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islesfan
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6/14/2008  2:23 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

On a serious note. When you have to give up the #6 lottery pick in order to trade a player and get back Reggie Evens & #16. There value doesn't get any lower then that. Thats the lowest level you can be in terms of a trade.

If thats the case then Id rather buy Randolph out and keep the #6 pick. Id rather have #6 six pick and guranteed cap space in 2011. Then have #16 pick and hope to be able to get cap space by 2010. Or end up trading even more assets(like Lee,Chandler,Nate) in order to get cap space by 2010 with the huge risk that Lebron, Wade only use us to get better deals by there respective teams and we end up trading the #6, Lee, Chandler by packaging them with Crawford &/or Curry &/or Jefferies only to end up with a 2nd/3rd tier free agent.

That's not true. It can most definitely go lower than that. For example, the pick that you get back can be lower than 16 or it could be off the table completely. Also the player you get back can be less of an asset than Reggie Evans. Or maybe you have to give up another young player to get it done.

As for waiting until 2011 instead of 2010, take that up with Donnie Walsh who has made it a point on numerous occasions, including his introductory press conference, that he wants to get under the cap by the summer of 2010 so he can be a major player in free agency.
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6/14/2008  2:24 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
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Posted by islesfan:

Where are those morons who said it couldn't hurt to keep him another year and his trade value wouldn't go lower. Yup, it's all about being a 20 year old 20-10 center.

Im glad you're not running the country because countries with a rogue outlook would handle you like a chump willing to compromise. You don't give in to virulent behaviour/actions--you punish them.
I'd rather get rid of him and let someone else worry about how to punish him. But how would you punish him anyway? Please don't tell me something like "bench him." You're not naive enough to think an owner is going to let a player with $50 mil left on his contract be benched, are you?

It would be very simple if I was in charge suspension for conduct detrinetal to the team and go to the league office and start the process of terminating his contract for his multiple problems over the years. Im not giving into anyone--I will dictate the policy. Im not hurting my team if I own it???!!!
We all would do suspensions if the owner would let us. (Except that the players association has too much power to allow the contract termination to happen.)

How do you know that? They should Sprewell his arse. And if it comes down where we settle out for 1/2 the $ contract--there is your savings right there.
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6/14/2008  2:25 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:

Where are those morons who said it couldn't hurt to keep him another year and his trade value wouldn't go lower. Yup, it's all about being a 20 year old 20-10 center.

Im glad you're not running the country because countries with a rogue outlook would handle you like a chump willing to compromise. You don't give in to virulent behaviour/actions--you punish them.
I'd rather get rid of him and let someone else worry about how to punish him. But how would you punish him anyway? Please don't tell me something like "bench him." You're not naive enough to think an owner is going to let a player with $50 mil left on his contract be benched, are you?

What's the difference between that and when we buy guys out or fire them and they get paid to do nothing after that? Something with Zach has to be done. I just pray it doesn't include the pick or David Lee.
I don't think any Knick or other NBA player that's been bought out has ever been owed even half what Zach has. You're asking the owner to swallow an unprecedented amount of money. You're gonna have to be able to show that it's in his financial interests to give up almost $50 million for nothing. That move in any business is big enough that you'd likely be fired if it didn't pay off.
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6/14/2008  2:27 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:

Where are those morons who said it couldn't hurt to keep him another year and his trade value wouldn't go lower. Yup, it's all about being a 20 year old 20-10 center.

Im glad you're not running the country because countries with a rogue outlook would handle you like a chump willing to compromise. You don't give in to virulent behaviour/actions--you punish them.
I'd rather get rid of him and let someone else worry about how to punish him. But how would you punish him anyway? Please don't tell me something like "bench him." You're not naive enough to think an owner is going to let a player with $50 mil left on his contract be benched, are you?

It would be very simple if I was in charge suspension for conduct detrinetal to the team and go to the league office and start the process of terminating his contract for his multiple problems over the years. Im not giving into anyone--I will dictate the policy. Im not hurting my team if I own it???!!!
We all would do suspensions if the owner would let us. (Except that the players association has too much power to allow the contract termination to happen.)

How do you know that? They should Sprewell his arse. And if it comes down where we settle out for 1/2 the $ contract--there is your savings right there.
Sprewell attacked his coach and did so "on the job," meaning it wasn't merely up to the US legal system to take responsibility. Zach has merely committed bad behavior and minor crimes at the level that are committed by a handful of NBA players. The league will never set the precedent you want it to set.
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6/14/2008  2:30 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:

Where are those morons who said it couldn't hurt to keep him another year and his trade value wouldn't go lower. Yup, it's all about being a 20 year old 20-10 center.

Im glad you're not running the country because countries with a rogue outlook would handle you like a chump willing to compromise. You don't give in to virulent behaviour/actions--you punish them.
I'd rather get rid of him and let someone else worry about how to punish him. But how would you punish him anyway? Please don't tell me something like "bench him." You're not naive enough to think an owner is going to let a player with $50 mil left on his contract be benched, are you?

