I hope this turns out to be false. Gordon will be a decent NBA player but he doesn't have star potential like Mayo. If we are lucky enough to have Mayo at 6 and pass him up for anyone else I will rush the desk that Stephen A is seated at and I will take out my frustrations on him.

I like Mayo's defense better than Gordon's, but I think Gordon's the better penetrator and goes to the line more. I might take Mayo, too. But for me it's more like 6 of one, half dozen of the other. I wouldn't be disappointed with Gordon at 6.

If we took Love at 6 and then worked out a trade centered on Lee to get the 8th pick and used the 8th to get Gordon, I'd be a very happy Knick fan.

Posted by tkf:




yea, people are just not high on him, as I wasn't earlier in this year, I wanted rose or mayo, but you can't deny that gordon may be a worthy top 6 pick. He has a boat load of skills and an NBA ready body.. If not for the NCAA tourney would Dwayne Wade had gone as high in the draft? I mean he still would have been the same player most likely..... A friend of mine, from NY who now lives here in Georgia swears by Eric gordon, he says he has this quality about him that is just nasty on the court.. My friend usually is good about reading guys like this. BTW he doesn't like mayo and thinks rose is way overrated, but again, he has only been right about 18 out of 20 times this year on games, players, boxings matches, etc.. LOL..... go figure. right...?

I felt the same way about Gordon when I saw him.........

Bullcrap---EG==Dwayne Wade--stop the jibber. He's no where near the class of rebounder playmaker[assists] defender and especially ballhandler[and dwayne is only average]

If you look at the two players Westbrook is much more a Dwayne Wade comparison--I think he's something of an Alvin Robertson/Monta Ellis hybrid. Like Dwayne Westbrook can pass rebound defend playmake--their shots are also similar IMHO.

Taking their numbers only against good teams no cupcakes

best game output

EG 29 twice against GT and Northwestern rebounds 6 twice against Pennt State and Ohio State TO's 7 three times [as a caveat he averaged more TO than rebounds and assits and he did not play PG very high for a 2G] assists 4 twice steals 4 once

Westbrook High 22 twice once against Memphis in the final four amd Az Rebounding highs 11 twice Stanford W KY Assists 8 once 7 4 times TOs 5 5 times steals 5

So taking a look at their best game numbers

eg 29 points 6 rebounds 4 assists 4 steals
RW 22 points 11 rebounds 8 assits 5 steals

Posted by Ira:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Bullcrap---EG==Dwayne Wade--stop the jibber. He's no where near the class of rebounder playmaker[assists] defender and especially ballhandler[and dwayne is only average]

If you look at the two players Westbrook is much more a Dwayne Wade comparison--I think he's something of an Alvin Robertson/Monta Ellis hybrid. Like Dwayne Westbrook can pass rebound defend playmake--their shots are also similar IMHO.

Taking their numbers only against good teams no cupcakes

best game output

EG 29 twice against GT and Northwestern rebounds 6 twice against Pennt State and Ohio State TO's 7 three times [as a caveat he averaged more TO than rebounds and assits and he did not play PG very high for a 2G] assists 4 twice steals 4 once

Westbrook High 22 twice once against Memphis in the final four amd Az Rebounding highs 11 twice Stanford W KY Assists 8 once 7 4 times TOs 5 5 times steals 5

So taking a look at their best game numbers

eg 29 points 6 rebounds 4 assists 4 steals
RW 22 points 11 rebounds 8 assits 5 steals

I agree about Gordon's turnovers. They are a major concern - especially for a team that has huge turnover problems the last few years. Also, it's true that in every other area besides scoring, Westbrook has the edge. Give Gordon his due, though. He's a much better scorer than Westbrook.

Regarding their best games, if we went by that, Jamal Crawford would be an all star.

If he's available, I'd like to draft Kevin Love at 6, then work out a trade with Lee as the centerpiece to get the 7th, 8th or 9th pick and use that to draft Westbrook or Gordon. My real dream draft is coming out of this with Bayless and Love, but that's shooting for the moon.



