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nyk4ever
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6/18/2008  12:16 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:


Gordon has no handle and he's going to have to guard players 3-6 inches taller than him. Perfect Knick smallish 42% shooter no D

Briggs the one thing I will say is.. how come when it comes to the guys you like, such as Anthony Randolph, McGee and whoever else, you say they will get better, but when it comes to Gordon, you just say he has no handle and no D and make it sound like theres no chance he will get better?
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6/18/2008  12:19 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:


Gordon has no handle and he's going to have to guard players 3-6 inches taller than him. Perfect Knick smallish 42% shooter no D

Briggs the one thing I will say is.. how come when it comes to the guys you like, such as Anthony Randolph, McGee and whoever else, you say they will get better, but when it comes to Gordon, you just say he has no handle and no D and make it sound like theres no chance he will get better?

6-2 222 who won a title with players built like that? The Chicago bears? What wins championships defense.
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6/18/2008  12:23 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:


6-2 222 who won a title with players built like that? The Chicago bears? What wins championships defense.

I agree with you, I was just mentioning the trend.

As you know, I'd love Randolph or Westbrook. Give me either one and I'm a happy camper. That's of course if Mayo isn't available.
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6/18/2008  12:39 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:


Gordon has no handle and he's going to have to guard players 3-6 inches taller than him. Perfect Knick smallish 42% shooter no D

Briggs the one thing I will say is.. how come when it comes to the guys you like, such as Anthony Randolph, McGee and whoever else, you say they will get better, but when it comes to Gordon, you just say he has no handle and no D and make it sound like theres no chance he will get better?

6-2 222 who won a title with players built like that? The Chicago bears? What wins championships defense.

only players that play defense & win championships are considered any good?
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6/18/2008  12:47 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:


Gordon has no handle and he's going to have to guard players 3-6 inches taller than him. Perfect Knick smallish 42% shooter no D

Briggs the one thing I will say is.. how come when it comes to the guys you like, such as Anthony Randolph, McGee and whoever else, you say they will get better, but when it comes to Gordon, you just say he has no handle and no D and make it sound like theres no chance he will get better?

6-2 222 who won a title with players built like that? The Chicago bears? What wins championships defense.

only players that play defense & win championships are considered any good?


Why did we hire D'Antonio Banderas if it's all about defense?
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6/18/2008  1:39 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:


Gordon has no handle and he's going to have to guard players 3-6 inches taller than him. Perfect Knick smallish 42% shooter no D

Briggs the one thing I will say is.. how come when it comes to the guys you like, such as Anthony Randolph, McGee and whoever else, you say they will get better, but when it comes to Gordon, you just say he has no handle and no D and make it sound like theres no chance he will get better?

6-2 222 who won a title with players built like that? The Chicago bears? What wins championships defense.

only players that play defense & win championships are considered any good?


Why did we hire D'Antonio Banderas if it's all about defense?

Wewll that is a good question that will ahve to be answered in due time. Certainly a guy like Gordon should be able to fit very well into the run and gun style--so certainly he is a serious consideration but were just not going to win big that way. In the end you find a team that can slow you down and beat you up.
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6/18/2008  7:39 AM
Posted by Elite:

im sorry but trading our #6 just to get rid of Randolph is ASININE... completely retarded.

Let D'Antoni raise his value.
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6/18/2008  9:07 AM
Posted by TMS:

we won't be in any position of strength til 2011... call it assinine or whatever else, but it's reality nonetheless... u can call cap flexibility retarded, moronic or whatever other derogatory terms you wanna throw in there, but the only moronic thing i've seen around here is this team continuing to make roster moves w/no thought to the longterm ramifications on the cap over the past decade... judging from Walsh's quoted mission statement since he got here seems to me he's of the same mind frame... but hey, what the hell does Walsh know about building successful NBA franchises.
how much cap space did Boston have last season?

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6/18/2008  9:17 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by TMS:

we won't be in any position of strength til 2011... call it assinine or whatever else, but it's reality nonetheless... u can call cap flexibility retarded, moronic or whatever other derogatory terms you wanna throw in there, but the only moronic thing i've seen around here is this team continuing to make roster moves w/no thought to the longterm ramifications on the cap over the past decade... judging from Walsh's quoted mission statement since he got here seems to me he's of the same mind frame... but hey, what the hell does Walsh know about building successful NBA franchises.
how much cap space did Boston have last season?

how many former knicks are gms on other teams and will trade us a superstar for next to nothing?

what boston did isn't a blueprint to build a champion.
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6/18/2008  9:25 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by TMS:

we won't be in any position of strength til 2011... call it assinine or whatever else, but it's reality nonetheless... u can call cap flexibility retarded, moronic or whatever other derogatory terms you wanna throw in there, but the only moronic thing i've seen around here is this team continuing to make roster moves w/no thought to the longterm ramifications on the cap over the past decade... judging from Walsh's quoted mission statement since he got here seems to me he's of the same mind frame... but hey, what the hell does Walsh know about building successful NBA franchises.
how much cap space did Boston have last season?

how many former knicks are gms on other teams and will trade us a superstar for next to nothing?

what boston did isn't a blueprint to build a champion.

there is no blueprint. there is only what is needed at the end...and that's at least one franchise/HOF type player (usually 2 or 3) and a really good defense. how you get there doesn't matter (although in most cases, the franchise/HOF player was obtained via the draft).
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6/18/2008  9:29 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by TMS:

we won't be in any position of strength til 2011... call it assinine or whatever else, but it's reality nonetheless... u can call cap flexibility retarded, moronic or whatever other derogatory terms you wanna throw in there, but the only moronic thing i've seen around here is this team continuing to make roster moves w/no thought to the longterm ramifications on the cap over the past decade... judging from Walsh's quoted mission statement since he got here seems to me he's of the same mind frame... but hey, what the hell does Walsh know about building successful NBA franchises.
how much cap space did Boston have last season?

how many former knicks are gms on other teams and will trade us a superstar for next to nothing?

what boston did isn't a blueprint to build a champion.
your right there... before Boston (and Detroit) the only blueprint for winning a title was to DRAFT a superstar franchise player and build around him. That how EVERY title had been won previously.

