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islesfan
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6/17/2008  2:16 PM
I don't know, why would there by rumors that the Nuggets want to trade Carmelo in the first place?


Posted: May 20, 2008
Sporting News staff reports

The New Jersey Nets are interested in a deal for Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony, according to several reports.

The New York Post writes that league sources insist the Nuggets are making Anthony available for the right price and that Nets officials already have spoken to Denver officials about a trade.

Nets GM Kiki Vandeweghe drafted Anthony during his tenure as Nuggets GM.

The Post speculates that if the Nets get the No. 1 or No. 2 pick in Tuesday night's NBA lottery, they will keep the pick and draft Michael Beasley or Derrick Rose. But if New Jersey gets the No. 3 pick or one high enough to interest the Nuggets, they might be willing to trade it to Denver in a deal for Anthony.

Reports on Monday suggested that such a trade could send the Nets' draft pick, Richard Jefferson and Marcus Williams to the Nuggets for Anthony and Marcus Camby.
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6/17/2008  2:19 PM
I just don't see that as being viable. Anonymous league sources through the NY Post doesn't do it for me. From a logical standpoint moving Melo makes no sense unless he's become a character distraction or if they could get top flight talent young talent back- not cap space. In that sense RJ+Marcus Williams+Picks is a sensible deal because the value of all those resources greatly exceeds what you could purchase through cap space.
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6/17/2008  2:30 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I just don't see that as being viable. Anonymous league sources through the NY Post doesn't do it for me. From a logical standpoint moving Melo makes no sense unless he's become a character distraction or if they could get top flight talent young talent back- not cap space. In that sense RJ+Marcus Williams+Picks is a sensible deal because the value of all those resources greatly exceeds what you could purchase through cap space.

Obviously you don't go just by NY Post sources, you call Denver and see what the deal is. If he is available then $25M off your cap next summer, 18 and 10, the 6th pick and throw in Lee if you don't think it's enough.

I don't know why they would be interested in trading him, or even if it's true, but if it is you have to try.
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6/17/2008  2:38 PM
Richard Jeffereson... Zach Randolph... yea, thats kinda the same. My bad, I got ya.

Any team would be crazy not to give up a perrenial all star so they can add Zach and Steph
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6/17/2008  2:46 PM
Curry/Marbury/Malik/Nate/Lee/Chandler/Pick#6/cash for Carmello, Nene and KMart might keep Denver from hanging up on you
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6/17/2008  4:04 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Richard Jeffereson... Zach Randolph... yea, thats kinda the same. My bad, I got ya.

Any team would be crazy not to give up a perrenial all star so they can add Zach and Steph

In terms of pure numbers, no it isn't much different. Throw in $25M+ in cap space, Lee and the #6 pick and it's better than the Nets offer.

You've been crying for months about how you need a superstar to win but don't even want to try to get the only one who is rumored to be available. If another team has a better offer that they can put together, fine, but that's no excuse to be a hypocrite. How else do you plan on getting a superstar? Pray for this years #6 pick to become one? Or maybe next year's pick which is likely to be lower after hiring D'Antonio?
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6/17/2008  4:08 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Curry/Marbury/Malik/Nate/Lee/Chandler/Pick#6/cash for Carmello, Nene and KMart might keep Denver from hanging up on you

So you just don't like my proposed trade and not the idea of trying to trade for Melo, which seemed to be your reason after your snide LeBron comment.

Glad to see you're finally coming around.
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6/17/2008  4:15 PM
Didn't know where to put this so I'm putting it here.
Suns Dangling Diaw and Barbosa

The Suns are exploring the possibility of trading for another first-round pick in next week's draft and appear willing to move Boris Diaw or Leandro Barbosa to do so, according to The East Valley Tribune.

"If we could capitalize on (the depth of the draft) and get more than one (first-round pick), we would," vice president of basketball operations David Griffin said. "If that's below us or above us, either way that's fine. It's just a potentially good opportunity to fill a few needs and address our need for youth."

Phoenix currently holds the 15th and 48th picks in the 2008 NBA Draft.

