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6/20/2008  7:12 AM
I'll man up. I didn't advocate a trade for KG. He went to the right team with the right plan. He went to a team that was win now. KG was what 30 at the time? Putting him on a team that was at least 3 years away from a championship was a waste of time and talent.

Now if we were talking about a guy like Amare, at the time I would have traded Both Frye and Curry for him without blinking an eye.
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6/20/2008  8:06 AM
Posted by joec32033:

I'll man up. I didn't advocate a trade for KG. He went to the right team with the right plan. He went to a team that was win now. KG was what 30 at the time? Putting him on a team that was at least 3 years away from a championship was a waste of time and talent.

Now if we were talking about a guy like Amare, at the time I would have traded Both Frye and Curry for him without blinking an eye.
Celtics were one of the worst teams for awhile. How were they win now? They had Pierce and thats it.. they were terrible

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6/20/2008  8:19 AM
i don't care how far away or close your team is to winning now, if you have a chance to go for a cornerstone franchise level talent like a KG, Lebron, Kobe, Paul, D Howard, Yao, etc., you go for it... history has taught us that championships are won by building teams around these types of players (w/the very rare exception like DET a few years ago)... whether you achieve that by gaining cap flexibility & signing these guys, accumulating & trading assets to acquire them, or drafting them as rookies & building around them, you gotta get yourself a franchise level guy to build around before u start to think seriously about contending for championships in this league.
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6/20/2008  8:57 AM
I think the debate is at 31 is KG still a cornerstone, and for how long. Thats a 4-5 year window. The debate was is it worth it.

Jermaine Oneil represents buying low. I included Murphy not because I wanted him, but to get the 11th pick.

If the Pacers say piss off thats fine

Also.. getting that pick and adding Murphy is to get rid of Zach which seems paramount around here. If the Milw deal isnt on the table then its a no go.. would rather hold till the deadline

[Edited by - fishmike on 20-06-2008 09:01 AM]
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6/20/2008  9:14 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by joec32033:

I'll man up. I didn't advocate a trade for KG. He went to the right team with the right plan. He went to a team that was win now. KG was what 30 at the time? Putting him on a team that was at least 3 years away from a championship was a waste of time and talent.

Now if we were talking about a guy like Amare, at the time I would have traded Both Frye and Curry for him without blinking an eye.
Celtics were one of the worst teams for awhile. How were they win now? They had Pierce and thats it.. they were terrible

They acquired KG after they got Allen. It was obvious what direction they were going after that. I still feel KG would have been in the same situation coming into Ny at that time that he was leaving from Minny. You got to take into account what we had to give up to get him too. We may have had to give up Frye, Jamal, Lee, and probably Q and maybe some picks.

We would have had Marbury, Francis, and not much else to surround KG with anything.
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Posted by TMS:

i don't care how far away or close your team is to winning now, if you have a chance to go for a cornerstone franchise level talent like a KG, Lebron, Kobe, Paul, D Howard, Yao, etc., you go for it... history has taught us that championships are won by building teams around these types of players (w/the very rare exception like DET a few years ago)... whether you achieve that by gaining cap flexibility & signing these guys, accumulating & trading assets to acquire them, or drafting them as rookies & building around them, you gotta get yourself a franchise level guy to build around before u start to think seriously about contending for championships in this league.

All those guys but Kobe are under 27(I think). I don't think you can just start to build around a 31 year old from scratch. I don't think we would have had the pieces to begin to surround KG with an adequate supporting cast, let alone be able to trade for a guy like Allen.

The Celtics already had at the very least Pierce and then Ray. We had Marbury and Francis.
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6/20/2008  9:24 AM
I know KG came 2nd but dont you think that was on the table? And before the KG Ainge was blasted for the Ray Allen trade.
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6/20/2008  9:31 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I think the debate is at 31 is KG still a cornerstone, and for how long. Thats a 4-5 year window. The debate was is it worth it.

Jermaine Oneil represents buying low. I included Murphy not because I wanted him, but to get the 11th pick.

If the Pacers say piss off thats fine

Also.. getting that pick and adding Murphy is to get rid of Zach which seems paramount around here. If the Milw deal isnt on the table then its a no go.. would rather hold till the deadline

[Edited by - fishmike on 20-06-2008 09:01 AM]

I actually sort of like the trade you posted a lot. Personally I believe Dunleavy is a better fit here than Murphy but Murphy is/was an underrated banger who averaged close to a double double in Golden State.
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6/20/2008  9:35 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I know KG came 2nd but dont you think that was on the table? And before the KG Ainge was blasted for the Ray Allen trade.

That is sort of my point. Although I do remember KG saying that Allen had called to convince him to ok the trade.

Ainge was blasted, but now is a champion.
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6/20/2008  9:46 AM
well he wasnt blasted after he got KG.. then everyone was like "ok now we get it." They are not young but ancient either. I suspect you will see a Det type scenario. Maybe they get back to the finals but lose a tough series, then they lose in the ECF and then your looking at a roster build around 3 guys in their mid-late 30s.

Regardless they won their title and took advantage of their window. Its not debateable.. Ainge did it. If he never does it again he earns an A+ as GM. If Eli never wins another playoff game Giants get an A+ for giving up what they did for him.
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6/20/2008  12:18 PM
Posted by fishmike:

well he wasnt blasted after he got KG.. then everyone was like "ok now we get it." They are not young but ancient either. I suspect you will see a Det type scenario. Maybe they get back to the finals but lose a tough series, then they lose in the ECF and then your looking at a roster build around 3 guys in their mid-late 30s.

Regardless they won their title and took advantage of their window. Its not debateable.. Ainge did it. If he never does it again he earns an A+ as GM. If Eli never wins another playoff game Giants get an A+ for giving up what they did for him.

Fish, that is what I'm saying. Perfect time, perfect situation. The Knicks two, three years ago were neither. If we had the pieces to grab Allen and then Kg and put them together with another Franchise player I would have been all for KG. We weren't there. Right now acquiring any Franchise player over 30-31 may be no wiser unless we are talking full scale nuclear holocaust on this current roster.
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6/20/2008  2:11 PM
shooters wanted:

malik for cuttino mobley
jeffries for vlad rad

and here's a psycho idea...

malik for tim thomas...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-20-2008 2:12 PM]
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6/20/2008  2:22 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

shooters wanted:

malik for cuttino mobley
jeffries for vlad rad

and here's a psycho idea...

malik for tim thomas...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-20-2008 2:12 PM]

Lake show already has a much better version of Jefferies in Ariza, plus I cant stand Vlad Rad. Mobley's official tho.
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6/20/2008  2:34 PM
I'm not a fan of vladamir either, but almost all good teams need a spot up shooter, and though Raddy is a tad expensive, he's still very reliable when left open on the perimeter. He's not a starter though, like how he is on LA. That's just ridiculous.
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Posted by Allanfan20:

I'm not a fan of vladamir either, but almost all good teams need a spot up shooter, and though Raddy is a tad expensive, he's still very reliable when left open on the perimeter. He's not a starter though, like how he is on LA. That's just ridiculous.

i don't like vlad at all...but he is a shooter and he can hit at a high % from 3. la la is not the right place for him. but he would do well with d'antoni provided there's a point guard that can get him the ball.
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6/20/2008  3:37 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

and here's a psycho idea...

malik for tim thomas...



[Edited by - TMS on 06-20-2008 12:37 PM]
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