What's the difference between that and when we buy guys out or fire them and they get paid to do nothing after that? Something with Zach has to be done. I just pray it doesn't include the pick or David Lee.

The difference is that he stays on your cap until his contract expires and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
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6/14/2008  2:30 PM
Cant you see that we will be better off without Zach. If someone will take him and the 6th pick it is addition by subtraction.
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6/14/2008  2:31 PM
I lovin this.

This only confirms posters like TMS, Isles, Bonn, and myself while the rest of you all are wrong.
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6/14/2008  2:33 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

I lovin this.

This only confirms posters like TMS, Isles, Bonn, and myself while the rest of you all are wrong.

that's really more important than anything else to you, isn't it?

i'd rather be wrong 100% of the time and see the knicks win. what do you get out of being right on the internet?
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6/14/2008  2:35 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Randolph going after gang members and drug dealers.

See the man changed his ways.

He said hey man, I don't like the way you have been selling drugs to kids, and recruiting kids to be apart of your gang.

Or he said, "Hey man, that **** wasn't what I paid for. I don't care if there are innocent kids in here, if you don't give me my money back or the **** I paid for, we're going to have some trouble"
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6/14/2008  2:37 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I lovin this.

This only confirms posters like TMS, Isles, Bonn, and myself while the rest of you all are wrong.

that's really more important than anything else to you, isn't it?

i'd rather be wrong 100% of the time and see the knicks win. what do you get out of being right on the internet?

You know that whole Internet Bullies vs Trolls thread? ..... ah nevermind.
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6/14/2008  2:38 PM
Here's another thought Zach Randolph probably knows our organization wants nothing more than to ship his arse out. Do you think he's going to be on his best behavior before this happens? Of course not he'll crank up the negativity because he knows this. This is the same guy who said late in the season "He doesn't know why the Knicks bothered trading for him if they didn't have a role for him or if he wasn't a part of their long term plans" on several occasions stated "I expect to be moved" ....Translation..."I didn't ask to come here and play and I don't want to be here and I'll be a pain in the arse on my way out."

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-14-2008 1:43 PM]
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6/14/2008  2:41 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

I lovin this.

This only confirms posters like TMS, Isles, Bonn, and myself while the rest of you all are wrong.

The only thing you have confirmed to people here is you are very strange. The way to deal with rogue behaviour is by strict punishment. This is every form of life. The NFL has set the standard for what is not acceptable in player conudct and I think at this point MR Randolph has gone beyond that barrier of second/third/fourth chances. A very serious suspension in line with what Ron Artest or Latrell Sprewell where the player forfeits 50-100% of this years salary while they go through a termination process. Thats how you do it in the big world. Jim Dolan and David Stern are responsible for shutting this down.
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6/14/2008  2:42 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I lovin this.

This only confirms posters like TMS, Isles, Bonn, and myself while the rest of you all are wrong.

that's really more important than anything else to you, isn't it?

i'd rather be wrong 100% of the time and see the knicks win. what do you get out of being right on the internet?

It has nothing to do with my personal validation of being right vs posters claiming how wrong my thinking is and how I'm in left field on matters. I'd rather Zach be one of the most sought after players in the NBA along with the rest of our Hideous roster but REALITY SAYS ZACH HAS NO VALUE.

I think the better questions are...

Why do our fans think Zach has value?

Why do our fans think Zach's value couldn't decrease?

WHy do our fans think Portland got rid mainly because they had players in the fold and had no use for his 20/10 production?
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6/14/2008  2:44 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:

Where are those morons who said it couldn't hurt to keep him another year and his trade value wouldn't go lower. Yup, it's all about being a 20 year old 20-10 center.

Im glad you're not running the country because countries with a rogue outlook would handle you like a chump willing to compromise. You don't give in to virulent behaviour/actions--you punish them.
I'd rather get rid of him and let someone else worry about how to punish him. But how would you punish him anyway? Please don't tell me something like "bench him." You're not naive enough to think an owner is going to let a player with $50 mil left on his contract be benched, are you?

It would be very simple if I was in charge suspension for conduct detrinetal to the team and go to the league office and start the process of terminating his contract for his multiple problems over the years. Im not giving into anyone--I will dictate the policy. Im not hurting my team if I own it???!!!
We all would do suspensions if the owner would let us. (Except that the players association has too much power to allow the contract termination to happen.)

How do you know that? They should Sprewell his arse. And if it comes down where we settle out for 1/2 the $ contract--there is your savings right there.

What exactly is going to be your basis for suspending or firing him? There is no Sprewell like choking his coach incident. There's no Pacman Jones type shooting up a strip joint with people being maimed and killed type incident. He's just a douchbag thug wannabe who uses his posse to start trouble and has a bad attitude with his coaches, teammates and team.
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6/14/2008  2:46 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:

Where are those morons who said it couldn't hurt to keep him another year and his trade value wouldn't go lower. Yup, it's all about being a 20 year old 20-10 center.

