Posted by bitty41:

Posted by fishmike:

it is? When you have good players you have good players. When you have cap space you have...

Don't you know it makes perfect sense to build your entire franchise on the "possibility" that a player may come to your organization in two years. Because hey if I'm Walsh thats why I get up in the mornings for cap space because as you know it guarantees Championships.

See: Memphis, Charlotte, Seattle, Milwaukee Bucks

no, it makes more sense to build ur team on overpriced stat guys like Marbury & Zach Randolph... that's gotten us to new levels of success.

Posted by nyballer:

i dont get why everyone is so against cap space- after all these isiah thomas years, one would think fans would be happy that our GM is trying to be financially responsible.

Obviously cap space doesn't guarantee that you will get lebron, d-wade etc. - in all likelihood lebron probably won't come here. but we will be able to sign someone big, someone better than what we've had since 99. i'm not necessarily in favor of trading our pick to get rid of randolphs contract, but i'd be willing to trade randolph/curry for less talented players with shorter contracts. Teams like memphis, charlotte, seattle, milwaukee don't have the appeal that NY does - you get way more exposure and get paid for it - it has the appeal of a team like the lakers.

Its about not sitting around making bad deal after bad deal all in the effort to clear out cap space. This is about basketball not managing finances.

And the "bright stars of NY" rhetoric is old because guess what we haven't drawn a big free-agent to NY in over 10 years. Sorry that dog just doesn't hunt anymore.

I am also willing to trade Curry and Randolph for players with shorter contracts provided that they are filling some kind of void. So in other words if the Knicks acquired a point guard or a shooter in place of Curry/Randolph I would be all for it but some walking skell thats just idiotic and does very little to get the Knicks closer to any type of serious winning.

who's this walking skell you're referring to? Reggie Evans? he's a pretty good role player & signed to a very reasonable deal, plus you're not just throwing away the #6 pick you're just moving down so u can gain cap flexibility... u have to give in order to get... teams aren't going to bend over backwards to help us get out of this salary cap mess that Layden & Isiah have landed us in... we need to make some tough concessions now in order to create the type of flexibility that Walsh said himself he is after in 2 years.

F*CK CAP SPACE! And Reggie Evans is about the same vein as David Lee (with defense) so what exactly do we want with him? I like him but I wouldn't give up Randolph or our pick for him and a worse draft position. This falls into the category of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

bitty's pissed b/c cap space slept with her one night and never called her back...

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by TMS:

ignore cap space all u want but the guy we just hired to right the ship places pretty high value on it judging from all his comments since he got here... but go ahead & keep telling us cap space means nothing... we'll just keep adding overpriced talent after overpriced talent until 1 day the NBA will have no choice but to do away w/the cap altogether cuz the Knicks are too damn stupid to learn from past mistakes.

What do you expect him to say "I'm here to get paid biotches and make it rain!"

No duh he talks about 2010 because thats an intelligent thing to say to the media especially coming after the reign of terror. But in reality Championships are built on cohesive talent. So that should be your number one goal above all else and yes children that includes cap space

u just don't get it do u... building a team on cohesive talent is the #1 goal for every GM... that's the reason Zach has to go... holy crap, why is this such a hard concept to understand? Zach destroys any chance of building that cohesive team cuz he sucks up every ball thrown down to him downlow... he's a huge black hole in our frontcourt that's only interested in getting off his shots & putting up stats w/no regard of how the team suffers when he dominates the ball that way... his mere presence stagnates our offense & his bickering w/teammates & off the court issues are a huge distraction to the rest of the team... his contract is a cap killer & prevents us from targetting the types of players that we CAN build a cohesive team around... do you get what i'm saying here? ZACH NEEDS TO GO! PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION... it was a retarded move to bring him here to begin with & if the Knicks are smart they will cut their losses now before we end up screwing ourselves even further by holding onto him.

why do u always revert to that bitty? i'm talking about logic here... this is not a personal attack on u... the trade was a moronic move to make, simple as that... why do u take offense to it? was i right or not when i said the trade would not help our franchise at all? was i right or not when i said bringing Zach here would negatively effect Curry's game? it doesn't take a genius to figure these things out... Isiah made the trade to get fans excited & keep Dolan off his back for 1 more offseason... he made the trade to pull the wool over our eyes... some fell for it, some didn't... i'm not telling you you're an idiot for supporting the moronic trade... i'm saying it was a moronic trade.

fine, if u have faith in Walsh & Mike D to get something good outta Zach here, that's ur call... i just don't that's ever gonna happen w/o us trading him... difference of opinion.

now then, about this crush you have on me...

Posted by fishmike:

fine, if u have faith in Walsh & Mike D to get something good outta Zach here, that's ur call

thats where I am at. Every player talks about how great he is to play for. Lets see what happens.

Just off of how D'antoni used Amare and Marion......he had amare follow Nash and had Marion going back door and cutting. Not much creating for themselves......a couple times a game Amare would isolate and Marion would have to drive the ball on his own. I can see Zach being asked to go back door and following the point guard around on pick and rolls. I can see Curry being put in situation where he can receive the ball more off lobs and trailing. That's the D'antoni style of easy baskets.

Who is to say Zach and Curry can't co-exist together if the game plan changes? Who is to say Marbs can't resurrect his career playing with the ball in his hands making the backdoor passes, pick and roll passes, lob passes, drive and drop off passes. He made a career off it up until Lenny got fired.

We can all argue and get bent out of shape, but the Knicks really honestly and truthfully don't have to do a damn thing. They need to trade Zach, well they kinda also have to trade Lee cuz of his pending free agency. They need to trade Curry but then if they do the Knicks would need a center. Trade craw? Well they who is gonna be the shooting guard?

What move is the right move is up for debate. Btw......what does this all have to do with Gilber Arenas opting out? Lmao!

Posted by fishmike:

fine, if u have faith in Walsh & Mike D to get something good outta Zach here, that's ur call

thats where I am at. Every player talks about how great he is to play for. Lets see what happens.

i don't think we have a choice.

I'd be okay with Gilbert Arenas. He's entertaining as hell. Did you ever see his commercial idea?

You know how I always throw my jersey into the stands after a game? In Washington, they just go crazy for it. So in this commercial, that's what I'm gonna do with my shoes. I've just hit a game winner, and I throw these shoes. Everyone starts to react, and you see everything in slow motion. Everyone's pushing, shoving, doing whatever it takes to try to get to these shoes. People from the 400 level, they're jumping off the ledge, they're missing the pile, hitting nothing but chairs, and you can just see in people's faces like, Ooooh, that hurt. While all this stuff's going on, one of the shoes pops out of the crowd, and a little girl gets it and she takes off. A couple of people see she has it, and they start chasing her, and she's looking back running—and then she gets clotheslined by a kid in a wheelchair. So he picks the shoe up and says—he's gonna have the only line in there—"They said I couldn't get it. Heh. Impossible is nothing." And then he rolls off.

http://dcist.com/2006/10/13/thats_just_gilb.php

I would have NO PROBLEM rooting for a guy like that. That would be entertaining even in the worst of times. And he's good to go off for 40 at any point, or 15 assists. Do I necessarily think he's good enough to win championship? No, not necessarily. But do I think the Wizards are designed poorly? Absolutely.