[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

RealGM: Knicks Still Debating Draft Or Trade?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 2 of 3 ‹ Previous 1  2  3 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
fishmike
Posts: 53902
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
6/19/2008  2:05 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by fishmike:

no need to anyway

More I think of it draft Alexander and trade for TJ Ford and call it a day. Malik's expiring and Nate should get you TJ Ford. Throw in cash if you have to, or Balkman. No Chander or Lee.

Alexander a PF or SF? That's a lot at the 3 and 4 spot for the Knicks. Run run run until you drop.
He's 6'8 225 and an athletic freak. He's a 3.. no doubt, but strong enough and fast enough to play some 4 in an uptempo system. Also a good guy to have chasing after the tweener forwards of the league... guys like Harrington, Marion, Odom, Jamison, etc

He's as athletic and stronger than Marion. Not as long though, and will prob next be a 10 rpg guy.







and he's gotten stronger since all of these...

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
AUTOADVERT
TrueBlue
Posts: 29144
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 9/20/2006
Member: #1172
6/19/2008  2:06 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

tj ford is >>>>>>>>>> than all of you.

marbury + 6 for
mike miller + brian cardinal + jason collins + 5

saves them $17 mil.

Memphis wants a spot higher than 6. They pretty much feel O.J. may not get past 4 yet alone 5. Not in case you can concoct a 3 way.

the problem is that memphis can not get up to 3 to take him b/c they're not trading gay or adding payroll.

Assuming Miami holds on to Beasley they're offering Lowry and Miller & 5 and Mchale just may bite plus they both have picks on the table in the Top 35. Mchale is looking for young players
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
sebstar
Posts: 25698
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 6/2/2002
Member: #249
USA
6/19/2008  2:23 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SlimPack:

Trading down for Ford isn't worth it to me. I'd only trade down to get rid of Zbo. Otherwise the Knicks should try to trade up to get Bayless or Mayo.

tj ford will add at least 10 wins to the knicks alone.

#17 pick can be used to draft a pg or traded for a pg (like possibly lowry/jack/sergio to give the knicks a viable backup if tj gets hurt)

Be that as it may, the deal is way too lopsided. Ford is injury prone and if were going to put our players under a microscope to diminish their value, its only fair that we cast a critical eye towards other teams' personnel. They get to shed salary, move up in the draft and in the process rid themselves of a developing point guard conflict. Plus they jettison the less durable of the two point guards on their payroll.

You must be a Raptors fan
My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets. --Royce Da 5'9 + DJ Premier = Hip Hop Utopia
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
6/19/2008  2:27 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SlimPack:

Trading down for Ford isn't worth it to me. I'd only trade down to get rid of Zbo. Otherwise the Knicks should try to trade up to get Bayless or Mayo.

tj ford will add at least 10 wins to the knicks alone.

#17 pick can be used to draft a pg or traded for a pg (like possibly lowry/jack/sergio to give the knicks a viable backup if tj gets hurt)

Be that as it may, the deal is way too lopsided. Ford is injury prone and if were going to put our players under a microscope to diminish their value, its only fair that we cast a critical eye towards other teams' personnel. They get to shed salary, move up in the draft and in the process rid themselves of a developing point guard conflict. Plus they jettison the less durable of the two point guards on their payroll.

You must be a Raptors fan

i'm a big tj ford guy. i think he's a top notch pg (2nd tier) and can run d'antoni's offense to perfection. you give him a few guys that can run (perfect fit would be atlanta) and he will average 10 assists a game. health is the risk...but drafting at 6 is a risk as well...there's a higher chance #6 turns out to be an average starter (and you can trade or sign guys like this). and i think the knicks can find a decent player at 17...or even make a small move to get up to 13/14/15 if need be.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-19-2008 2:31 PM]
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
6/19/2008  2:32 PM
raptors fan? what are you talking aboot, eh?
Ira
Posts: 24692
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 8/14/2001
Member: #91
6/19/2008  3:04 PM
Just say no to giving up drafting position for chronically injured players.
sebstar
Posts: 25698
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 6/2/2002
Member: #249
USA
6/19/2008  3:12 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SlimPack:

Trading down for Ford isn't worth it to me. I'd only trade down to get rid of Zbo. Otherwise the Knicks should try to trade up to get Bayless or Mayo.

tj ford will add at least 10 wins to the knicks alone.

