain how any of those teams that drafted or traded for them were hurt by there acquisitions? Very simple question.
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6/23/2008  11:50 AM
Trueblue, having Gilbert Arenas doesn't hurt your team, sometimes, but I haven't seen teams advance past the first round with him. The Warriors had Baron Davis, and Monta plays PG also and can defend. Allen Iverson is a hall of famer.

Do you really see Eric Gordon as someone who will help us get to the finals? I don't see any 6'3" guard shooting such a low percentage, who doesn't D' up, taking us to the finals.

Besides, we already have Crawford and Nate, both who have shown that they'd at least try to become orchestrators. Notice I said TRY. Lets see how they can at least do under D'Antoni.

Of all the combo guards, I'd rather take the guy who plays a lot of defense and definitely knows how to orchestrate.
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6/23/2008  12:05 PM
Other guys in this league who are undersized or slight of build.

Tony Parker 6'2"(goes to the rim and gets in the paint whenever he wants to)
Steve Nash 6'2"(ditto except often times he dishes instead of swishes)
Jason Terry 6'3"(played a lot of 2 guard in Dallas especially during their championship run and last yr)
Mike Bibby 6'3"(isn't your prototypical point guard and plays combo style a lot)
Chris Paul 6'1"(on his way to being a league MVP)
Mo Williams 6'2"(this guy just signed a 6yr $52mil deal correct? NUFF CED)
T.J. Ford 6'1"(When he isn't falling on his Ass he's a good player)
Jameer Nelson 5'11"(Good enough player to be a starter on a young up and coming team who's made the playoffs 2 straight yrs)
Ben Gordon 6'3"(In the 4rth qrt you don't want this guy having opportunities 6th Man Of The Yr Winner)
Barbosa 6'3"(Speed kills and didn't Gordon have one of the fastest Combine speed and agility tests?)
Rondo 6'1"(He has a ring)
Sam Cassell 6'3"(not a pure point more of a combo guard with less athleticism he has 3 rings)
Louis Williams 6'2"(mark my words he will be a monster once he officially takes over the reigns in Philly)
Rafer Alston 6'2"(didn't he start every game for a team that won 22gms in a row?)
Raymond Felton 6'1"(I think a lot of people have suggested trading for him)
Kyle Lowry 6'0"(I think a lot of people have suggested trading form him)
Mike Conley 6'1"(what were the Grizz thinking picking this midget)
Steve Blake 6'2"(Frail Rail but played good enough the Blazer made him their starter and acquired him for a second stint)
DJ Augustin 5'11"(many have suggested trading to get him)

I didn't even bother to mention the weight on some of these guys because they are extremely light. Please the size issue is way overblown.




[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-23-2008 11:07 AM]
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6/23/2008  12:14 PM
The problem with that list is that nearly every player is playing the PG position except very few. Gordon is in no way a PG.
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6/23/2008  12:19 PM
Yup, besides Cassell and Barbosa, most of those guys are PGs. Parker is a combo, and I'd love to have him, but would he win anything without Tim Duncan? Doubt it, but who knows.
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6/23/2008  12:19 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

The problem with that list is that nearly every player is playing the PG position except very few. Gordon is in no way a PG.

There's about 5 combo guards on the list and size is size.

Explain how Gordon size would limit him when this league is predicated off someone setting a screen for you if you have lights out shooting and great dribble penetration.

I want a detailed explanation how it's going to hurt him and not the overstating what Gordon measured as. Remember he was in the Top 3 in speed test at the Combine Camp and he's also built like a Tank. Once again Beasley is undersized so do you pass him up because of it?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-23-2008 11:21 AM]
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6/23/2008  12:21 PM
And just to add True. I'm not saying I hate Gordon, I just don't think he's the right choice for us at this team. It's hard to build a case for starting your rebuild around a 6'3 "combo" guard who really doesn't have PG skills.

I do agree that he is a straightup shooter and that certainly has value in this league. I'm just not sure thats the right pick for us right now.
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6/23/2008  12:23 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

and what would make eric gordon better than a guy like dujuan wagner?

Wagner's problem was health, not talent. Duke was a straight baller.
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6/23/2008  12:23 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

And just to add True. I'm not saying I hate Gordon, I just don't think he's the right choice for us at this team. It's hard to build a case for starting your rebuild around a 6'3 "combo" guard who really doesn't have PG skills.

I do agree that he is a straightup shooter and that certainly has value in this league. I'm just not sure thats the right pick for us right now.

Gordon wouldn't necessarily be the main guy you're building around. In Portland do you think they are building around Roy? or is it Aldridge? or is it Oden? Gordon would essentially be our Brandon Roy.
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