Im glad you're not running the country because countries with a rogue outlook would handle you like a chump willing to compromise. You don't give in to virulent behaviour/actions--you punish them.
I'd rather get rid of him and let someone else worry about how to punish him. But how would you punish him anyway? Please don't tell me something like "bench him." You're not naive enough to think an owner is going to let a player with $50 mil left on his contract be benched, are you?

It would be very simple if I was in charge suspension for conduct detrinetal to the team and go to the league office and start the process of terminating his contract for his multiple problems over the years. Im not giving into anyone--I will dictate the policy. Im not hurting my team if I own it???!!!
We all would do suspensions if the owner would let us. (Except that the players association has too much power to allow the contract termination to happen.)

How do you know that? They should Sprewell his arse. And if it comes down where we settle out for 1/2 the $ contract--there is your savings right there.
Sprewell attacked his coach and did so "on the job," meaning it wasn't merely up to the US legal system to take responsibility. Zach has merely committed bad behavior and minor crimes at the level that are committed by a handful of NBA players. The league will never set the precedent you want it to set.

Exactly. There's no way what Briggs wants to do will stand up to the injunction filed by the Players Association. And it will only make him harder to trade or completely untradeable.
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6/14/2008  2:48 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I lovin this.

This only confirms posters like TMS, Isles, Bonn, and myself while the rest of you all are wrong.

The only thing you have confirmed to people here is you are very strange. The way to deal with rogue behaviour is by strict punishment. This is every form of life. The NFL has set the standard for what is not acceptable in player conudct and I think at this point MR Randolph has gone beyond that barrier of second/third/fourth chances. A very serious suspension in line with what Ron Artest or Latrell Sprewell where the player forfeits 50-100% of this years salary while they go through a termination process. Thats how you do it in the big world. Jim Dolan and David Stern are responsible for shutting this down.


There's nothing strange about me... keep feeling uneasy because I quoted what you wrote on a message board.

Briggs you have to understand in each sport venue they have what you call a CBA and a Players Union. Each one has different standards than the other. When teams start taking strict actions against players the Players Union flexes their Juice Card very hard. Because these players have guaranteed contracts that makes disciplining even more difficult. Let's hope that in 3yrs or so when a new deal is enforced, somehow stronger disciplinary actions are incorporated in the new agreement where Franchises won't feel disenchanted to deal with a player for his on and off the court behavior.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-14-2008 1:49 PM]
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6/14/2008  2:48 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I lovin this.

This only confirms posters like TMS, Isles, Bonn, and myself while the rest of you all are wrong.

that's really more important than anything else to you, isn't it?

i'd rather be wrong 100% of the time and see the knicks win. what do you get out of being right on the internet?

It has nothing to do with my personal validation of being right vs posters claiming how wrong my thinking is and how I'm in left field on matters. I'd rather Zach be one of the most sought after players in the NBA along with the rest of our Hideous roster but REALITY SAYS ZACH HAS NO VALUE.

I think the better questions are...

Why do our fans think Zach has value?

Why do our fans think Zach's value couldn't decrease?

WHy do our fans think Portland got rid mainly because they had players in the fold and had no use for his 20/10 production?

I know all this. I lamented the trade since the day it was made. I think it was a horrible move. I know his value is almost nil at this point, as I think most people here do. But some fans are going to be optimistic that something can done. I can't fault them for that. I don't think there's any point in rubbing people's face in the issue if they were excited about the trade or hoped it would work.

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6/14/2008  2:51 PM
bitty must be crushed...
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6/14/2008  2:53 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I lovin this.

This only confirms posters like TMS, Isles, Bonn, and myself while the rest of you all are wrong.

that's really more important than anything else to you, isn't it?

i'd rather be wrong 100% of the time and see the knicks win. what do you get out of being right on the internet?

It has nothing to do with my personal validation of being right vs posters claiming how wrong my thinking is and how I'm in left field on matters. I'd rather Zach be one of the most sought after players in the NBA along with the rest of our Hideous roster but REALITY SAYS ZACH HAS NO VALUE.

I think the better questions are...

Why do our fans think Zach has value?

Why do our fans think Zach's value couldn't decrease?

WHy do our fans think Portland got rid mainly because they had players in the fold and had no use for his 20/10 production?

I know all this. I lamented the trade since the day it was made. I think it was a horrible move. I know his value is almost nil at this point, as I think most people here do. But some fans are going to be optimistic that something can done. I can't fault them for that. I don't think there's any point in rubbing people's face in the issue if they were excited about the trade or hoped it would work.


Forget the trade it's done it's well in the past. I'm talking about the here and now Zach.

Also wouldn't you think those fans who were proven wrong about how beneficial the trade would be, would maybe be more in the background at this point on the Zach issue instead of aggressively stating how others are completely loony how they perceive Zach and his value?


Oh and I should have said how MYSELF and OTHERS are in left field not just myself.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-14-2008 1:55 PM]
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6/14/2008  2:53 PM
bitty was with him probably. I heard she was wanting to upgrade to big snacks is the word on the street.
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