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Who can the Yankees trade for to fill the hole in the rotation til he gets back?
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6/20/2008  11:42 PM
Hughes & Austin Jackson for Oswalt i'd probably do, but i doubt Cash would... we have enough young depth in the OF between Melky, Gardner & Tabata & we can always sign a FA veteran to fill a corner OF spot if need be.

if this team keeps winning though i can pretty much guarantee no big trades will be made at the Allstar break... Wang, Kennedy & Hughes are all slated to be back before the end of the season so i think Cash is gonna target a salary dump type acquisition for a veteran who won't command any of our top prospects as a stopgap if he needs to.
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6/23/2008  2:56 AM
some red flags surrounding Bedard here:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06222008/sports/mets/valentine_s_jays_116698.htm?page=2
The Mariners, now in full rebuild mode, are determining the market for Erik Bedard. But one NL official said, "They are not going to get anywhere near what they gave up." Seattle surrendered a five-player package last winter that includes current Orioles closer George Sherrill and seeming star-to-be center fielder Adam Jones. But one scout said the deal doesn't end there, raving about 6-foot-5 Double-A righty Chris Tillman. "He is 20. He is 7-2 [2.67 ERA]. He is a big, strong kid with a 94-95 mph fastball, a plus curveball that buckles righty hitters, a pretty good changeup, and he is a strike thrower. He has the whole works. Now I know why [Bill] Bavasi [recently fired as Seattle GM] lost his job."

And Bedard has made himself tough to move by accentuating the two questionable parts of his reputation: a standoffish personality, especially when it comes to media relations (which would make him a tougher sell in New York and Boston) and - more important - he is soft. He pulled himself after three shutout innings Friday with back spasms. One Mariners official said, "This guy begs out of more games than anyone I ever seen in my life."

you have to wonder just how serious this is considering the team that's looking to trade this guy is the source of where these comments are coming from... not sure if this guy is cutout for NY.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-22-2008 11:57 PM]
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6/23/2008  12:44 PM
Posted by TMS:

some red flags surrounding Bedard here:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06222008/sports/mets/valentine_s_jays_116698.htm?page=2
The Mariners, now in full rebuild mode, are determining the market for Erik Bedard. But one NL official said, "They are not going to get anywhere near what they gave up." Seattle surrendered a five-player package last winter that includes current Orioles closer George Sherrill and seeming star-to-be center fielder Adam Jones. But one scout said the deal doesn't end there, raving about 6-foot-5 Double-A righty Chris Tillman. "He is 20. He is 7-2 [2.67 ERA]. He is a big, strong kid with a 94-95 mph fastball, a plus curveball that buckles righty hitters, a pretty good changeup, and he is a strike thrower. He has the whole works. Now I know why [Bill] Bavasi [recently fired as Seattle GM] lost his job."

And Bedard has made himself tough to move by accentuating the two questionable parts of his reputation: a standoffish personality, especially when it comes to media relations (which would make him a tougher sell in New York and Boston) and - more important - he is soft. He pulled himself after three shutout innings Friday with back spasms. One Mariners official said, "This guy begs out of more games than anyone I ever seen in my life."

you have to wonder just how serious this is considering the team that's looking to trade this guy is the source of where these comments are coming from... not sure if this guy is cutout for NY.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-22-2008 11:57 PM]

Yeah, I'm cooling on him. That's surprising considering how tough he was on the Yankees. Maybe he's just saving it because he's on such a bad team. That still doesn't say much about the guy.
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6/23/2008  2:14 PM
the more Yankee articles i read the more i hear Brian Fuentes' name mentioned... w/our need for a lefty setup man in the pen he would be a perfect addition but i can't imagine they'd give up any top prospects for him considering he's already 32 & a pending a FA at the end of the season.

who do u think would be suitable trade prospects if we were to go after him?
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6/23/2008  3:17 PM
2 midlevel prospects.

Horne and Wright.
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6/23/2008  3:37 PM
i think it would take at least 2 B prospects... i'd rate Wright a C or D at this point.

what if COL wanted Melancon or Cox instead of Wright in that package? would u do it?
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6/23/2008  3:45 PM
Posted by TMS:

i think it would take at least 2 B prospects... i'd rate Wright a C or D at this point.

what if COL wanted Melancon or Cox instead of Wright in that package? would u do it?

If they think they could re-sign Fuentes, then I'd be willing to add Cox. Not giving up Melancon.
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6/23/2008  3:54 PM
he'll be an A rated FA so whatever we give up has to be better than the 2 compensatory picks they get if he signs w/another team in free agency... Cox was the higher pick when he got drafted & both have showed some nice promise in the minors... just curious why you chose Eminem over Cox? do u think he's gonna be the next Joba like they're hyping him up to be?
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6/23/2008  11:33 PM
Posted by TMS:

he'll be an A rated FA so whatever we give up has to be better than the 2 compensatory picks they get if he signs w/another team in free agency... Cox was the higher pick when he got drafted & both have showed some nice promise in the minors... just curious why you chose Eminem over Cox? do u think he's gonna be the next Joba like they're hyping him up to be?