Not to say that we want any of these guys but why would the Suns consider trading one of the Top 3 candidates for 6th Man Of The Yr almost every yr on a pretty reasonable deal for a pick lower than 15?
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Posted by TrueBlue:

Didn't know where to put this so I'm putting it here.
Suns Dangling Diaw and Barbosa

The Suns are exploring the possibility of trading for another first-round pick in next week's draft and appear willing to move Boris Diaw or Leandro Barbosa to do so, according to The East Valley Tribune.

"If we could capitalize on (the depth of the draft) and get more than one (first-round pick), we would," vice president of basketball operations David Griffin said. "If that's below us or above us, either way that's fine. It's just a potentially good opportunity to fill a few needs and address our need for youth."

Phoenix currently holds the 15th and 48th picks in the 2008 NBA Draft.

Not to say that we want any of these guys but why would the Suns consider trading one of the Top 3 candidates for 6th Man Of The Yr almost every yr on a pretty reasonable deal for a pick lower than 15?

ownership is cheap. Same reason they have traded pick after pick after pick.
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6/17/2008  4:38 PM
Bottom line here since we are talkin about Denver.....

Denver sucks!!!

Allen Iverson alone you can build a team around.....but no.....these **** heads have Iverson and Carmelo. They have one of the best defensive centers in the game who also happens to be a great athlete. They have Kmart who happens to be one of the nastiest/athletic defensive power fwds in the league regardless of knee problems. They have kleiza and JR Smith who are major 6th men in this league and should be able to start sometime in their career.

Fuck them. How in the hell does a team that stacked not dominate a league? Its complete bull****.

How bout we trade the Knicks roster for Denvers roster. George Karl is a drunk bastard.

Anyway, Knicks should try to get someone. They have theb technology.
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6/17/2008  4:42 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Bottom line here since we are talkin about Denver.....

Denver sucks!!!

Allen Iverson alone you can build a team around.....but no.....these **** heads have Iverson and Carmelo. They have one of the best defensive centers in the game who also happens to be a great athlete. They have Kmart who happens to be one of the nastiest/athletic defensive power fwds in the league regardless of knee problems. They have kleiza and JR Smith who are major 6th men in this league and should be able to start sometime in their career.

Fuck them. How in the hell does a team that stacked not dominate a league? Its complete bull****.

How bout we trade the Knicks roster for Denvers roster. George Karl is a drunk bastard.

Anyway, Knicks should try to get someone. They have theb technology.

Denver's main problem is basically that George Karl is a tremendous ass of a coach.
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6/17/2008  4:49 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Bottom line here since we are talkin about Denver.....

Denver sucks!!!

Allen Iverson alone you can build a team around.....but no.....these **** heads have Iverson and Carmelo. They have one of the best defensive centers in the game who also happens to be a great athlete. They have Kmart who happens to be one of the nastiest/athletic defensive power fwds in the league regardless of knee problems. They have kleiza and JR Smith who are major 6th men in this league and should be able to start sometime in their career.

Fuck them. How in the hell does a team that stacked not dominate a league? Its complete bull****.

How bout we trade the Knicks roster for Denvers roster. George Karl is a drunk bastard.

Anyway, Knicks should try to get someone. They have theb technology.

They suck because their system sucks. Nobody has ever won playing run and gun. They're a perfect example of how you can't rely on a single player to make your team defense better. With a more deliberate system built around AI and Melo and an attention to actually playing defense, they could have been much better. They had the pieces but the wrong coach and the wrong system.

You'll be lucky to see what I'm talking about in a few years with the Knicks.
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6/17/2008  5:54 PM
Eny, for Marion, T-Mac or JO i would give up Marbs' expiring in a heartbeat... neither JO or T-Mac are gonna kill our cap situation in 2010 & Marion is an elite SF in the league, probably better than anyone we can hope to get in the draft & he actually blocks shots, plays defense & can knock down shots on the perimeter... we already know he's perfect for Mike D's system... i wouldn't give up the #6 for him just cuz we'd probably have to sign him to a big money extension in a S&T, but i would definitely throw in Chandler, Balk, Lee, Nate, Jamal or whoever else MIA would want in that deal... Marion is nice.

no chance we have anything MIA would want for D Wade bro... no thanks to Baron, i'd rather just let Marbury's contract expire than sign him to any longterm max money extensions... we have way too many repetitive style players who launch up shots & play no D.
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6/17/2008  6:07 PM
D'Antoni just traded away Marion - would he really want him back? It seemed like Marion was a major bad attitude in Phoenix towards the end of he and D'Antoni's run there. I doubt D'Antoni would want Marion back.

