Posted by Ira:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by BRIGGS:

The biggest loser in the physical part is Augustin. While you only take some of this into consideration--he was small and he did not measure up athletically to guards who were 3-5 inches taller and was the wekaest/lighest player there. I can see why he struugled against chalmers and rose and there is no chance that he should be our pick

Yep... I backed him this season but at tournament time he really, really struggled. Rsoe is going to be a very good player (at least) and Chalmers likely maxes out as a very good back-up. Even though I think he is an exceptional distributor, my money is on Augustin flopping at the next level. Even if you are someone who believes he'll pan out at the next level, I don't think anyone will disagree that drafting him will either be a home run or a strikeout. That's a risk I don't think this team can afford.

Nothing here surprised me that much except Augustine. I knew Randolph was going to come around 200 but he isalso 18 years old and he measured strong athletic and long.

I wasn't that high on Randolph to begin with. Now, I feel he's a better candidate for anorexia than to be an nba forward. When someone's above 6'10 and weighs under 200 lbs, you have to question whether he can put on weight. He did come in long. As far as athletic, Kevin Love jumped as high and timed faster with an additional 58 lbs to move. As far as strong, it wasn't a disaster, but pressing 185 lbs 7 times is not a great feat of strength for a future nba forward.

Posted by playa2:

Posted by BRIGGS:

The biggest loser in the physical part is Augustin. While you only take some of this into consideration--he was small and he did not measure up athletically to guards who were 3-5 inches taller and was the wekaest/lighest player there. I can see why he struugled against chalmers and rose and there is no chance that he should be our pick

Briggs tell that to my man Swish.

DJ is going to drop worse than Jameer Nelson did a few years ago. 5'10 170... Evil is bigger

Jerryd Bayless is a legit 6-3 in shoes, and as expected has a very poor wingspan at 6-3 ½. He did well in the combine, though, jumping 38 inches, lifting the 185 bar 10 times, running 11.26 in the lane agility drills, and sprinting ¾ court in 3.07 seconds.

Posted by Anji:

When was the last time a 6'2 guard that wasn't a scoring machine or a pure point guard coming out of college, was a franchise player???


And Beasley......... my word people were saying he is 6'10, he is smaller then melo. This draft has no franchise players. Zero.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Anji:

When was the last time a 6'2 guard that wasn't a scoring machine or a pure point guard coming out of college, was a franchise player???


And Beasley......... my word people were saying he is 6'10, he is smaller then melo. This draft has no franchise players. Zero.

This is a bit strong don't you think? Size is not always that important in determining if someone will be dominant or not. Barkley was short as heck, but he made up for that with his other physical talents and heart. I see no reason why some of these guys can't do similar things. Isiah was a small guard that reached the highest levels. There are plenty of examples to go by. Heck Nash isn't an atheltic freak with great size or strength either, but he's an amazing BB player and hard worker.

Elton Brand is undersized to a degree

Yeah, but those freakin long arms and his skill at creating just enough space to get his shot off. It's often overrated how tall a player is or not. A lot of these guys have short necks, tho it sounds funny it's true. My son is shorter than me, but he has longer arms and bigger hands and he often surprises me with how he is able to block my shot or get his shot off over me. Arm length can make a huge difference.

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Posted by Cosmic:

Full list now out

draft measurements

Eric Gordon. 6'2" no shoes, 224 pounds. Human Meatball anyone? He is the heaviest by far for anyone near that height that matters - or - the shortest by far for anyone near that weight that matters depending on how you like to look at it. Figure a few NBA paycheck sponsored lunches and this guy could be in the 230s at 6'2". Eh...I dunno about this guy.

For comparison: Allan Houston, 6'6", 220 pounds and was one solid dude.

He also was one of the best athletes by far. IF he changed his game a bit--if he concentrated much more on the dribble drive and mid range game instead of sitting 30 feet from the basket waiting to hoist it up, I would be highly interested in him. Im not saying dont shoot 3s because he has great form--Im saying get into the lane more and MOVe around picks[something he did a sht poor job of] to get free for 16 footers instead of 30. If you take away his 3 point att he shot well OVER 50% . If he PLAYS the right way--this is a Charles Barkley type player from the 2 guard. If he opts to take 8 30 footers a game---he might average 20 but shoot 40-42% and his size on the D isnt going to make up for it. Either he conforms his game and moves in or I would not be interested. There was one game in particular that disgusted me where he shot 16 3's in one game--that is a red flag jacking that many shots up and it was not like he was hot. Hes got to move his game IN if he does that if he takes adavnatge of his powerful yet fairly agile body and that great mid range stroke--if he works harder on the other end then he could be a player. If Im getting a guy happy to sit out on the 3 point line forget it.

reminds me of the scouting report for Q

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Anji:

When was the last time a 6'2 guard that wasn't a scoring machine or a pure point guard coming out of college, was a franchise player???


And Beasley......... my word people were saying he is 6'10, he is smaller then melo. This draft has no franchise players. Zero.

This is a bit strong don't you think? Size is not always that important in determining if someone will be dominant or not. Barkley was short as heck, but he made up for that with his other physical talents and heart. I see no reason why some of these guys can't do similar things. Isiah was a small guard that reached the highest levels. There are plenty of examples to go by. Heck Nash isn't an atheltic freak with great size or strength either, but he's an amazing BB player and hard worker.