That's an excellent point about compensatory picks. I think Cox can be really good but based on what I've read about both guys, I think Melancon has a better mental makeup to survive in the Yankees bullpen. That's not to say that Cox is a mental midget, not at all. I think he can be successful here as well but there's just something about Melancon that tells me that he's made for NY. For example, after his TJ surgery the Yankees allowed him to rehab in Arizona instead of in Tampa because they knew he was so serious about his rehab.

This article on him from the NY Times is what really sold me on him and if I had to choose between the 2, I would keep Melancon. I'd rather keep both but Cox can be expendable in the right deal, Melancon isn't. At least in my mind.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/sports/baseball/06pitcher.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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6/24/2008  2:37 AM
i've heard a lot about Melancon's mental makeup & no doubt i understand why you would be hesitant to give that kid up... bottomline i think both those kids can be nice additions to any bullpen... i don't envy Cashman to have to make these tough decisions, that's for sure... at least we can finally talk about having kids like this to offer other teams now... what a change from just 3 years ago.
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6/27/2008  10:35 PM
Hey out of Demaso Marte, Brian Fuentes and Jonathan Sanchez who would you rather have? I like Sanchez the most. He's about 6 years younger than these other two and he can also start games as well as relieve. Very versatile. There were discussions in the off-season about getting Sanchez for Matsui before talks broke down. I like this kid. What would it take to get him?
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6/27/2008  11:02 PM
Sanchez by far but he'd also come at a premium... talented young lefty relievers are a rare commodity & the Bucks will want a premium prospect in return for him.

Marte has been talked about so long i can't believe no deal has gotten done yet... i think the only reason he isn't already a Yankee is because his contract is not all that unbearable at $2 mil... still, i would think a team like Pittsburgh should be looking to dump guys like that to save on their payroll if they can get back a halfway decent prospect in return, & those are the types of guys the Yankees have been able to pick up on the cheap in past dealings.

i think right now our most realistic option to attain a lefty setup guy is Fuentes, cuz he's making a closer's salary right now & his team is falling out of the race... i'm thinking maybe we can throw them a pair of our 2nd tier prospects like Cox & Gonzo along w/a major league ready arm like Jose Veras & cash... not sure if the Rockies are ready to give up on the season just yet tho, especially after that crazy run they made last season to close out the season.

we may just have to go w/what we have in the farm system, unless TOR decides they wanna unload 1 of their 4 lefties in their bullpen... deals w/teams in the division are tough to swing but they're falling outta this thing so if we offer up some decent prospects i'm thinking a deal might be possible... i would love to add any 1 of those 4 guys to our pen.
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6/28/2008  12:40 PM
Posted by TMS:

Sanchez by far but he'd also come at a premium... talented young lefty relievers are a rare commodity & the Bucks will want a premium prospect in return for him.

Marte has been talked about so long i can't believe no deal has gotten done yet... i think the only reason he isn't already a Yankee is because his contract is not all that unbearable at $2 mil... still, i would think a team like Pittsburgh should be looking to dump guys like that to save on their payroll if they can get back a halfway decent prospect in return, & those are the types of guys the Yankees have been able to pick up on the cheap in past dealings.

i think right now our most realistic option to attain a lefty setup guy is Fuentes, cuz he's making a closer's salary right now & his team is falling out of the race... i'm thinking maybe we can throw them a pair of our 2nd tier prospects like Cox & Gonzo along w/a major league ready arm like Jose Veras & cash... not sure if the Rockies are ready to give up on the season just yet tho, especially after that crazy run they made last season to close out the season.

we may just have to go w/what we have in the farm system, unless TOR decides they wanna unload 1 of their 4 lefties in their bullpen... deals w/teams in the division are tough to swing but they're falling outta this thing so if we offer up some decent prospects i'm thinking a deal might be possible... i would love to add any 1 of those 4 guys to our pen.

Before anything, would you consider promoting a lefty from within first? Wilkins Arias looks like he could be ready for a shot. I might try this kid out first before surrendering any prospects in a deal. If you read the scouting reports it looks like he's got a similar arsenal to Marte and Fuentes, maybe even better stuff.

From Patrick Teale at PinstripePlus.com - 3 above average pitches:

--4 seam fastball at 91-95 mph, 2 seamer at 90-92 with good sink (tells me he's equipped to get Ks and groundballs)
--slider at 85-87 which he's come a long way with, it's now a legit strikeout pitch
--improved changeup that used to be a flat BP fastball but he learned to take more off - now much more effective sitting 81-83

A converted starter with good command. Rubber arm. Pitches relaxed and doesn't buckle under pressure. Currently 3-0, 2.54 era in 23 games for the Tampa class A Yankees, 1 SV, 39 innings, 38 hits, only 1 HR, 10 BB, 54 K's, .250 BAA (lefties hitting only .173 against him). I also like the fact that he's 28 years old so even though he's in class A ball you would think he's not a kid that's gonna get intimidated out there. He should be able to handle a class A to the majors jump. Plus he only has a few seasons of professional ball under his belt coming from the DR in 2004 so he's got a young arm for a 28-year-old. Could be a left-handed Jose Veras. This could be our guy right here TMS. What do you think?



[Edited by - finestrg on 06-28-2008 12:46 PM]
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6/28/2008  5:00 PM
he's putting up those #'s at Tampa class A, i don't we can translate those to the majors just yet... class A to the majors is a huge jump... i dunno anything about that guy to be honest so i can't really give u a qualified opinion other than to say we'd probably have to try him out at AAA to see how he does before he becomes a viable option.

our farm system is pretty barren when it comes to lefty relievers... Billy Traber's the most major league ready guy, that tells u all u need to know... i think we'll have to go w/our righty guys like Edwar Ramirez who have good #'s against lefty batters for now until we can find a willing trade partner who doesn't want a ridiculous package of prospects in return... unfortunately as u saw last year w/the Matsui/Sanchez trade rumors, quality lefty arms don't come cheap these days.

of course we can always try Kei Igawa as our lefty setup man.
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6/28/2008  7:43 PM
Posted by TMS:

he's putting up those #'s at Tampa class A, i don't we can translate those to the majors just yet... class A to the majors is a huge jump... i dunno anything about that guy to be honest so i can't really give u a qualified opinion other than to say we'd probably have to try him out at AAA to see how he does before he becomes a viable option.

our farm system is pretty barren when it comes to lefty relievers... Billy Traber's the most major league ready guy, that tells u all u need to know... i think we'll have to go w/our righty guys like Edwar Ramirez who have good #'s against lefty batters for now until we can find a willing trade partner who doesn't want a ridiculous package of prospects in return... unfortunately as u saw last year w/the Matsui/Sanchez trade rumors, quality lefty arms don't come cheap these days.

of course we can always try Kei Igawa as our lefty setup man.

As always a valid opinion from a good sports mind. TMS, you wanna laugh - check out the reaction some of these clowns (this dude 'inger' in particular can go scratch) over at pinstripesplus.com gave me. Inger flashing me the cukoo sign. HAHA!!! Funny stuff....

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6/28/2008  7:54 PM
lol... looks like u have ur own nemesis over there that you get into it with bro.
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7/23/2008  10:48 PM
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assuming Dan Geise is only a stopgap solution, who do u guys think are realistic trade options for the Yankees to pursue right now?

CC's name has been tossed around but i don't see the Yankees paying the fare in terms of prospect to land him when they could simply wait til free agency to lock him up w/o giving up any prospects.

a few other names being tossed around include Erik Bedard, Randy Wolf, Kevin Millwood, Gil Meche, AJ Burnett... then there are lower tier guys like Miguel Batista, Carlos Silva... i've even heard Freddy Garcia's name mentioned in some rumors.

how about Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera & Alan Horne for Zack Greinke? the kid is a young up & coming stud at 24 so this is the type of acquisition i would have no problem giving up a package of prospects for... we just drafted & signed his little brother & the Yanks were rumored to be in talks to acquire Zack over the offseason.

a lesser deal i wouldn't mind seeing is for someone like Jarrod Washburn... he's a lefty & has pitched some big games over his career... would seem like we could get someone like that at a relative bargain.

looks like the Jarrod Washburn rumors are starting to pop up in the media... we could probably get him in 1 of those "player to be named later" type deals.

Cashman is also taking a close look at our own prospect Alfredo Aceves, either as a starting option or as a possible piece to use in a trade.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyside235773980jul23,0,1198188.story
Yankees eye Washburn, minor-leaguer Aceves

BY KEN DAVIDOFF | ken.davidoff@newsday.com
July 23, 2008

As they look for ways to upgrade their starting rotation, the Yankees are considering both internal and external options. Brian Cashman watched Alfredo Aceves pitch for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barres last night, and the team has expressed an interest in Seattle lefthander Jarrod Washburn.

Aceves, limited to 65 pitches (as reported by the Times-Tribune in Scranton), pitched three innings against Richmond, allowing two runs, three hits and two walks and striking out six. A 25-year-old righthander, Aceves has surged through the Yankees' minor-league system this year, putting up a 1.92 ERA in 108 innings, striking out 87 and walking just 16.

He began the season at Class A Tampa and has now pitched four games for Scranton, the first two as a reliever. His low pitch count reflected that he is being stretched back out into a starter's role.

Meanwhile, the Yankees didn't make serious bids for elite starting pitchers such as CC Sabathia (who went from Cleveland to Milwaukee) and Rich Harden (who went from Oakland to the Cubs), but they do have some interest in Washburn, a lefthander who will turn 34 next month. ESPN first reported the Yankees' pursuit of Washburn.

In his third year with the Mariners, Washburn has a 4-9 record and 4.75 ERA, with 32 walks and 65 strikeouts in 110 innings. Washburn is signed through 2009, with a $10.35-million salary, so Seattle is not in a position to ask the Yankees for a strong package of talent.
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Who can the Yankees trade for to fill the hole in the rotation til he gets back?

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