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6/8/2008  5:43 PM
Posted by Anji:

He does appear to be more Guard ordinated then Bosh ever was..... so much so that if he was not officially measured at 6'10, I would not believe the player in that vid is that big.

His skills lead you to believe that if he is a good player in the NBA, he will be in his own category.

Is there even 1 player in this draft that is similar to Randolph?
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6/8/2008  6:57 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Anji:

He does appear to be more Guard ordinated then Bosh ever was..... so much so that if he was not officially measured at 6'10, I would not believe the player in that vid is that big.

His skills lead you to believe that if he is a good player in the NBA, he will be in his own category.

Is there even 1 player in this draft that is similar to Randolph?

He's somewhat unique and it's exciting to think that even if we can't get Mayo or someone like that, we could still get Randolph who gives us more versatility and a shotblocking presence to boot.

We've seen this team play much better at times with a smaller more athletic group on the floor. With a guy like Randolph we've also get more length on the floor with those quicker units.
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6/8/2008  6:57 PM
The more I look at him the more I think he is a Shaun Marion type 4 man. Hes got that quick second jump and looks like he will be an awesome rebounder when fully mature in body. He has every skill we need for the transition game--the more I look the more I would say he is the runaway choice if hes there.
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6/8/2008  7:06 PM
^^^ That is very true.......
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6/8/2008  7:24 PM
When I see the dude he reminds me of Rudy Gay. His body and jumpshot mechanics may look like Bosh but they have totally different games and play at different speeds.

Anthony Randolph is my pick. His talent is unique. Not even Beasley displays his speed, handle and slashing ability.
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6/8/2008  7:39 PM
The key for me is that he fits into D'Antoni's system, with his particular skills and physical talents. At this time i'm only interested in team building that fits our Coach and his system. Until we build a team that he can win with, it should be our main focus to keep adding players who have the versatility to play in this system.

No more one sided players. Well rounded BB players who have solid BB skills. Passing, shooting and a good head on their shoulders. Randolph seems like he would be a good start. We'll likely be stuck with the guards we've got and none of them are the kind of cerebral PG we need to really make huge improvement. We'll have to address that too. I'm hoping for another pick but there are some guards out there we may be able to trade for. I really like the Point Forward skills of Lee, Chandler, Balkman and Randolph if we draft him.
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6/8/2008  7:58 PM
Randolph definitely looks like a unique player, and one I wouldn't mind using the pick on at all.
So far (assuming Mayo doesn't slide and we are unable to move up), I still have Westbrook as choice 1A with Randolph 1B. I would not be disappointed with Randolph by any means, but Westbrook just seems like a lock down defender at a position we definitely need some help at. Randolph is a very nice project, but I just get concerned about his man plowing right over him on defense.
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6/8/2008  8:11 PM
He doesn't look like a project to me. He looks like a dude that knows exactly what he can do. If anything he needs the experience and confidence on the next level. We won't know what he realy can do until he plays a NBA game.

Yo man I can see Chandler @ the 4 with Randolph @ the 3. Chandler is kind of a tweener. He is deceptive in his quickness on the perimeter and strength inside. Those could be some awesome targets @ the 4-3.
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6/8/2008  8:12 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

Randolph definitely looks like a unique player, and one I wouldn't mind using the pick on at all.
So far (assuming Mayo doesn't slide and we are unable to move up), I still have Westbrook as choice 1A with Randolph 1B. I would not be disappointed with Randolph by any means, but Westbrook just seems like a lock down defender at a position we definitely need some help at. Randolph is a very nice project, but I just get concerned about his man plowing right over him on defense.

This is a legit concern at this point in time, but I do think he's got a chance to grow into his body a bit more. He's only 18!!! I also think that any slim player can learn how to defend against stronger players and a guy like Prince has been able to do that using his quick feet, length and timing.

I do like Westbrook and would have no problem with him. We really need multiple 1st rd. picks, to be honest. Either that or Walsh will have to address our need for a real point.
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6/8/2008  8:20 PM
Randolph and Westbrook........I think you must draft Randolph @ #6 if he is there......then you try to find a way to get another pick right behind #6 cuz westbrook is gonna get picked shortly after.

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6/8/2008  8:51 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

Randolph definitely looks like a unique player, and one I wouldn't mind using the pick on at all.
So far (assuming Mayo doesn't slide and we are unable to move up), I still have Westbrook as choice 1A with Randolph 1B. I would not be disappointed with Randolph by any means, but Westbrook just seems like a lock down defender at a position we definitely need some help at. Randolph is a very nice project, but I just get concerned about his man plowing right over him on defense.

This is why Randolph is a slightly better prospect

Here are his high totals
Points 29 Alabama
Rebounds 19 Vanderbilt
Assists 4 Auburn
Steals 4 Kentucky
Blocks 5 Auburn--these are all major college programs

His ability to perform in every category at 6-10+ Westrbook would be a great pick I would not be mad at taking Westbrook at all but Randolph has the higher ceiling. and I love westbrook
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6/8/2008  9:18 PM
Josh Smith is the same comp that I think of, but a better passer. Anyway, I think he's definitely a small forward. He's not going to bulk up like Bosh or Jermaine O'Neal have.

