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islesfan
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6/4/2008  11:23 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by purple012870:

Spoke about:

-2010 FA & desire to have cap space, spoke about discipline associated with that
-D'antoni at length
-finding out who the players were after a system & a coach who coaches is in place

It was a good piece. Who gives a rat's a_ss about where Isiah is now? He's not part of the future or present. If he's scouting Serbian waterboys, good...make him work for the $ they technically owe him.

Are we allowed to be hopeful about anything? I mean, after years of unmitigated crap, can't we be hopeful? Can't we enjoy a the hiring of an elite coach or anticipate a lottery pick w/o all the negativity?

Its funny how they want Walsh to throw Isiah under the bus. What is he suppose to say that Isiah is a scumbag. Come on no decent man throws anyone under the bus especially when they are friends from the past. No matter how you really feel about a person you just don't say anything controversial.

How is firing someone who everyone in the free world completely agrees deserves to be fired, throwing him under the bus??? Do you even know what that saying is supposed to mean?

What would have been controversial about firing Isiah? Keeping him around is controversial, not the other way around. Who would have thought badly of Walsh if he had done the right thing and fired Isiah? I don't expect an answer, because there is none.


I think your misunderstanding Isles, everyone know what Isiah is I'm sure it wouldn't help Walsh to go out and ridicule Isiah in public. It would have made a lot of us happy but at the same time the Media would have a field day with Walsh thats just the way it is. It wouldn't have been pretty for Walsh. I know there is no defending Isiah and there shouldn't be because he is and always will be a con artist.

Walsh had to ridicule Isiah in order to justifiably fire him and that would make Walsh look bad?!? What the hell are you talking about?

You're right, I don't understand you. Please explain what happens after Walsh tells Isiah that he's sorry but he has to let him go to get a fresh start for the franchise. How exactly does the media have a field day with this and make Walsh look bad.
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6/4/2008  11:29 PM
Posted by Uptown:
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His reason for hiring D'Antonio Mcdyess vs Mark Jackson made no sense. He said it didn't make sense to hire a lesser coach.


Then why was Mark even a candidate to begin with?

He was going to be the lesser coach 100 times out of 100. He hired D'Antonio Sabato Jr. simply because he became available and was the biggest name out there. If he remained in Phx we all know Mark Jackson the lesser coach would be coaching our team. LOL then he went on to give the example how he did this before hiring Bird the lesser coach taking over for the more experienced coach Brown and relating how Bird took them to the Finals when Larry didn't and you have Chad Fraud lapping this Ish up like a puppy drinking water out his dish bowl instead of calling him out on the hypocrisy. Seriously I don't the screws are all there with Walsh.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-04-2008 9:42 PM]


Mark Jackson wouldn't be viewed as a lesser coach if he's competing against himself for the job. The inexperienced Jackson is obviously a lesser coach than a man who has average 58 wins per over the last 4 seasons. If Phil Jackson and D'Antoni became available at the same time, and walsh hired Jackson, the statement Walsh made about not hiring the lesser coach would still apply.

This would only make sense if DW barred interviewing any other candidate than Mark Jackson and I'm sure you know how shortsighted that would have been. This wasn't going to be a limited interviewing process even if D'Antonio Lopez wasnt hired.
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6/4/2008  11:34 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

His reason for hiring D'Antonio Mcdyess vs Mark Jackson made no sense. He said it didn't make sense to hire a lesser coach.


Then why was Mark even a candidate to begin with?

He was going to be the lesser coach 100 times out of 100. He hired D'Antonio Sabato Jr. simply because he became available and was the biggest name out there. If he remained in Phx we all know Mark Jackson the lesser coach would be coaching our team. LOL then he went on to give the example how he did this before hiring Bird the lesser coach taking over for the more experienced coach Brown and relating how Bird took them to the Finals when Larry didn't and you have Chad Fraud lapping this Ish up like a puppy drinking water out his dish bowl instead of calling him out on the hypocrisy. Seriously I don't the screws are all there with Walsh.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-04-2008 9:42 PM]

Wait. What did he say that was hypocrisy?
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6/5/2008  12:01 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

LOL He's opening the door to backtracking chewing into the cap space. He said there would be exceptions and clarified a few players would qualify for those exceptions. Discipline would have to be exercised but if say..... Michael Redd can be had we're biting because he's the quintessential D'Antonio Banderas player. Throw in Jermaine O'neal as a possible also.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-04-2008 9:47 PM]

backtracking? Man, For some reason, whenever Walsh says something you and I seem to hear two totally different things. He said that of course there would be some exceptions to protecting the cap flexibility 2 years from now, and that they would have to be very very small exceptions, and that the no. of players that would be exceptions isn't very large. To me that's just stating the obvious. If for some reason, Amare Stoudemire, or Carmelo Anthony became available for a good price, you really wouldn't consider giving up cap space in order to trade for them? that doesn't make sense to me since you get under the cap in order to have a chance at getting players like that.

