Posted by fishmike:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

I'm rooting for capspace and ping pong balls.

En lieu of that, I'd be for Artest if and only if another big fish was to be landed, such as Gilbert Arenas or Elton Brand. But I don't think that's possible.

great if we are the Bucks... we arent. The Knicks have SUCH an advantage over all but a couple teams in the NBA in that we can have such a high payroll. People got jaded because Isiah used that to add junk, fodder, crap and dung. I really hope Walsh uses it to add all stars. Isiah added payroll because he could. It was a shame and left us with some guys we all agree will be hard to move. Walsh could use that same advantage to fill the roster with young guys and all stars other teams cant pay. Add a coach that NBA players fawn over and a system that makes players look good and wins games and poof we are playing in the 2nd round of the playoffs. It can be done... and thats just a start.

Remember... The Pistons went from 32-50 to 50-32 in one year. The big changes they made? Rick Carlisle at coach and Cliff Robinson. Aside from that virtually the same roster.

It can be done, and if any team is capable of a big turn around I think it could be the Knicks.

I don't see anything which supports the Knicks will suddenly turn around. After a tretch where it seemed like the roster changed every 48 hours, this one has some continuity. What you see is what you get with this team.

And this luxury of being able to spend more than any other team DOESN'T WORK when there is a cap. So, the Knicks can spend more than other teams for players (except the best players, where cap rules limit the Knicks. Like, when the Clippers could only offer Kobe $100 million instead of the $140 he got from the Lakers, per the CBA). So, the luxury you speak of is being able to overpay, which is never ever EVER good business and why the Knicks are in the hole they are in.

The reality is the Knicks don't have an advantage over any team in their ability to sign star players, other than playing in New York City and added endorsement benefits. There is a cap and the Knicks have to be under it to sign any elite players. The Knicks are also bound by league rules, not by how much the team can theoretically spend.

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

I'm rooting for capspace and ping pong balls.

En lieu of that, I'd be for Artest if and only if another big fish was to be landed, such as Gilbert Arenas or Elton Brand. But I don't think that's possible.

great if we are the Bucks... we arent. The Knicks have SUCH an advantage over all but a couple teams in the NBA in that we can have such a high payroll. People got jaded because Isiah used that to add junk, fodder, crap and dung. I really hope Walsh uses it to add all stars. Isiah added payroll because he could. It was a shame and left us with some guys we all agree will be hard to move. Walsh could use that same advantage to fill the roster with young guys and all stars other teams cant pay. Add a coach that NBA players fawn over and a system that makes players look good and wins games and poof we are playing in the 2nd round of the playoffs. It can be done... and thats just a start.

Remember... The Pistons went from 32-50 to 50-32 in one year. The big changes they made? Rick Carlisle at coach and Cliff Robinson. Aside from that virtually the same roster.

It can be done, and if any team is capable of a big turn around I think it could be the Knicks.

I don't see anything which supports the Knicks will suddenly turn around. After a tretch where it seemed like the roster changed every 48 hours, this one has some continuity. What you see is what you get with this team.

And this luxury of being able to spend more than any other team DOESN'T WORK when there is a cap. So, the Knicks can spend more than other teams for players (except the best players, where cap rules limit the Knicks. Like, when the Clippers could only offer Kobe $100 million instead of the $140 he got from the Lakers, per the CBA). So, the luxury you speak of is being able to overpay, which is never ever EVER good business and why the Knicks are in the hole they are in.

The reality is the Knicks don't have an advantage over any team in their ability to sign star players, other than playing in New York City and added endorsement benefits. There is a cap and the Knicks have to be under it to sign any elite players. The Knicks are also bound by league rules, not by how much the team can theoretically spend.

I could not disagree more. Look around the league at the number of all star players that have been traded because they make too much money. Also look around at the number players picked up via sign and trade.

Knicks should be scouting harded than other team to add players and picks from the late first round that are quality. SA is the prime example there. Knick should then be looking to add good players other teams cant afford to pay and are forced to let go of, and/or use those kinds of trade to add other players as well. Diaw, Barbosa, Livingston, Brand, Jermaine Oneil, Redd and Josh Howard are all guys I have mentioned. Knicks can afford to have great depth. The Knicks can pay someone like Redd (Alan Houston) to fill the roll of shooter on a team or in a system. For every other team Redd needs to be a franchise player, otherwise they are looking for servicable shooter off the scrap heap.

Isiah threw pieces of crap at a wall hoping they would stick, and in doing so added like $250mm in future payroll while he was here. What was wrong about that was he did so with no regard as to how to build a team, or give a coach the kind of players he needed to suceed. DW can do that.

The Mavs signed Dampier (an unrestricted FA) to a huge deal and their payroll was $80mm at the time. OK... bad deal but the point is you can go out and get guys whether its trade or FA if your willing to spend. We are and should be... just in more intellegent fashion than the last guy that ran this ship.

Posted by djsunyc:

alright y'all...you had a good laugh at my expense...it's good...but can we stop with the curry for tj ford nonsense...

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by fishmike:

I could not disagree more...

...The Mavs signed Dampier (an unrestricted FA) to a huge deal and their payroll was $80mm at the time. OK... bad deal but the point is you can go out and get guys whether its trade or FA if your willing to spend. We are and should be... just in more intellegent fashion than the last guy that ran this ship.

I hope you realize even though you say you disagree, you made my point. With the cap in place, the only advantage of being able to spend more is the ability to overpay.

As opposed to not getting that player at all? Dampier, while overpaid, has helped the Mavs. Why Dampier becomes the classic example of what you can do with cap space makes little sense.