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TMS
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6/15/2008  5:25 PM
true to form... another dig at a forum you know absolutely nothing about... keep posting your contradictory nonsensical posts on this forum, i'm sure all your fans are worshipping every minute of it.

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6/15/2008  5:29 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Trade pick 6 to Utah for Ronnie Brewer and pick 18

That is a fair trade


Lol. So out of your top 15 (with the dropoff occurring at 13, who do you pick at 18? There is a good likelihood that someone drops to 18, but nothing is certain.

i thought this was a 1-6 draft & we're sitting at #6... but of course it makes sense to move down in this manner to go after an elite talent like Ronnie Brewer... BRIGGS, BRIGGS, BRIGGS.

I don't want to trade the pick---I said that this would be the only acceptable scenario to the alternative--a trade where we get an up and coming young proven talent + a pick. Talking to yourself on the zoneforums may have effected your eyesight --try glasses:)

Is there anyone here who you disagree with but discuss things with respectfully?
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6/15/2008  5:34 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Trade pick 6 to Utah for Ronnie Brewer and pick 18

That is a fair trade


Lol. So out of your top 15 (with the dropoff occurring at 13, who do you pick at 18? There is a good likelihood that someone drops to 18, but nothing is certain.

i thought this was a 1-6 draft & we're sitting at #6... but of course it makes sense to move down in this manner to go after an elite talent like Ronnie Brewer... BRIGGS, BRIGGS, BRIGGS.

I don't want to trade the pick---I said that this would be the only acceptable scenario to the alternative--a trade where we get an up and coming young proven talent + a pick. Talking to yourself on the zoneforums may have effected your eyesight --try glasses:)

Is there anyone here who you disagree with but discuss things with respectfully?

Ive rarely had a problem with anyone in 6 years.
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6/15/2008  5:37 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Trade pick 6 to Utah for Ronnie Brewer and pick 18

That is a fair trade


Lol. So out of your top 15 (with the dropoff occurring at 13, who do you pick at 18? There is a good likelihood that someone drops to 18, but nothing is certain.

i thought this was a 1-6 draft & we're sitting at #6... but of course it makes sense to move down in this manner to go after an elite talent like Ronnie Brewer... BRIGGS, BRIGGS, BRIGGS.

I don't want to trade the pick---I said that this would be the only acceptable scenario to the alternative--a trade where we get an up and coming young proven talent + a pick. Talking to yourself on the zoneforums may have effected your eyesight --try glasses:)

Is there anyone here who you disagree with but discuss things with respectfully?

Ive rarely had a problem with anyone in 6 years.
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6/15/2008  5:39 PM
Posted by TMS:

Bonn, it's all good... BRIGGS obviously isn't used to being called out on his own contradictions... but hey, he's BRIGGS... he's allowed to be a prick to anyone who dares to challenge his authority on any topic.
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6/15/2008  5:39 PM
Posted by TMS:

Bonn, it's all good... BRIGGS obviously isn't used to being called out on his own contradictions... but hey, he's BRIGGS... he's allowed to be a prick to anyone who dares to challenge his authority on any topic.

Alright TMS...... you know Martin Don't Play Dat!!!

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-15-2008 4:48 PM]
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6/15/2008  5:43 PM
it's the result of 6 years of revelling in an unusually overinflated self image of himself that he's built up by having people tell him how awesome he is on an internet basketball forum... everyone needs to feel needed in this world.
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6/15/2008  11:22 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Trade pick 6 to Utah for Ronnie Brewer and pick 18

That is a fair trade

Washington owns the 18th pick not the Jazz. Jazz have the 23rd pick. So it would be Brewer/#23 for #6. And at #23 we're looking at bottom tier 1st rounders - even beyond guys Ira's talking about like McGee and Thompson - guys I like - now suddenly we're looking at guys like Robin Lopez.