I wouldn't have a problem with it if the Knicks did something like that so long as they don't make stupid signings and moves that hinder Cap Flexibility for no legitimate reason (like signing Jared Jeffries, or Trading for the extremely highly paid Zach Randolph, etc. etc.) Based on the way Walsh said NY's strength was the ability to go into the FA market at the right times, I would say that he wouldn't do any of those things.
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6/5/2008  12:10 AM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by TrueBlue:

LOL He's opening the door to backtracking chewing into the cap space. He said there would be exceptions and clarified a few players would qualify for those exceptions. Discipline would have to be exercised but if say..... Michael Redd can be had we're biting because he's the quintessential D'Antonio Banderas player. Throw in Jermaine O'neal as a possible also.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-04-2008 9:47 PM]

backtracking? Man, For some reason, whenever Walsh says something you and I seem to hear two totally different things. He said that of course there would be some exceptions to protecting the cap flexibility 2 years from now, and that they would have to be very very small exceptions, and that the no. of players that would be exceptions isn't very large. To me that's just stating the obvious. If for some reason, Amare Stoudemire, or Carmelo Anthony became available for a good price, you really wouldn't consider giving up cap space in order to trade for them? that doesn't make sense to me since you get under the cap in order to have a chance at getting players like that.

I wouldn't have a problem with it if the Knicks did something like that so long as they don't make stupid signings and moves that hinder Cap Flexibility for no legitimate reason (like signing Jared Jeffries, or Trading for the extremely highly paid Zach Randolph, etc. etc.) Based on the way Walsh said NY's strength was the ability to go into the FA market at the right times, I would say that he wouldn't do any of those things.

Totally agree with this. This is the same way my ears recieved this interview.


[Edited by - uptown on 06-05-2008 12:11 AM]
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6/5/2008  12:12 AM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by TrueBlue:

LOL He's opening the door to backtracking chewing into the cap space. He said there would be exceptions and clarified a few players would qualify for those exceptions. Discipline would have to be exercised but if say..... Michael Redd can be had we're biting because he's the quintessential D'Antonio Banderas player. Throw in Jermaine O'neal as a possible also.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-04-2008 9:47 PM]

backtracking? Man, For some reason, whenever Walsh says something you and I seem to hear two totally different things. He said that of course there would be some exceptions to protecting the cap flexibility 2 years from now, and that they would have to be very very small exceptions, and that the no. of players that would be exceptions isn't very large. To me that's just stating the obvious. If for some reason, Amare Stoudemire, or Carmelo Anthony became available for a good price, you really wouldn't consider giving up cap space in order to trade for them? that doesn't make sense to me since you get under the cap in order to have a chance at getting players like that.

I wouldn't have a problem with it if the Knicks did something like that so long as they don't make stupid signings and moves that hinder Cap Flexibility for no legitimate reason (like signing Jared Jeffries, or Trading for the extremely highly paid Zach Randolph, etc. etc.) Based on the way Walsh said NY's strength was the ability to go into the FA market at the right times, I would say that he wouldn't do any of those things.

Totally agree with this. This is the same way my ears recieved this interview.


[Edited by - uptown on 06-05-2008 12:11 AM]

Same. Trueblueballs is just all up tight.
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6/5/2008  9:44 AM
Seriously, I've been a pretty big Isiah hater for the last few years.
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6/5/2008  10:27 AM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by TrueBlue:

LOL He's opening the door to backtracking chewing into the cap space. He said there would be exceptions and clarified a few players would qualify for those exceptions. Discipline would have to be exercised but if say..... Michael Redd can be had we're biting because he's the quintessential D'Antonio Banderas player. Throw in Jermaine O'neal as a possible also.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-04-2008 9:47 PM]

backtracking? Man, For some reason, whenever Walsh says something you and I seem to hear two totally different things. He said that of course there would be some exceptions to protecting the cap flexibility 2 years from now, and that they would have to be very very small exceptions, and that the no. of players that would be exceptions isn't very large. To me that's just stating the obvious. If for some reason, Amare Stoudemire, or Carmelo Anthony became available for a good price, you really wouldn't consider giving up cap space in order to trade for them? that doesn't make sense to me since you get under the cap in order to have a chance at getting players like that.