JOneal makes the most sense to me out of anything we can get for Marbury - he's low risk/ high reward. It's a good move for us.
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6/17/2008  6:49 PM
Jermaine is the only player that clearly makes the most sense in a straight up deal for Marbs........the main, MAIN thing with that is that if they were to do this and they should.....they must, MUST trade Zach AND Curry. Jermaine has to be seen as the starting Center. After that a decision has to be made on david lee. Is he a the perminant starter or what? If not then trash him for help elsewhere. I personally think he should go in this Jermaine trade bringing in shawne williams too. That trade is more than even.

After that, the Knicks must laterally trade zach some kinda way, same with Curry. Point guard being the major concern. Mo williams is a guy that sticks out cuz The Bucks are openly shopping him. It would be great to have him @ point.

Right then and there the Knicks have already improved defense and rebounding. I keep saying that Shawne Williams is gonna be stephan jackson. Don't look now but the Knicks have a brand new team.

Lee
Artest
Jermaine
Mo williams
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Booyaka! Can D'antoni coach this team? Can they win? I think so. If mo goes down, **** man, Nate is here.....Wilson and jared can play power fwd. Some people wanna sign sasha from LA. Wtf....its not that hard.

I wanna see what Donnie does man I'm kinda frustrated.

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Posted by crzymdups:

D'Antoni just traded away Marion - would he really want him back? It seemed like Marion was a major bad attitude in Phoenix towards the end of he and D'Antoni's run there. I doubt D'Antoni would want Marion back.

JOneal makes the most sense to me out of anything we can get for Marbury - he's low risk/ high reward. It's a good move for us.

Kerr wanted Shaq. I don't think he had a problem with the players or coach. He was pissed that he was hearing his name involved in rumors like it was his fault. He felt disrespected that way. Do you blame him?
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6/17/2008  7:10 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Do you guys realize how massive his contract is? Its the biggest trading pawn in basketball. It has to be looked upon that way. Its a **** load to dump at one time......that's almost an entire teams starting line-up/rotation.

Donnie has already said countless times he is looking to get under the cap in 2010....fine......but there are some serious talent out there that can be had for the massive nut that is Marbury's contract.

I'll throw out the names:
Marion
Maybe Wade
Jermaine O'neal
Maybe Tracy Mcgrady
Baron Davis

I mean you can run a list if you comb the league. This contract can reset a lot of teams.....

Add #6?!?!? And its the an atom bomb.

Any bright ideas?

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Posted by EnySpree:

Do you guys realize how massive his contract is? Its the biggest trading pawn in basketball. It has to be looked upon that way. Its a **** load to dump at one time......that's almost an entire teams starting line-up/rotation.

Donnie has already said countless times he is looking to get under the cap in 2010....fine......but there are some serious talent out there that can be had for the massive nut that is Marbury's contract.

I'll throw out the names:
Marion
Maybe Wade
Jermaine O'neal
Maybe Tracy Mcgrady
Baron Davis

I mean you can run a list if you comb the league. This contract can reset a lot of teams.....

Add #6?!?!? And its the an atom bomb.

Any bright ideas?

Accidental blank post on the last one, but I do not like any of those trade ideas. Sounds like things Isiah would do probably add future picks as well as the 6th.

To me its still very simple, we rebuild througgh the draft and we need to be patient.
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6/17/2008  8:18 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by crzymdups:

D'Antoni just traded away Marion - would he really want him back? It seemed like Marion was a major bad attitude in Phoenix towards the end of he and D'Antoni's run there. I doubt D'Antoni would want Marion back.

JOneal makes the most sense to me out of anything we can get for Marbury - he's low risk/ high reward. It's a good move for us.

Kerr wanted Shaq. I don't think he had a problem with the players or coach. He was pissed that he was hearing his name involved in rumors like it was his fault. He felt disrespected that way. Do you blame him?

He said he'd rather be the main guy on a mediocre team than the third guy on a successful team. He was pouting about numbers/touches. His attitude was as much a reason for that trade as the opportunity to add Shaq.
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