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TrueBlue
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6/10/2008  7:49 PM
Posted by TMS:

they lack a low post presence, something CLE already has... i'm not saying DEN will be beating down our door to trade for Zach but if u ask me it makes more sense than CLE wanting Zach... DEN has Camby who would be a perfect complement to Zach's game, & they have the scorers on the perimeter along w/the role players off the bench.

if CLE would want anything from us it would be someone like Jamal to give them another guy who can create his own shot on the perimeter & keep teams honest from doubling down on Lebron on the perimeter.

anyway i don't wanna keep repeating the same things i've been saying to reason why i don't think CLE is a realistic option... we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-10-2008 4:18 PM]

I never had him going to Cleveland so I agree. I did have a 3 and 4 way where he went to Philly that involved Clev and Ind and we got back Wally or Jermaine.

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6/10/2008  7:54 PM
maybe NO might be interested in reviving the Chandler-Curry platoon considering they have no offensive punch off the bench.

curry for james butler and the 27

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-06-2008 7:56 PM]
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6/10/2008  8:00 PM
Posted by TMS:

how about Curry & Jefferies for KMart... dollars are a wash pretty much & it gives DEN a low post presence they're currently lacking.

of course they can also do the Zach for KMart trade that i've been pining about for a while too & gain the same benefits.

I'm sorry but KMart hasn't played a full season in how long why oh why do fans want these injury prone guys. He is garbage heed my words unless you jump into a time-machine and turn back the clock circa 2001.
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6/10/2008  8:14 PM
i've laid out my reasons why i would make that deal countless times... it's a matter of KMart being a much better fit for both the system we're likely to run next season as well as to address team balance issues... it's as simple as that... the contracts are a wash & as long as Zach is here he drags the entire team down w/his selfish style of stat accumulating play... i want him outta here ASAP... i know you hate the idea of getting rid of your boy, but to me it makes sense to unload Zach if the opportunity presents itself even if we're not necessarily getting back equal value in terms of talent.
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6/10/2008  8:24 PM
Posted by TMS:

i've laid out my reasons why i would make that deal countless times... it's a matter of KMart being a much better fit for both the system we're likely to run next season as well as to address team balance issues... it's as simple as that... the contracts are a wash & as long as Zach is here he drags the entire team down w/his selfish style of stat accumulating play... i want him outta here ASAP... i know you hate the idea of getting rid of your boy, but to me it makes sense to unload Zach if the opportunity presents itself even if we're not necessarily getting back equal value in terms of talent.



This does not compute. KMart hasn't been healthy since he left NJ so what sense does it make to have him on the team when he spends most the season wearing a suit. You might as well trade Zach for a month supply of popcorn because at least its cheap and won't take up a roster spot.

This is one of those moments where I am happy that fans are fans and not in a front office.
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6/10/2008  8:26 PM
I say you trade the 6th pick to Sacramento and Zach for Brad Miller and the 12th pick and take westbrook or augustin. It gives you a shorter contract, a good player at 12 and another white guy
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6/10/2008  8:28 PM
I would not move Zach for Martin. He has had microfracture surgery on both of his knees and his game when effective was based on using his athleticism. He has a huge contract and has had trouble in the locker room and with coaches. I am pretty sure that Walsh will try to protect D'Antoni from players who are tough on coaches and chemistry. Martin is no where near the player he was and I always felt that he was overrated.
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6/10/2008  8:30 PM
Posted by King1:

I say you trade the 6th pick to Sacramento and Zach for Brad Miller and the 12th pick and take westbrook or augustin. It gives you a shorter contract, a good player at 12 and another white guy

You know that actually not a terrible deal.
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6/10/2008  8:39 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by King1:

I say you trade the 6th pick to Sacramento and Zach for Brad Miller and the 12th pick and take westbrook or augustin. It gives you a shorter contract, a good player at 12 and another white guy

You know that actually not a terrible deal.

Thats a terrible trade. I don't understand why you would want to trade down especially for another player that woouldn't fit with Curry. Give me the 6th pick anyday over Brad Miller or the 12th pick and contrary to what you guys think Zack is twice the player Miller is.

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6/10/2008  8:40 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by King1:

I say you trade the 6th pick to Sacramento and Zach for Brad Miller and the 12th pick and take westbrook or augustin. It gives you a shorter contract, a good player at 12 and another white guy

You know that actually not a terrible deal.