#17 pick can be used to draft a pg or traded for a pg (like possibly lowry/jack/sergio to give the knicks a viable backup if tj gets hurt)

Be that as it may, the deal is way too lopsided. Ford is injury prone and if were going to put our players under a microscope to diminish their value, its only fair that we cast a critical eye towards other teams' personnel. They get to shed salary, move up in the draft and in the process rid themselves of a developing point guard conflict. Plus they jettison the less durable of the two point guards on their payroll.

You must be a Raptors fan

i'm a big tj ford guy. i think he's a top notch pg (2nd tier) and can run d'antoni's offense to perfection. you give him a few guys that can run (perfect fit would be atlanta) and he will average 10 assists a game. health is the risk...but drafting at 6 is a risk as well...there's a higher chance #6 turns out to be an average starter (and you can trade or sign guys like this). and i think the knicks can find a decent player at 17...or even make a small move to get up to 13/14/15 if need be.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-19-2008 2:31 PM]

You know damn well things dont work that way, you have to paint a complete picture. TJ Ford's abilities are not the end of the story, you have to include his durability and health issues. Yeah, if we just said that Randolph is a 6'10, low post force and put a period at the end of the sentence then we could have anyone we want for him. Randolph's off the court issues and professionalism lapses play a role in his trade value, just like Ford's health. Not to mention the fact that everybody knows that the Raps are looking to dump him.

I've never heard anyone argue that a high end lottery pick should be diminshed simply because there is a risk involved in drafting players ( Number 17 poses more of a risk because the players are less skilled). The pick is the asset, and its all about what one does with it. I guess its an unknown vs. known quantity at work.

In any event, I know there is a certain level of emotion involved here because you like the Raps and Ford and you want to see the Knicks get worked in a trade again; but if that trade were proposed to I, you'd hear dial tone real quick.
My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets. --Royce Da 5'9 + DJ Premier = Hip Hop Utopia
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
6/19/2008  3:16 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

From Hoopsworld.... More and More reporting we're shopping the can't pass up 6th pick and that we want a Vet.
The Knicks Are Talking Trades: The Knicks are still debating internally what to do with the draft – there is rampant speculation that the Knicks may have made the "promise" to Danilo Gallinari, although sources in Phoenix have said from the beginning that Mike D'Antoni is not as impressed with Danilo as everyone believes he is. Russell Westbrook looks like the smart pick for the Knicks, but there is continued belief that adding another young player may not be the smartest move as the Knicks try to improve. If the Knicks could find a taker involving the #6 pick yielding a veteran type guard, the Knicks seem more open to that than selecting a player. TJ Ford's name has been mentioned more than a few times to the Knicks and don't rule out the Sonics as a trade partner either. The Knicks could be a real player in the hours prior to the draft; they seem most likely to trade their pick for a veteran player than anyone in the top of the draft.


No doubt about it as I said since D'Antonio Davis' hiring we're ALL-IN for the playoffs next yr.

this is all speculation - all this means is that Donnie is doing due diligence in trying to figure out what's out there for the pick. we're in a decent draft position, but it's not a great one. a good gm figures out if they can address needs better thru trading the pick or drafting.
¿ △ ?
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
6/19/2008  3:37 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SlimPack:

Trading down for Ford isn't worth it to me. I'd only trade down to get rid of Zbo. Otherwise the Knicks should try to trade up to get Bayless or Mayo.

tj ford will add at least 10 wins to the knicks alone.

#17 pick can be used to draft a pg or traded for a pg (like possibly lowry/jack/sergio to give the knicks a viable backup if tj gets hurt)

Be that as it may, the deal is way too lopsided. Ford is injury prone and if were going to put our players under a microscope to diminish their value, its only fair that we cast a critical eye towards other teams' personnel. They get to shed salary, move up in the draft and in the process rid themselves of a developing point guard conflict. Plus they jettison the less durable of the two point guards on their payroll.