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1. Anthony Randolph
2. Russell Westbrook
3. Eric Gordon
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6/8/2008  10:10 PM
I'm not as high on Randolph as many others here. What I like about him is his handle for a big man and his good shot blocking ability. He's definitely a 3 in the nba. Power forwards will beat up on him until he puts on some muscle and I'm not sure that he'll be able to do that. He doesn't have a great shot for a small forward and he's not a great passer. I think 6 is kind of high to pick him. I'd rather have Love, Gordon or Westbrook - not to mention Mayo or Bayless should either of them fall to us.
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6/8/2008  11:25 PM
Posted by Ira:

I'm not as high on Randolph as many others here. What I like about him is his handle for a big man and his good shot blocking ability. He's definitely a 3 in the nba. Power forwards will beat up on him until he puts on some muscle and I'm not sure that he'll be able to do that. He doesn't have a great shot for a small forward and he's not a great passer. I think 6 is kind of high to pick him. I'd rather have Love, Gordon or Westbrook - not to mention Mayo or Bayless should either of them fall to us.

I think most of us would want Mayo over Randolph, this is about the likelyhood that Mayo isn't there. Then you have to think about guys like Westbrook and Randolph, cuz they bring some defensive and offensive skills that fit in an uptempo style like we'll play.
Gordon is also a good value at 6, tho I'm not so sure about his defense and the fact that he's another SG, which we don't need as much.
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6/8/2008  11:28 PM
is anthony randolph a can't miss player?

if the answer is yes, then the knicks should draft him.

if the answer is no...then you must ask yourself, are the knicks a team that's going to take a risk with the #6 pick?

imho, the answer is no. i think they trade the pick.
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6/8/2008  11:58 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

is anthony randolph a can't miss player?

if the answer is yes, then the knicks should draft him.

if the answer is no...then you must ask yourself, are the knicks a team that's going to take a risk with the #6 pick?

imho, the answer is no. i think they trade the pick.
The problem is that NY has to wait for the draft to see if a player falls to them, so trading the pick will be a very interesting decision to make. I can't say that Randolph is a can't miss player but he has the potential to be a stud and to me that's what you want from a pick. A high degree of upside and the way he looks it's very likely he'll be a good risk. Heck I think Lee, Nate and Chan have turned out really well in terms of showing promise on their potential and Randolph is a higher level talent going into the draft. So I say he's worth taking at 6 if Mayo or someone better doesn't fall.
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6/8/2008  11:59 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

is anthony randolph a can't miss player?

if the answer is yes, then the knicks should draft him.

if the answer is no...then you must ask yourself, are the knicks a team that's going to take a risk with the #6 pick?

imho, the answer is no. i think they trade the pick.


DJ --what is the biggest problem the Knicks made over the last 6 years? they didnt use their lottery picks in the draft and the one time they used it got it wrong by being conservative. we couldve built a pomising team by now with solid execution and maybe a little foresight. Nope we should use this pick and take the player they believe has the highest ceiling for this system. And if the NY Knick scouting Dept is inept at exceuting some solid drafts maybe we should put together a new team of scouts.
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6/9/2008  12:19 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:

is anthony randolph a can't miss player?

if the answer is yes, then the knicks should draft him.

if the answer is no...then you must ask yourself, are the knicks a team that's going to take a risk with the #6 pick?

imho, the answer is no. i think they trade the pick.


DJ --what is the biggest problem the Knicks made over the last 6 years? they didnt use their lottery picks in the draft and the one time they used it got it wrong by being conservative. we couldve built a pomising team by now with solid execution and maybe a little foresight. Nope we should use this pick and take the player they believe has the highest ceiling for this system. And if the NY Knick scouting Dept is inept at exceuting some solid drafts maybe we should put together a new team of scouts.

i agree. but again, let's say they take randolph...and he is a bust, what then? as the gm of the new york knicks...do you have that luxury when you know we have a 2009 pick but none in 2010? this is THE most important pick they have had in a while...and will have in a while. i agree with you...we need to use our picks. but if you're the knicks gm...what do you do realistically? i think you have to do everything in your power to get the #3 pick. otherwise, trade down and dump a contract.
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6/9/2008  12:33 AM
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:

is anthony randolph a can't miss player?

if the answer is yes, then the knicks should draft him.

if the answer is no...then you must ask yourself, are the knicks a team that's going to take a risk with the #6 pick?

imho, the answer is no. i think they trade the pick.


DJ --what is the biggest problem the Knicks made over the last 6 years? they didnt use their lottery picks in the draft and the one time they used it got it wrong by being conservative. we couldve built a pomising team by now with solid execution and maybe a little foresight. Nope we should use this pick and take the player they believe has the highest ceiling for this system. And if the NY Knick scouting Dept is inept at exceuting some solid drafts maybe we should put together a new team of scouts.

i agree. but again, let's say they take randolph...and he is a bust, what then? as the gm of the new york knicks...do you have that luxury when you know we have a 2009 pick but none in 2010? this is THE most important pick they have had in a while...and will have in a while. i agree with you...we need to use our picks. but if you're the knicks gm...what do you do realistically? i think you have to do everything in your power to get the #3 pick. otherwise, trade down and dump a contract.

How does trade down and dump a contract improve the team? There are very good players on the board at 6--you simply have to take which you feel will be the best one. I am HIGHLY HIGHLY confident we will get a VERY good player at 6==this is a good draft almost impossible to scrw this draft up to be honest--this has a lot of talent 1-13. Is taking KG a risk is taking bynum a risk is taking dirk a risk etc..--the good teams take some risk and rely on their instincts.

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6/9/2008  12:40 AM
briggs, i don't disagree with you.

but i'm coming from a the perspective of being a gm in new york city. that's different from being a gm in minny and dallas. i'll give you LA but they already had kobe on the roster so if the gamble fails...they still have the draw to sell tickets.
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