Thats a terrible trade. I don't understand why you would want to trade down especially for another player that woouldn't fit with Curry. Give me the 6th pick anyday over Brad Miller or the 12th pick and contrary to what you guys think Zack is twice the player Miller is.

I was assuming that Curry would be traded as well.
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6/10/2008  8:42 PM
If Zach was so great how did Portland become better without him and no one wants him in a trade? I am looking for shorter contracts
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6/10/2008  8:49 PM
Posted by King1:

If Zach was so great how did Portland become better without him and no one wants him in a trade? I am looking for shorter contracts

Mo Cheeks wants him I guess that is no one. Why did Portland get better without him its simple other players picked up their game. Aldridge is coming into his own and Roy is becoming one of he better players in the league. Outlaw's game improved by leaps and bounds. Players develop thats what its all about.

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6/10/2008  9:16 PM
Why did we get worse adding a 20/10 man?
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6/10/2008  9:28 PM
Because we already had a guy with a similar game. Zach was not coming in to fill a role. He was a big name with big numbers who needs the ball on offense just like Curry. Curry needed someone to compliment his game and make up for his weaknesses at the four spot. That guy isn't Zach. In addition, the Knicks were an embarassment last year off of the court. The team president was found guilty of sexual harassment and the team was fined 11 million dollars. The team president made racist statements and accused the fans of being the reason the team lost. The team coach and president was Isiah Thomas. The last fact alone is reason enough for the team to not improve. The Marbury and Curry situations were also not handled in a professional manner.
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6/10/2008  10:24 PM
Posted by King1:

Why did we get worse adding a 20/10 man?

because he's not a 20/10 man... he's a 16/8 man w/severe character issues making 20/10 man dollars... Zach must go.
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6/10/2008  10:25 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by TMS:

i've laid out my reasons why i would make that deal countless times... it's a matter of KMart being a much better fit for both the system we're likely to run next season as well as to address team balance issues... it's as simple as that... the contracts are a wash & as long as Zach is here he drags the entire team down w/his selfish style of stat accumulating play... i want him outta here ASAP... i know you hate the idea of getting rid of your boy, but to me it makes sense to unload Zach if the opportunity presents itself even if we're not necessarily getting back equal value in terms of talent.



This does not compute. KMart hasn't been healthy since he left NJ so what sense does it make to have him on the team when he spends most the season wearing a suit. You might as well trade Zach for a month supply of popcorn because at least its cheap and won't take up a roster spot.

This is one of those moments where I am happy that fans are fans and not in a front office.

this coming from a poster who was having the big O when we traded for Zach to begin with.
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6/10/2008  10:29 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by TMS:

i've laid out my reasons why i would make that deal countless times... it's a matter of KMart being a much better fit for both the system we're likely to run next season as well as to address team balance issues... it's as simple as that... the contracts are a wash & as long as Zach is here he drags the entire team down w/his selfish style of stat accumulating play... i want him outta here ASAP... i know you hate the idea of getting rid of your boy, but to me it makes sense to unload Zach if the opportunity presents itself even if we're not necessarily getting back equal value in terms of talent.



This does not compute. KMart hasn't been healthy since he left NJ so what sense does it make to have him on the team when he spends most the season wearing a suit. You might as well trade Zach for a month supply of popcorn because at least its cheap and won't take up a roster spot.

This is one of those moments where I am happy that fans are fans and not in a front office.

this coming from a poster who was having the big O when we traded for Zach to begin with.


Thats a class statement there!

But again if want a walking injury on your team by all means knock yourself out in a fantasy league but please for all that holy don't let the Knicks get within a inch of KMart.
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6/10/2008  10:33 PM
lol... i guess ur comment about being happy fans are not in the front office was an example of class on your part?

come on bitty, i know u love me... we don't have to skirt around the issue any longer.
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6/10/2008  10:36 PM
Posted by TMS:

lol... i guess ur comment about being happy fans are not in the front office was an example of class on your part?

come on bitty, i know u love me... we don't have to skirt around the issue any longer.

I'm happy fans aren't in front-office we would have a team of former boy scouts making 25,000 a year
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6/10/2008  10:38 PM
just as long as we don't have a team full of malcontented selfish primadonnas making huge salary i'm fine w/whatever Walsh decides to do from here on out.
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imho, only 1 deal this summer

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