Pound for pound I'm not sure this is fair value being exchanged here. Not to mention I'm just not a huge Ronnie Brewer guy to be honest. Nice size, young, good athlete and yeah hard to argue with the shooting %s the past two seasons (although that's all coming off dunks and layups) but bottom line for me is he's a shooting guard who can't really shoot the ball. Nice little player although I question how much higher this kid's ceiling really is - you think all of a sudden he gets that much better than what we're seeing now? Is he a future 20 ppg guy? Does he really give you a lot in other areas? Is he that defensive stopper a-la Bruce Bowen? I'm not so sure... I know Utah has a few stars that get the limelight, and rightly so, but still Brewer doesn't do too much out there to really distinguish himself. Just MHO. I do know the casual NY fan, after seeing that ugly shooting form in his first 5-20 performance, would probably look to run this poor kid out of town. I'd pass on this deal.

You wanna talk Morris Almond though... Not that quick and not the overall athlete Brewer is but make no mistake this kid's ceiling is higher - what Almond does he does extremely well and that's score/shoot the ball. His monster performances in the D-League, coming almost on a nightly basis, proved to me that he could be special. In addition, he gets to the line, makes his FTs at a high clip and he's very strong & a solid rebounder for the position. I'd love to get my hands on this kid... #6 for #23, #44 and Morris Almond. To tell the truth I probably wouldn't even do this one either (and I really like Almond a lot) but at least now I'm listening....



[Edited by - finestrg on 06-15-2008 11:44 PM]
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6/15/2008  11:34 PM
Posted by TMS:

it's the result of 6 years of revelling in an unusually overinflated self image of himself that he's built up by having people tell him how awesome he is on an internet basketball forum... everyone needs to feel needed in this world.

LOL.

I love how he always tells us of his brilliance in the draft whenever he ask/challenge him on something as if he is the Mel Kiper of the NBA Draft.
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6/16/2008  1:29 AM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Trade pick 6 to Utah for Ronnie Brewer and pick 18

That is a fair trade

Washington owns the 18th pick not the Jazz. Jazz have the 23rd pick. So it would be Brewer/#23 for #6. And at #23 we're looking at bottom tier 1st rounders - even beyond guys Ira's talking about like McGee and Thompson - guys I like - now suddenly we're looking at guys like Robin Lopez.

Pound for pound I'm not sure this is fair value being exchanged here. Not to mention I'm just not a huge Ronnie Brewer guy to be honest. Nice size, young, good athlete and yeah hard to argue with the shooting %s the past two seasons (although that's all coming off dunks and layups) but bottom line for me is he's a shooting guard who can't really shoot the ball. Nice little player although I question how much higher this kid's ceiling really is - you think all of a sudden he gets that much better than what we're seeing now? Is he a future 20 ppg guy? Does he really give you a lot in other areas? Is he that defensive stopper a-la Bruce Bowen? I'm not so sure... I know Utah has a few stars that get the limelight, and rightly so, but still Brewer doesn't do too much out there to really distinguish himself. Just MHO. I do know the casual NY fan, after seeing that ugly shooting form in his first 5-20 performance, would probably look to run this poor kid out of town. I'd pass on this deal.

You wanna talk Morris Almond though... Not that quick and not the overall athlete Brewer is but make no mistake this kid's ceiling is higher - what Almond does he does extremely well and that's score/shoot the ball. His monster performances in the D-League, coming almost on a nightly basis, proved to me that he could be special. In addition, he gets to the line, makes his FTs at a high clip and he's very strong & a solid rebounder for the position. I'd love to get my hands on this kid... #6 for #23, #44 and Morris Almond. To tell the truth I probably wouldn't even do this one either (and I really like Almond a lot) but at least now I'm listening....



[Edited by - finestrg on 06-15-2008 11:44 PM]

Fine this is only an example of the only other option that I would be willing to do with the pick--as in grab a young proven player on the rise with another asset if the value is there.{i used Brewer and a pick just as an example although I dont think its a bad one] I personally want to take the pick--I think were going to get a really nice player. Our cap situation is way to tenuos to make guess work with a 6 pick in the drfat --FA is guaranteed in 2011. The best plan is to only sign Lee past 2010 with an upfront contract--take the 6th pick--and if we have to--and you know they will starphuck but make sure the contract is for no more than 3 years and we use no draft assets or young pieces to acquire.
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6/16/2008  5:19 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Trade pick 6 to Utah for Ronnie Brewer and pick 18

That is a fair trade

So you think that Brewer and the 18th pick is far superior to getting rid of Randolph, clearing $12M off their cap for 2010 and the 16th pick?