You must be a Raptors fan

i'm a big tj ford guy. i think he's a top notch pg (2nd tier) and can run d'antoni's offense to perfection. you give him a few guys that can run (perfect fit would be atlanta) and he will average 10 assists a game. health is the risk...but drafting at 6 is a risk as well...there's a higher chance #6 turns out to be an average starter (and you can trade or sign guys like this). and i think the knicks can find a decent player at 17...or even make a small move to get up to 13/14/15 if need be.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-19-2008 2:31 PM]

You know damn well things dont work that way, you have to paint a complete picture. TJ Ford's abilities are not the end of the story, you have to include his durability and health issues. Yeah, if we just said that Randolph is a 6'10, low post force and put a period at the end of the sentence then we could have anyone we want for him. Randolph's off the court issues and professionalism lapses play a role in his trade value, just like Ford's health. Not to mention the fact that everybody knows that the Raps are looking to dump him.

I've never heard anyone argue that a high end lottery pick should be diminshed simply because there is a risk involved in drafting players ( Number 17 poses more of a risk because the players are less skilled). The pick is the asset, and its all about what one does with it. I guess its an unknown vs. known quantity at work.

In any event, I know there is a certain level of emotion involved here because you like the Raps and Ford and you want to see the Knicks get worked in a trade again; but if that trade were proposed to I, you'd hear dial tone real quick.

raps are taking the bigger risk by potentially losing tj for nothing. colangelo could draft a bust which he already did with bargs.

tj got hurt by a vicious hit (that could've resulted in a suspension) this past season, and he came back from it. doctors have said that he's as healthy today as he was on draft night. knicks trading for tj may actually make me care about the team again.
TrueBlue
Posts: 29144
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 9/20/2006
Member: #1172
6/19/2008  3:39 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SlimPack:

Trading down for Ford isn't worth it to me. I'd only trade down to get rid of Zbo. Otherwise the Knicks should try to trade up to get Bayless or Mayo.

tj ford will add at least 10 wins to the knicks alone.

#17 pick can be used to draft a pg or traded for a pg (like possibly lowry/jack/sergio to give the knicks a viable backup if tj gets hurt)

Be that as it may, the deal is way too lopsided. Ford is injury prone and if were going to put our players under a microscope to diminish their value, its only fair that we cast a critical eye towards other teams' personnel. They get to shed salary, move up in the draft and in the process rid themselves of a developing point guard conflict. Plus they jettison the less durable of the two point guards on their payroll.

You must be a Raptors fan

i'm a big tj ford guy. i think he's a top notch pg (2nd tier) and can run d'antoni's offense to perfection. you give him a few guys that can run (perfect fit would be atlanta) and he will average 10 assists a game. health is the risk...but drafting at 6 is a risk as well...there's a higher chance #6 turns out to be an average starter (and you can trade or sign guys like this). and i think the knicks can find a decent player at 17...or even make a small move to get up to 13/14/15 if need be.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-19-2008 2:31 PM]

You know damn well things dont work that way, you have to paint a complete picture. TJ Ford's abilities are not the end of the story, you have to include his durability and health issues. Yeah, if we just said that Randolph is a 6'10, low post force and put a period at the end of the sentence then we could have anyone we want for him. Randolph's off the court issues and professionalism lapses play a role in his trade value, just like Ford's health. Not to mention the fact that everybody knows that the Raps are looking to dump him.

I've never heard anyone argue that a high end lottery pick should be diminshed simply because there is a risk involved in drafting players ( Number 17 poses more of a risk because the players are less skilled). The pick is the asset, and its all about what one does with it. I guess its an unknown vs. known quantity at work.

In any event, I know there is a certain level of emotion involved here because you like the Raps and Ford and you want to see the Knicks get worked in a trade again; but if that trade were proposed to I, you'd hear dial tone real quick.

raps are taking the bigger risk by potentially losing tj for nothing. colangelo could draft a bust which he already did with bargs.

tj got hurt by a vicious hit (that could've resulted in a suspension) this past season, and he came back from it. doctors have said that he's as healthy today as he was on draft night. knicks trading for tj may actually make me care about the team again.

DJ you gotta come up with a better deal though. I'm not completely opposed to trading for TJ but the trade isn't that good and this coming from someone who'd rather move down(assuming the guy we truly want is gone).