However look around the league at the number of all star players that have been traded, many in mere salary dumps. Its almost silly when you think about it. This notion of giving up assets (draft picks) to clear cap space for player that have like a 1.5% chance of leaving their team is so foolish I just cant get my head around it. Meanwhile you have all star players left and right being traded and moved around, many for expiring contracts to save a losing franchise money.

Why we arent looking to load our roster full of these guys is beyond me. MAybe people are so jaded by Isiah the thought of paying guys freaks them out. This is NY.. we have never cared about payroll, only wins.

And back to the blueprint there are now 2 teams that won titles by TRADING for players. Where is the franchise that turned everything around with cap space?

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6/18/2008  9:34 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by TMS:

we won't be in any position of strength til 2011... call it assinine or whatever else, but it's reality nonetheless... u can call cap flexibility retarded, moronic or whatever other derogatory terms you wanna throw in there, but the only moronic thing i've seen around here is this team continuing to make roster moves w/no thought to the longterm ramifications on the cap over the past decade... judging from Walsh's quoted mission statement since he got here seems to me he's of the same mind frame... but hey, what the hell does Walsh know about building successful NBA franchises.
how much cap space did Boston have last season?

how many former knicks are gms on other teams and will trade us a superstar for next to nothing?

what boston did isn't a blueprint to build a champion.
your right there... before Boston (and Detroit) the only blueprint for winning a title was to DRAFT a superstar franchise player and build around him. That how EVERY title had been won previously.

However look around the league at the number of all star players that have been traded, many in mere salary dumps. Its almost silly when you think about it. This notion of giving up assets (draft picks) to clear cap space for player that have like a 1.5% chance of leaving their team is so foolish I just cant get my head around it. Meanwhile you have all star players left and right being traded and moved around, many for expiring contracts to save a losing franchise money.

Why we arent looking to load our roster full of these guys is beyond me. MAybe people are so jaded by Isiah the thought of paying guys freaks them out. This is NY.. we have never cared about payroll, only wins.

And back to the blueprint there are now 2 teams that won titles by TRADING for players. Where is the franchise that turned everything around with cap space?


LA signed Shaq. They were a big market team, used that to draw in the Diesel. To be fair, they won three championships, not one though.
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6/18/2008  9:37 AM
common thread on both those teams are high lottery picks.

detroit: billups (3), sheed (4), rip (7)
boston: kg (5), ray (4), pierce (10)

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-18-2008 09:37 AM]
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6/18/2008  9:40 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

common thread on both those teams are high lottery picks.

detroit: billups (3), sheed (4), rip (7)
boston: kg (5), ray (4), pierce (10)

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-18-2008 09:37 AM]

and really exceptional defense, in spite of being cobbled together as FAs.

actually, wasn't KG defensive player of the year? so was big ben.


this is why I keep rooting for the JOneal trade - he's the only guy out there I can see having that kind of impact for us.
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6/18/2008  9:44 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

common thread on both those teams are high lottery picks.

detroit: billups (3), sheed (4), rip (7)
boston: kg (5), ray (4), pierce (10)

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-18-2008 09:37 AM]

and really exceptional defense, in spite of being cobbled together as FAs.

actually, wasn't KG defensive player of the year? so was big ben.


this is why I keep rooting for the JOneal trade - he's the only guy out there I can see having that kind of impact for us.

another version of the starphuck (nalod, you should've copyrited that)

marbury for o'neal + future first
malik + lee for artest

artest and o'neal automatically change the entire attitude and makeup of the team.
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6/18/2008  9:48 AM
don't they hate each other though? from indiana days? i can't see walsh putting up with Artest again.
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6/18/2008  10:44 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

don't they hate each other though? from indiana days? i can't see walsh putting up with Artest again.

O'Neal liked Artest enough to fight for him in Detroit.
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6/18/2008  11:11 AM
Posted by fishmike:

how much cap space did Boston have last season?

Whatever you say Isiah.

You should tell your boy Donnie that since he's the one who desperately wants to get under the cap.
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6/18/2008  11:13 AM
Posted by joec32033:

O'Neal liked Artest enough to fight for him in Detroit.

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6/18/2008  11:20 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

common thread on both those teams are high lottery picks.

detroit: billups (3), sheed (4), rip (7)
boston: kg (5), ray (4), pierce (10)

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-18-2008 09:37 AM]

and really exceptional defense, in spite of being cobbled together as FAs.

actually, wasn't KG defensive player of the year? so was big ben.


this is why I keep rooting for the JOneal trade - he's the only guy out there I can see having that kind of impact for us.

Wait, exceptional defense matters in order to win a championship?

Funny how there is no exception to the rule about defense when it comes to championships but D'Antonio nuthuggers want to harp on about cap space.
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