[Edited by - ira on 06-04-2008 05:32 AM]

Not saying Gordon doesnt have serious potential and certainly his physical measurements and combine helped him as much as anyone--Joe Alexander and Gordon. But that doesnt take away what he is a pure 6-3 SG Wade is a playmaking combo guard. Gordon could average 25 a game in this league but is he going to shoot 42% and give me very little in terms of D R P?

I will say this about Gordon, he has a very strong backer in Rick Majerus. Majerus is the guy that some execs like Riley, Sloan and Popovich goto when they want to know how they think a player will translate well into the NBA. Majerus pleaded with Riley to take Wade, he pleaded with Sloan to take Deron Williams, he also tried to tell Herb Kohl NOT to take Bogut with the #1 pick, although he thought he would be a solid player, just not #1 worthy.

With all that said, Majerus LOVES Gordon and he thinks he's going to be one of the steals of this draft.. thats high praise from a guy with a great track record like Majerus has.

Posted by nyk4ever:

I will say this about Gordon, he has a very strong backer in Rick Majerus. Majerus is the guy that some execs like Riley, Sloan and Popovich goto when they want to know how they think a player will translate well into the NBA. Majerus pleaded with Riley to take Wade, he pleaded with Sloan to take Deron Williams, he also tried to tell Herb Kohl NOT to take Bogut with the #1 pick, although he thought he would be a solid player, just not #1 worthy.

With all that said, Majerus LOVES Gordon and he thinks he's going to be one of the steals of this draft.. thats high praise from a guy with a great track record like Majerus has.

WOW, I didn't know that. If the guy is that kind of talent evaluator he could be on to something. I just wonder tho if he's not more of the same kind of player we've been taking.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by efw:

Gordon's college ball reminds me of Crawford's. Don't know exact stats, but their games seem very similar.

if the knicks take eric gordon...i'm guessing crawford's days are numbered.

Let's hope so. Please let this happen.

Posted by nyk4ever:

I will say this about Gordon, he has a very strong backer in Rick Majerus. Majerus is the guy that some execs like Riley, Sloan and Popovich goto when they want to know how they think a player will translate well into the NBA. Majerus pleaded with Riley to take Wade, he pleaded with Sloan to take Deron Williams, he also tried to tell Herb Kohl NOT to take Bogut with the #1 pick, although he thought he would be a solid player, just not #1 worthy.

With all that said, Majerus LOVES Gordon and he thinks he's going to be one of the steals of this draft.. thats high praise from a guy with a great track record like Majerus has.

He goes way overboard. Just remember two years ago how Marvin Williams would be 1 st team all NBA one day--hey I guess he didnt see the talent in Paul Williams Bynum Granger etc.. it's not an exact science. The problem I see with Gordon--and this is watching him a few times--I saw him against CT--he either shoots a three or drives. He doesnt like to pass and he doesnt seem to have a good mid range game[although he could because hes an awesome FT shooter]. The thing I took away from the Uconn team is that size bothered him. He was thrwated at the basket by Thabeet 3-4 times and after he hit a coupel of shots to start the game off--he was just stopped by good defense and he did not go to a passing game to help move guys off of him. He wasnt even keyed--played straight up. He's an excellent scorer but he needs to learn how to diversify his game quite a bit. And even if Westbrook and Gordon match close atletically Westbrook's game is catered all around and he seems to have much more of an agile body which is why he is good on the D.

Im not a fan of Gordons. I did like the NIN song used in his video. He's ok, but I dont see star or potential star written on him. OJ MAyo and Kevin love are the two guys I see with those qualities that we have a chance at picking.

BTW how come no youtube video of Anthony Randolph exists?

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by efw:

Gordon's college ball reminds me of Crawford's. Don't know exact stats, but their games seem very similar.

if the knicks take eric gordon...i'm guessing crawford's days are numbered.

Seems more likely that they just wouldn't take Gordon. Doesn't seem like he'd end up much better than Crawford. I don't see any indication of a stronger knowledge of fundamentals. And Crawford seems the better passer. I'd trade down if that was the case.