Posted by sebstar:

Posted by islesfan:

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It's the silence that should be worrying you. When Isiah talks to Dolan, we probably aren't going to hear it, neither will Walsh as Isiah's knife approaches his back.

If his hold on Dolan is to the degree to which you claim, then why would it matter if he is on the roster or not...sabotage would only be a phone call away.

Isiah staying on is just P.R, and Dolan being unwilling to pay another guy millions just to sit home and watch Judge Mathis. He's a decent talent evaluator, let him scout.

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by islesfan:

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It's the silence that should be worrying you. When Isiah talks to Dolan, we probably aren't going to hear it, neither will Walsh as Isiah's knife approaches his back.

If his hold on Dolan is to the degree to which you claim, then why would it matter if he is on the roster or not...sabotage would only be a phone call away.

Isiah staying on is just P.R, and Dolan being unwilling to pay another guy millions just to sit home and watch Judge Mathis. He's a decent talent evaluator, let him scout.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by islesfan:

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It's the silence that should be worrying you. When Isiah talks to Dolan, we probably aren't going to hear it, neither will Walsh as Isiah's knife approaches his back.

If his hold on Dolan is to the degree to which you claim, then why would it matter if he is on the roster or not...sabotage would only be a phone call away.

Isiah staying on is just P.R, and Dolan being unwilling to pay another guy millions just to sit home and watch Judge Mathis. He's a decent talent evaluator, let him scout.

I think Seb raises a great point here.

Why does it matter if Isiah is fired or not if some claim Dolan is still listening to him? If Dolan fired Isiah, he'd still be able to take his phone calls.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Ira:

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that when you buy a player out, he still has the same cap hit.

I thought the same thing but from what I now understand is that your cap hit is the cost of the buyout averaged out over the remaining years. If he signs another contract though, the yearly average of his new contract is subtracted from his former team's cap hit.

The problem with that is you have to hope that another team offers him a big enough contract to offset the cap hit you're going to take, after you buy him out for $50M.

so, ZBo has 3yrs $48M remaining on his deal, if we tell him he won't ever play again here and he can clearly get a MLE from another team and buy him out at $36M, then he signs with another team for 3yrs $15M (mle), would our cap hit only be $21M (the $36M we pay him, minus the $15M he gets from another team?)? that might actually be worth it.

How are you planning to get him to take a $12M discount? I don't think that Randolph is the type to do the Knicks any favors and leave that money on the table.

exactly... if the Knicks approach w/that he's gonna laugh in their face & tell them to pay his entire contract or else he's gonna act like a bitch the rest of the time he's here whether they play him or not... what the hell are the Knicks gonna say then? nevermind, we'll just pay you $48 mil for the next 3 years to sit on the bench? come on guys, get real here... Zach knows if the Knicks buy him out there will be teams out there willing to sign him to at least MLE dollars... he can pick & choose where he wants to go at that point... why would he give the Knicks back the money he's already owed anyway so they can dump his contract off their books? it ain't happening... stop the madness... brilliant indeed.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by islesfan:

How are you planning to get him to take a $12M discount? I don't think that Randolph is the type to do the Knicks any favors and leave that money on the table.

if he can get an MLE offer of $15M, he comes out $3M ahead and goes to a team that actually wants him.

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Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by purple012870:

Perhaps I am one, I don't know. But I know that:

-I don't want to piss away this pick to dump either lard-ass front court player we have.

-And I don't ever want to see Marbury as a Knick again. He can stay home until with find a trade partner for a player that has a deal < 2 years (i.e. J O'N) or stay home until his contract expires.

-Put a fitness requirement on Obese Snacks & when he fails, fine him / cut him in training camp. Maybe his expiring in a couple of years will be valuable trade wise, but we can't have that kind of poison on the team.

-Tell QBrick to come in under 250 lb & require him to jump over a Sunday NY Times before he gets to suit up.

-Get Sasha Vujajic via 2-3 year MLE.

