Posted by BRIGGS:

I really think its a wait and see brcause we hired a 68 year old GM. We also brought in a coach accustmoed to winning 58 games who's only personell moves were Marcus Banks Jurmaine Jones and Jalen Rose. This is a combustible starphucing scenario IMHO.
I was hoping that we could grab a couple of nice lottery picks over this year and next year and set up for FA in 2010 or 2011[2010 is very tough] Im willing to be patient--nothing happens over night--NO kgs are coming here. We already haev blown so many lottery picks. Nothing has happened yet but I have a bad feeling. I know some people might say yeah Mike Redd for pick 6 but that is an Isiah Thomas/Scott Layden move that has been pulled opff with Mcdyess Marbury Crawford and Curry--and where has that brought us?

I don't see the point in waiting for 2010 or 2011. There is no guarnatee you will get LeBron, Bosh or anyone else of star quality in the FA market. All you might get are second tier star players like a Rashard Lewis or a Joe Johnson type player. And if you think about it Redd fits that category of player so why wait get the deal done today and start getting draft picks and get rid of the crap that hinders chemistry. Quicker you build the team the better off you are especially if the team has to face a winning curve.

Redd is better than Ray Allen. All we need after that is Artest and Curry to lose 70 pounds

Posted by Ira:

Posted by Anji:

Redd+8 for Zach+6


That's a deal you move down for!!!!!!!!!!1

That's the deal I'd go for. Then I'd follow it by offering David Lee + pick 8 to Memphis for pick 5 and pick 28. I'd use the 5th pick to get Kevin Love. With the 28th pick, I'd go bpa.

They're give up the much better, much more tradeable player and all you're offering is to move down 2 spots? I really can't see them doing it. I really don't think they'd do the trade I mentioned either: Zach + pick 6 for Redd. I think most people here don't appreciate how much of a deal killer Zach is.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Ira:

Posted by Anji:

Redd+8 for Zach+6


That's a deal you move down for!!!!!!!!!!1

That's the deal I'd go for. Then I'd follow it by offering David Lee + pick 8 to Memphis for pick 5 and pick 28. I'd use the 5th pick to get Kevin Love. With the 28th pick, I'd go bpa.

They're give up the much better, much more tradeable player and all you're offering is to move down 2 spots? I really can't see them doing it. I really don't think they'd do the trade I mentioned either: Zach + pick 6 for Redd. I think most people here don't appreciate how much of a deal killer Zach is.

If they turned down Zach for Simmons and Gadz why on earth would they agree to Zach + 6 for Redd + 8 when there is absolutely no difference between pick 6 and 8 meanwhile there are huge player differences between Redd and Zach?

UNREAL THINKING on this board.

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[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-15-2008 1:47 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

If they left pick 6 out of the equation I wouldnt care about acquiring Redd. Pick 6 is way to much to give someone plus taking back all of the cap $$$. Realistically we cant get to FA until 2011 so if they feel that Mike Redd would be a nice cog in this sysetm--I have no problem with that as LONG as they dont overpay. If they want to sign Artest and trade for Redd--if that is what they believe--fine but take the pick. If thinbs fail we will have FA in 2011 and some nice young peices.

You're confused. (Maybe you're losing your bearings?) You're not taking back any cap money in a Zach/Redd deal. You're actually HELPING the cap situation by doing this trade because you're getting the more tradeable player whom you could easily trade for an expiring contract and a late 1st round pick if you wanted cap space. Also, Redd has a player option in the final year whereas Zach has guaranteed money. You can promise Redd to give him a back-loaded contract starting at around $8 mil a year. Then you've taken $10 mil off the cap in 2010/11. (His salary of $18 mil - the new salary of $8 mil.) You have many good options with Redd, including the most obvious one: Just keeping a very good player. You have no good options with Zach.

Here, hopefully this will clarify your confusion: http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

to get Redd it would have to involved both Jamal & Jefferies, or Zach... otherwise, pass.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

If they left pick 6 out of the equation I wouldnt care about acquiring Redd. Pick 6 is way to much to give someone plus taking back all of the cap $$$. Realistically we cant get to FA until 2011 so if they feel that Mike Redd would be a nice cog in this sysetm--I have no problem with that as LONG as they dont overpay. If they want to sign Artest and trade for Redd--if that is what they believe--fine but take the pick. If thinbs fail we will have FA in 2011 and some nice young peices.

You're confused. (Maybe you're losing your bearings?) You're not taking back any cap money in a Zach/Redd deal. You're actually HELPING the cap situation by doing this trade because you're getting the more tradeable player whom you could easily trade for an expiring contract and a late 1st round pick if you wanted cap space. Also, Redd has a player option in the final year whereas I don't count hZach has guaranteed money. You can promise Redd to give him a back-loaded contract starting at around $8 mil a year. Then you've taken $10 mil off the cap in 2010/11. (His salary of $18 mil - the new salary of $8 mil.) You have many good options with Redd, including the most obvious one: Just keeping a very good player. You have no good options with Zach.

Here, hopefully this will clarify your confusion: http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

Where did I say anything about Zach--I was talking about Marburys ending contract. It sounds like you have a Zach Randolph fetish or something. I think I made myself clear about Zach--I would begin a termination process and after reading parst of the cBA I think they have a great case to suspend him without pay indefinitely setting up what I believe could be a.50 buyout scenario. I dont want to trade zach I want to fire him.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-15-2008 4:42 PM]

Posted by McK1:

i've read where bucks fans on realgm have called redd somewhat of an uncoachable cancer with an unmoveable contract

sounds like a perfect complement for Zach & Marbs.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

If they left pick 6 out of the equation I wouldnt care about acquiring Redd. Pick 6 is way to much to give someone plus taking back all of the cap $$$. Realistically we cant get to FA until 2011 so if they feel that Mike Redd would be a nice cog in this sysetm--I have no problem with that as LONG as they dont overpay. If they want to sign Artest and trade for Redd--if that is what they believe--fine but take the pick. If thinbs fail we will have FA in 2011 and some nice young peices.

You're confused. (Maybe you're losing your bearings?) You're not taking back any cap money in a Zach/Redd deal. You're actually HELPING the cap situation by doing this trade because you're getting the more tradeable player whom you could easily trade for an expiring contract and a late 1st round pick if you wanted cap space. Also, Redd has a player option in the final year whereas I don't count hZach has guaranteed money. You can promise Redd to give him a back-loaded contract starting at around $8 mil a year. Then you've taken $10 mil off the cap in 2010/11. (His salary of $18 mil - the new salary of $8 mil.) You have many good options with Redd, including the most obvious one: Just keeping a very good player. You have no good options with Zach.

Here, hopefully this will clarify your confusion: http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

Where did I say anything about Zach--I was talking about Marburys ending contract. It sounds like you have a Zach Randolph fetish or something. I think I made myself clear about Zach--I would begin a termination process and after reading parst of the cBA I think they have a great case to suspend him without pay indefinitely setting up what I believe could be a.50 buyout scenario. I dont want to trade zach I want to fire him.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-15-2008 4:42 PM]

Good luck getting this to fly past the Players Association and creating an even more chaotic and negative situation in which this regime definitely doesnt need.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-15-2008 3:54 PM]

Well, you're probably right. If they're looking to dump a contract, they aren't going to take Zach. The next question is, if they are interested in acquiring Marbury's expiring contract for Redd, what else would be involved? Could we get something extra? Would we have to give up something extra? The guy I'd really like to get from them is Ramon Sessions. If he came along with Redd, it would be worth adding something significant to the pot from our side.

Redd will be 29 in a couple of months, so his age isn't a problem.