It's just mindboggling.
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6/16/2008  7:09 AM
don't bother, i already tried... let him have his delusions that this somehow trumps the idea that getting rid of $17m in cap space in 2010 along w/a role player by moving down to 2 slots better than the pick he's getting back in this deal in order to obtain a role player like Ronnie Brewer makes sense... nevermind the fact that Utah doesn't even own the #18 pick, they own the #23... but hey, if BRIGGS says it works it must be true... i find it amusing he insults people for their lack of basketball knowledge & he managed to overlook that minor detail.

but hey, as long as we're able to convince Zach to take a $30 million dollar buyout on the $48 mil we owe him all is well i guess in the bizarro BRIGGS world of the NBA.
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6/16/2008  10:29 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Trade pick 6 to Utah for Ronnie Brewer and pick 18

That is a fair trade

Washington owns the 18th pick not the Jazz. Jazz have the 23rd pick. So it would be Brewer/#23 for #6. And at #23 we're looking at bottom tier 1st rounders - even beyond guys Ira's talking about like McGee and Thompson - guys I like - now suddenly we're looking at guys like Robin Lopez.

Pound for pound I'm not sure this is fair value being exchanged here. Not to mention I'm just not a huge Ronnie Brewer guy to be honest. Nice size, young, good athlete and yeah hard to argue with the shooting %s the past two seasons (although that's all coming off dunks and layups) but bottom line for me is he's a shooting guard who can't really shoot the ball. Nice little player although I question how much higher this kid's ceiling really is - you think all of a sudden he gets that much better than what we're seeing now? Is he a future 20 ppg guy? Does he really give you a lot in other areas? Is he that defensive stopper a-la Bruce Bowen? I'm not so sure... I know Utah has a few stars that get the limelight, and rightly so, but still Brewer doesn't do too much out there to really distinguish himself. Just MHO. I do know the casual NY fan, after seeing that ugly shooting form in his first 5-20 performance, would probably look to run this poor kid out of town. I'd pass on this deal.

You wanna talk Morris Almond though... Not that quick and not the overall athlete Brewer is but make no mistake this kid's ceiling is higher - what Almond does he does extremely well and that's score/shoot the ball. His monster performances in the D-League, coming almost on a nightly basis, proved to me that he could be special. In addition, he gets to the line, makes his FTs at a high clip and he's very strong & a solid rebounder for the position. I'd love to get my hands on this kid... #6 for #23, #44 and Morris Almond. To tell the truth I probably wouldn't even do this one either (and I really like Almond a lot) but at least now I'm listening....



[Edited by - finestrg on 06-15-2008 11:44 PM]

Fine this is only an example of the only other option that I would be willing to do with the pick--as in grab a young proven player on the rise with another asset if the value is there.{i used Brewer and a pick just as an example although I dont think its a bad one] I personally want to take the pick--I think were going to get a really nice player. Our cap situation is way to tenuos to make guess work with a 6 pick in the drfat --FA is guaranteed in 2011. The best plan is to only sign Lee past 2010 with an upfront contract--take the 6th pick--and if we have to--and you know they will starphuck but make sure the contract is for no more than 3 years and we use no draft assets or young pieces to acquire.

Yeah Briggs I know what you're saying and I agree with you - if we decide to move down in a scenario we have to maximize the deal and that means acquiring a young inexpensive option(s) and at least another first rounder. Nothing wrong with this philosophy although my first preference would be to use the pick and take the BPA unless we get some kind of blow-your-socks-off offer - and I know that's your preference also. Ronnie Brewer & #23 is on the right track but not nearly enough. Speaking of Bruce Bowen, you can actually make a strong case that Bruce Bowen is a much better player than Ronnie Brewer. Bowen plays the world class defense and actually shoots 3s at a good clip...

A better 'move-down' deal imho would be #6 & filler to Portland for Sergio Rodriguez and #13 - and to be honest I probably wouldn't even do that. That's where flipping David Lee in a package comes in...

I'm taking pick #6 very seriously. Pick #6 can turn this franchise around if we get lucky gents. If Donnie doesn't get an offer that blows him out of the water for multiple cost-effective assets that fill needs sit tight and use the pick...


[Edited by - finestrg on 06-16-2008 11:52 AM]
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