I wouldn't have a problem with it if the Knicks did something like that so long as they don't make stupid signings and moves that hinder Cap Flexibility for no legitimate reason (like signing Jared Jeffries, or Trading for the extremely highly paid Zach Randolph, etc. etc.) Based on the way Walsh said NY's strength was the ability to go into the FA market at the right times, I would say that he wouldn't do any of those things.

Totally agree with this. This is the same way my ears recieved this interview.


[Edited by - uptown on 06-05-2008 12:11 AM]
exactly what I have been saying. Part of what I have been posting lately is trying to gauge poster's thoughts on what players fall under that category. Does Bogut? (If you take Redd with him) and so on an so forth. Would Gasol have been? Its good debate.. but I stick by the Knicks having a much better change to trade for upper echelon talent than to sign it via FA because that just doesnt happen in this league

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6/5/2008  11:01 AM
I can see how posters have gotten so upset after all the bad teams we've had and the dumb moves we've made. But Donnie is a level headed guy. He's hired one of the best coaches in the league and he's emphasized from his side the importance of getting our cap under control. It's understandable that some may be suspicious after going through what we've all had to go through as fans of this team, but I really feel that there is finally light at the end of the tunnel and it's not an illusion. It's for real.
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6/5/2008  3:58 PM
neither Bogut nor Redd fall under that category & neither did Gasol... those are all players that you try to acquire to complement the #1 option guy... they are #2 option talents... we should never sacrifice our longterm cap right now unless we're acquiring a #1 option talent... no more Zach Randolph & Jalen Rose type acquisitions.
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6/15/2008  1:51 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

LOL He's opening the door to backtracking chewing into the cap space. He said there would be exceptions and clarified a few players would qualify for those exceptions. Discipline would have to be exercised but if say..... Michael Redd can be had we're biting because he's the quintessential D'Antonio Banderas player. Throw in Jermaine O'neal as a possible also.



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6/15/2008  1:54 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TrueBlue:

LOL He's opening the door to backtracking chewing into the cap space. He said there would be exceptions and clarified a few players would qualify for those exceptions. Discipline would have to be exercised but if say..... Michael Redd can be had we're biting because he's the quintessential D'Antonio Banderas player. Throw in Jermaine O'neal as a possible also.



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Isn't Redd piquing the Knick's curiosity just a rumor? I don't know if that qualifies as "I told you so" material. There have been rumors in Newspapers that Walsh shot down before.
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6/15/2008  2:50 PM
I am surprised he is not looking at Mo Williams. He needs a point guard and the same article speculated that Mo could be had for a late first round pick.
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6/15/2008  2:52 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I am surprised he is not looking at Mo Williams. He needs a point guard and the same article speculated that Mo could be had for a late first round pick.

No Briggs said Mo Williams>>>>>>>>>>>All Combo guards(slated picks 3-15) in this draft. The Bucks should be trying to trade Mo for a #6 pick or at least start that high.
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6/15/2008  3:22 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I am surprised he is not looking at Mo Williams. He needs a point guard and the same article speculated that Mo could be had for a late first round pick.

No Briggs said Mo Williams>>>>>>>>>>>All Combo guards(slated picks 3-15) in this draft. The Bucks should be trying to trade Mo for a #6 pick or at least start that high.
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6/15/2008  8:55 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by purple012870:

Spoke about:

-2010 FA & desire to have cap space, spoke about discipline associated with that
-D'antoni at length
-finding out who the players were after a system & a coach who coaches is in place

It was a good piece. Who gives a rat's a_ss about where Isiah is now? He's not part of the future or present. If he's scouting Serbian waterboys, good...make him work for the $ they technically owe him.

Are we allowed to be hopeful about anything? I mean, after years of unmitigated crap, can't we be hopeful? Can't we enjoy a the hiring of an elite coach or anticipate a lottery pick w/o all the negativity?

Its funny how they want Walsh to throw Isiah under the bus. What is he suppose to say that Isiah is a scumbag. Come on no decent man throws anyone under the bus especially when they are friends from the past. No matter how you really feel about a person you just don't say anything controversial.

How is firing someone who everyone in the free world completely agrees deserves to be fired, throwing him under the bus??? Do you even know what that saying is supposed to mean?

What would have been controversial about firing Isiah? Keeping him around is controversial, not the other way around. Who would have thought badly of Walsh if he had done the right thing and fired Isiah? I don't expect an answer, because there is none.

Agreed, it wouldnt be controversial and would be much welcomed but it will generate too much press which i dont think is what we would need right now. Though it's the least he deserved considering that he DID throw Chaney and Brown under the bus. Let him go quietly mid season. After the stink job he did doubt he would get another job in the NBA.
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