Very rarely does this board post even trades, it's always one-sided in favor of the other .

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-19-2008 2:41 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
fishmike
Posts: 53902
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
6/19/2008  3:40 PM
DJ.. why did Ford miss 30 games last year? Previous 2 years he was very durable and played at a very high level.

It would be very very temped to make that trade. Its easy to fall in love with undrafted players.

I still think Ford can be had for Malik and Nate and cash. Maybe we could by Seat pick 24 and add that to the package.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
6/19/2008  3:44 PM
Posted by fishmike:

DJ.. why did Ford miss 30 games last year? Previous 2 years he was very durable and played at a very high level.

It would be very very temped to make that trade. Its easy to fall in love with undrafted players.

I still think Ford can be had for Malik and Nate and cash. Maybe we could by Seat pick 24 and add that to the package.



vicious hit by horford. full swing right down on his head.
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
6/19/2008  3:49 PM
he lost feeling in his extremities for a few minutes.

he then went down to houston and rehabbed with john lucas where he learned how to drive differently and use his body to prevent from harsh contact to his head. he also learned how to fall so he doesn't injure his spine.

looks, he's definitely a gamble...but damn man, if the guy is healthy, there is no pg in this draft (or in 2006) that's even close to his level of production.

fg% over his career: 38.4, 41.6, 43.6, 47.0

dude is getting better and better and is only 25. and each season he started = playoffs.

golden state took the gamble with diddy and it paid off big time.

and imho, there is no guard available at 6 that's as good as he is. only reason toronto is moving him is b/c nobody knew calderon was going to be this good and the raps are doing the euro thing.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-19-2008 3:55 PM]
sebstar
Posts: 25698
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 6/2/2002
Member: #249
USA
6/19/2008  3:54 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

he lost feeling in his extremities for a few minutes.

he then went down to houston and rehabbed with john lucas where he learned how to drive differently and use his body to prevent from harsh contact to his head. he also learned how to fall so he doesn't injure his spine.

looks, he's definitely a gamble...but damn man, if the guy is healthy, there is no pg in this draft (or in 2006) that's even close to his level of production.

fg% over his career: 38.4, 41.6, 43.6, 47.0

dude is getting better and better and is only 25. and each season he started = playoffs.

golden state took the gamble with diddy and it paid off big time.

and imho, there is no guard available at 6 that's as good as he is.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-19-2008 3:50 PM]

Id take a risk on him. Emphasis on RISK, but its just that. I'm not trying to give up valuable assets for this cat. Ya'll need to meet us halfway.
My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets. --Royce Da 5'9 + DJ Premier = Hip Hop Utopia
fishmike
Posts: 53902
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
6/19/2008  4:01 PM
ok... maybe I would throw in the big game
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
nyk4ever
Posts: 41010
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 1/12/2005
Member: #848
USA
6/19/2008  4:02 PM
Posted by fishmike:

ok... maybe I would throw in the big game

Marv will slice you for that!
"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
6/19/2008  4:03 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

DJ you gotta come up with a better deal though. I'm not completely opposed to trading for TJ but the trade isn't that good and this coming from someone who'd rather move down(assuming the guy we truly want is gone).

Very rarely does this board post even trades, it's always one-sided in favor of the other

there's no match, that's why you can't make a decent deal. plus i don't see walsh, colangelo, stefanski, thorn or ainge doing business with each other.
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
6/19/2008  4:23 PM
actually, a fair trade for both teams is tj for crawford.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
6/19/2008  4:34 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

actually, a fair trade for both teams is tj for crawford.

that's not a fair trade... Jamal don't come w/those injury risks & he's coming off a 20 ppg season... TOR would have to toss in the #17 to make it a fair trade... Ford is nice but he can go down at any moment w/another neck tweak & i would not be looking forward to seeing him in street clothes for the rest of his contract sitting next to Turd.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
6/19/2008  4:36 PM
so, let me get this straight our plan is to trade for a midget PG who could become paralyzed while throwing an alley oop pass to our overweight center who could have a heart attack? ok. sounds good.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 19-06-2008 4:36 PM]
¿ △ ?
Page 2 of 3 ‹ Previous 1  2  3 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
RealGM: Knicks Still Debating Draft Or Trade?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy