Who the hell did Puffy shoot? Get ya facts straight, please. That man knows how to make money, and can turn the Knicks into a lucrative cash cow. At the same time his name WILL help bring players here, which will end up helping us WIN. Dammit, he CARES, and that's what we need. Mark Cuban is no better than him. Most players in the NBA know who he is and what he's capable of, which is a far cry from Dolan's backwards ***.

Posted by masterjedidarkcaster:

Who the hell did Puffy shoot? Get ya facts straight, please. That man knows how to make money, and can turn the Knicks into a lucrative cash cow. At the same time his name WILL help bring players here, which will end up helping us WIN. Dammit, he CARES, and that's what we need. Mark Cuban is no better than him. Most players in the NBA know who he is and what he's capable of, which is a far cry from Dolan's backwards ***.

Good post, man. Good post.

Is this nwny really Playa? The sound so alike.

Diddy is a business man. And business men invest to GAIN A PROFIT. So, if Diddy buys the Knicks, he is going to work his butt of to make a profit, which means putting out a better product for the people to buy, generating revenue through gate sales, merchandising, etc. and getting rid of wasted money players and dead weight GMs and other organizational setbacks.

You haters.... I mean people are just afraid that he might actually SUCCEED and you won't get to whine about how Allan doesn't get enough props or how Spree is a waste. Then your lives won't have any meaning anymore. God forbid for that.

Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Posted by nwny:

This thread is cracking me up. "Yeah man, all the young players will want to come play for diddy!" Hysterical junk like that is usually posted by the same guys who say we should trade the whole team for Shaq.
Let me be more clear. David Stern and the rest of the owners are not going sell an NBA team to guy who is just as likely to be make great business deals as he is likely to get arrested shooting someone in nightclub. Did he shot someone? It doesn't matter the point is the NBA is a business and they don't need the players AND owners on trail. Damn! Mark Cuban is not going to be arrested for anything except wearing shirts that are too tight!

[Edited by - nwny on 07/23/2003 20:43:52]

Who the hell did Puffy shoot? Get ya facts straight, please. That man knows how to make money, and can turn the Knicks into a lucrative cash cow. At the same time his name WILL help bring players here, which will end up helping us WIN. Dammit, he CARES, and that's what we need. Mark Cuban is no better than him. Most players in the NBA know who he is and what he's capable of, which is a far cry from Dolan's backwards ***.

Posted by sebstar:

I’m not so sure that I am crazy about your tone NWNY… You get your “who is he going to shoot next in the club” stupidity thrown back in you grill, so then you backpedal and bring up the beat down Puff gave to Steve Stoute. So now Puff is unqualified to join the ranks of Sports owners because he got into a fight 5 yrs ago?? Hate to burst your bubble, but these owners aren't pure and innocent just because they are rich and white, just go ahead and pull the proverbial rock up on their lives and see what kind of foul things you see rolling around. Even your boy Cuban..

Speaking of which, lets not act as if Cuban cured cancer over there in Dallas. Basically all he did was hand everything over to Don Nelson, and put Playstation 2’s and big screen t.v’s in every bathroom and locker room while injecting some youthful energy that ran counter to the stuffy James Dolan’s of the world, which attracted young NBA talent like a magnet. Puff could do that without getting out of bed. Why are you trying to confuse Mark Cuban with Red Auerbach?

And if you want to ignore Puff’s pop culture cachet and how that would affect young NBA players who might want that kind of rub, then you are even more sheltered then you act.

And believe me, if this deal gets to the point where the last hurdle is the owners ok, that wouldn’t even be an issue. If they said no based on whatever hang up they have over young black men, then all hell would break loose, the pressure on them would be enormous. Besides, Puff being around probably means higher ratings and more money in their pocket,…what more do they possibly care about? The NBA is not some bastion of morality, it’s a money obsessed league where the bottom line is the bottom line, Puff should fit right in snuggly

In any event, can I suggest one thing, PLEASE slow down on all of that tough guy talk. The internet needs nerds giving out “cyber black eyes” about as much as the Knicks need more boring soft jump shooters who act like it’s a sin to drive to the basket.


The Knicks Committment to Mediocrity...JUST GET ALONG BABY

Sebstar
First of all I didn't back pedal. I clarified my point. Learn the difference
Second Cuban is not my boy. All I said was he's unlikely to get arrested for the same thing Puff's got arrested for. I think that's a fair statement. How did that make him Red Arbach? Did I say he was a great owner? Did I say he did anything spectacular? READ the post before you accuse me of anything.
As for what YOU said about him, that's totally false! How did PS2's "attract young NBA talent like a magnet". Let's look at the team:
Dirk, and Josh Howard, were drafted. Nash, Finley, Van Ex, Najera, La frentz, Johnson, Bradley, and Wahed were all traded for.
Griffin, Eschmeyer, and Bell were "attracted like magnets (a.k.a. free agents). Yeah those big screen TV's are really attracting young talent like magnets.

Why should I go any further when you can't come with the facts.

But I will 'cause there more to correct.
I don't care if you don't like my tone. I'm not hear for you to like me or my tone.
As for Puff, here comes some more clarifying. Don't let it scare you.
If you don't think his image, perceived or real, will prevent him from owning a team, you're the one that's sheltered. Clearly he's qualified to own a team. He runs a 294 million dollar empire. But all that is irrelevant, because who the owner is doesn't bring players to a team. Have you ever heard any free agent go to team because of an owner?
Name a single NBA player that has said that they signed with a team because of the owner.
As for giving their blessing on the purchase of team. Those meetings are secret you don't know anything about them. You don't know why Bird got rejected and Robert Johnson was given the OK the buy the Charlotte team. (My guess the owners thought it would be good idea to have a black owner. I don't know, and neither do you. How can there be public outrage over something the public knows nothing about. All you can do is guess. That and some gloves, will keep your hands warm. Tell me why did the four pervious owners get rejected when they tried to purchase ATL but this group was accepted? Exactly. You don't know.

Since one good turn deserves another, here's a suggestion for you. Read the post carefully, don't put words in others people's mouth, and don't give out unwanted advice.
As for the black eye. You gave it to youself by coming with specualtion and hyperbole instead of facts.

Posted by sebstar:

If you want to play a game of semantics, NWNY fine…Point being is that Mark Cuban has created a fun and loose atmosphere that all of the Mavs player rave about, as well as the rest of the league…These guys are re-signing aren’t they? Most NBA players would sprain their ankles running over to get with that franchise. Its a great team and a great franchise. Using Cuban as the template, Puff can do the same…Puff without question is legitimate owner material. I made it clear in my first post that he wont be the GM, and he has to hire good basketball people around him to make good decisions.

That being said, as an aside, being the owner in a league that is dominated by young black males who are products of the hip hop generation, they would be more apt to play for the Knicks and Puffy in NY…But I guess that’s a “wild” assumption…I have a hard time figuring out why you keep arguing with me about that.

Our basic premise is one that you finally agreed to. That Puff is more than qualified to own an NBA team, and that he can save us from this Dolan nightmare we cant wake up from. That was the pulse of the thread until you came in here with all of this who will he shoot next…there is no way he can own a team b.s…Now as far as your owners objection argument, that really is just adding speculation on top of speculation. And for somebody who is obsessed with “facts” , sounding like a bad episode of dragnet, I can’t understand why you cling so hard to something that you have no idea how it would play out.

(Concerning Bird vs. Johnson Charlotte battle for the Charlotte franchise, Bird doesn’t have any money, so there was like 15,000 different investors as opposed to just Robert Johnson on the other side. A gaggle of different investors rarely works, so that fact probably had more to do with Bird’s rejection more then anything)

If Dolan does agree to sell the Knicks (which I don’t think he will, because he is along with Layden determined to crush the souls of Knicks b-ball fans), I am not concerned with the owners saying no, I think with all the good Puff would bring that’s a given. You say no. Great, but as much as you would like to convince yourself, your prognostications are not facts.

Unless you have true soothsaying abilities, if so then make your self useful and hook a brotha up with some powerball numbers or something.