-Use DJ's idea to dump EC w/ the # 6 for Seattle's # 4 plus Petro.

I am in total agreement with you. I think we all are pretty much tired of speculating and can't wait till Donnie makes his first move.

He already has. He "reassigned" Isiah and hired a head coach whose system is destined to make the Knicks the next Denver Nuggets or Golden State Warriors at best without an MVP PG and 2 freakishly athletic all star forwards.

Haven't heard a peep out of Isiah and D'Antoni was the best possible coach out there. Where's the beef?

It's the silence that should be worrying you. When Isiah talks to Dolan, we probably aren't going to hear it, neither will Walsh as Isiah's knife approaches his back.

D'Antonio was the best possible coach for what? To sell tickets and fool Knicks fans into thinking they can win a championship with him?

name your coach. So far everything you have said about Isiah is pure speculation.

What happen to letting things play out before they actually to place to judge?

Tom Thibodeau. His defense in the Finals has impressed me tremendously.

I would have had patience to let things play out if not for the idiotic reassigning of Isiah. The fact that Walsh didn't have the sense or power to fire him told me everything I needed to know.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by islesfan:

[quote]Posted by Ira:

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that when you buy a player out, he still has the same cap hit.

I thought the same thing but from what I now understand is that your cap hit is the cost of the buyout averaged out over the remaining years. If he signs another contract though, the yearly average of his new contract is subtracted from his former team's cap hit.

The problem with that is you have to hope that another team offers him a big enough contract to offset the cap hit you're going to take, after you buy him out for $50M.

so, ZBo has 3yrs $48M remaining on his deal, if we tell him he won't ever play again here and he can clearly get a MLE from another team and buy him out at $36M, then he signs with another team for 3yrs $15M (mle), would our cap hit only be $21M (the $36M we pay him, minus the $15M he gets from another team?)? that might actually be worth it.


Absolutely. It's simple math/simple business. If you cant see the ease of this deal--the benefit for ZBO--the Knicks the tean acquiring Zbo--then you've got your head where the sun doesn't shine.



[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-17-2008 6:46 PM]

Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by purple012870:

Perhaps I am one, I don't know. But I know that:

-I don't want to piss away this pick to dump either lard-ass front court player we have.

-And I don't ever want to see Marbury as a Knick again. He can stay home until with find a trade partner for a player that has a deal < 2 years (i.e. J O'N) or stay home until his contract expires.

-Put a fitness requirement on Obese Snacks & when he fails, fine him / cut him in training camp. Maybe his expiring in a couple of years will be valuable trade wise, but we can't have that kind of poison on the team.

-Tell QBrick to come in under 250 lb & require him to jump over a Sunday NY Times before he gets to suit up.

-Get Sasha Vujajic via 2-3 year MLE.

-Use DJ's idea to dump EC w/ the # 6 for Seattle's # 4 plus Petro.

I am in total agreement with you. I think we all are pretty much tired of speculating and can't wait till Donnie makes his first move.

He already has. He "reassigned" Isiah and hired a head coach whose system is destined to make the Knicks the next Denver Nuggets or Golden State Warriors at best without an MVP PG and 2 freakishly athletic all star forwards.

Haven't heard a peep out of Isiah and D'Antoni was the best possible coach out there. Where's the beef?

It's the silence that should be worrying you. When Isiah talks to Dolan, we probably aren't going to hear it, neither will Walsh as Isiah's knife approaches his back.

D'Antonio was the best possible coach for what? To sell tickets and fool Knicks fans into thinking they can win a championship with him?

name your coach. So far everything you have said about Isiah is pure speculation.

What happen to letting things play out before they actually to place to judge?

Tom Thibodeau. His defense in the Finals has impressed me tremendously.

I would have had patience to let things play out if not for the idiotic reassigning of Isiah. The fact that Walsh didn't have the sense or power to fire him told me everything I needed to know.

which is nothing.

So far no one has interviewed Tom, and maybe Tom don't want to coach.