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Is Walsh Cliff Noting Jim Bilas As To Who He Should Pick..... Bayless or Mayo?
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5/29/2008  6:58 PM
just when i was about to jump on the Eric Gordon bandwagon, u had to spoil everything Vmart.
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5/29/2008  7:03 PM
Posted by TMS:

just when i was about to jump on the Eric Gordon bandwagon, u had to spoil everything Vmart.


I like Gordon I think he is gonna be one hell of a NBA player. This guy is a scorer.
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5/29/2008  7:33 PM
Posted by Vmart:

If there ever was a whimsical person its Jay Bilas. One minute he say Gordon is a player he would select over Rose and Beasley, next minute he is saying on radio tht Gordon has absolutley no handle.

So much for believing this chump.

To be fair he was asked "AS OF TODAY" early in March and going from #1 to #4 or #5 isn't necessarily a bad thing. Then again he commented on the fact Danilo Gallinari will be better than Bargnani. Maybe we should shudder at the thought.

Plus Bilas is doing no different than what Briggs has done here every since the start of the yr. What does Briggs do?....

"HE'S A LEFT THINKING SOUTH BRAIN, SWITCH IT UP. YOU THINK HE'S PICKIN THIS PROSPECT WHEN HE'S REALLY CHANGING HIS MIND AND PICKING THIS PROSPECT"

This board clamors over his Fluid and ever changing input.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-29-2008 6:36 PM]
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5/29/2008  8:47 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Vmart:

If there ever was a whimsical person its Jay Bilas. One minute he say Gordon is a player he would select over Rose and Beasley, next minute he is saying on radio tht Gordon has absolutley no handle.

So much for believing this chump.

To be fair he was asked "AS OF TODAY" early in March and going from #1 to #4 or #5 isn't necessarily a bad thing. Then again he commented on the fact Danilo Gallinari will be better than Bargnani. Maybe we should shudder at the thought.

Plus Bilas is doing no different than what Briggs has done here every since the start of the yr. What does Briggs do?....

"HE'S A LEFT THINKING SOUTH BRAIN, SWITCH IT UP. YOU THINK HE'S PICKIN THIS PROSPECT WHEN HE'S REALLY CHANGING HIS MIND AND PICKING THIS PROSPECT"

This board clamors over his Fluid and ever changing input.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-29-2008 6:36 PM]

As an expert analyst you can't make such statement especially when his opinions seem to carry weight with people who are fans of the NBA. One minute your telling the people this is a can't miss player and then you come out and says he has absolutely no handle whatsoever, what was he looking at all through the year. We aren't to far removed from March either. As for BRIGGS I value his opinions but I happen to make my own judgements on the players I want.
But to be fair BRIGGS brings a lot of players to attention for the member on the board. I remember when BRIGGS was adamant about Amare and I was NENE guy. His list is long and he has come up with some good prospect. See the thing with BRIGGS is he is going to give names of prospects until he get closer to the draft and eventually he will settle on the one he think the Knicks should draft, he has a method to his madness. Thats the thing you can't say I want this guy and just stick with him you have to have an open mind on players coming out and see their strong point and weaknesses. But Bilas its this guys job to analyse and making such bold statements as he did with Gordon what does that say about his ability to judge talent.
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5/29/2008  9:21 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Vmart:

If there ever was a whimsical person its Jay Bilas. One minute he say Gordon is a player he would select over Rose and Beasley, next minute he is saying on radio tht Gordon has absolutley no handle.

So much for believing this chump.

To be fair he was asked "AS OF TODAY" early in March and going from #1 to #4 or #5 isn't necessarily a bad thing. Then again he commented on the fact Danilo Gallinari will be better than Bargnani. Maybe we should shudder at the thought.

Plus Bilas is doing no different than what Briggs has done here every since the start of the yr. What does Briggs do?....

"HE'S A LEFT THINKING SOUTH BRAIN, SWITCH IT UP. YOU THINK HE'S PICKIN THIS PROSPECT WHEN HE'S REALLY CHANGING HIS MIND AND PICKING THIS PROSPECT"

This board clamors over his Fluid and ever changing input.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-29-2008 6:36 PM]

As an expert analyst you can't make such statement especially when his opinions seem to carry weight with people who are fans of the NBA. One minute your telling the people this is a can't miss player and then you come out and says he has absolutely no handle whatsoever, what was he looking at all through the year. We aren't to far removed from March either. As for BRIGGS I value his opinions but I happen to make my own judgements on the players I want.
But to be fair BRIGGS brings a lot of players to attention for the member on the board. I remember when BRIGGS was adamant about Amare and I was NENE guy. His list is long and he has come up with some good prospect. See the thing with BRIGGS is he is going to give names of prospects until he get closer to the draft and eventually he will settle on the one he think the Knicks should draft, he has a method to his madness. Thats the thing you can't say I want this guy and just stick with him you have to have an open mind on players coming out and see their strong point and weaknesses. But Bilas its this guys job to analyse and making such bold statements as he did with Gordon what does that say about his ability to judge talent.


He changed his mind there is no set rule that says because you're an analyst you can't revisit your assessments. I think he should stick to his guns as should anyone else. If you assess all the way up to draft day and make several changes you're not a true evaluator of talent. Bilas essentially revisited and looked at their full Body Of Work over the season and reassessed the prospects. I will say he pretty much was consistent in last yr's draft, the yr before he was hit and miss. One definitely shouldn't be making changes after all games are played IMO. A player either has talent or he doesn't. One who evaluates talent either sees it or he doesn't. Just because a player may get hot during a Camp or measure more impressive than expected shouldn't cause flip-Ginobli.
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5/30/2008  10:31 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Plus Bilas is doing no different than what Briggs has done here every since the start of the yr. What does Briggs do?....

"HE'S A LEFT THINKING SOUTH BRAIN, SWITCH IT UP. YOU THINK HE'S PICKIN THIS PROSPECT WHEN HE'S REALLY CHANGING HIS MIND AND PICKING THIS PROSPECT"

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5/30/2008  12:16 PM
Posted by TMS:
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Whats OJ's real name?

Ovinton J'Anthony


"Jay-Ant"

"Oh-Mayo"

"'Vint"

"Jay-Tone"



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6/9/2008  4:17 PM
From Hahn
Bayless and Gordon workouts

Jerryd Bayless and Eric Gordon, two interesting candidates for the sixth overall pick will come in on Tuesday afternoon for workouts at the MSG Training Center.

They are the only two players the Knicks have announced they will work out and, according to the media availability schedule, it appears they will work out separately.

Both players are intriguing for the Knicks. Bayless went to Arizona (aka, "Point Guard U") and grew up in Phoenix watching Steve Nash and the Suns, has the athleticism to fit right into the D'Antoni system as a combo guard. He has worked out with Nash and studied the D'Antoni style, which he expected to play at Arizona until coach Lute Olsen took a leave of absence. Interim coach Kevin O'Neill changed the style to more of a half-court oriented style.

Gordon, who had an outstanding freshman year at Indiana, has terrific range and yet is also amazingly explosive to the rim. Some view him as a two-guard, which is where he played at Indiana, but Donnie Walsh has known Gordon since he was a high school kid in Indianapolis and is very high on him. Walsh said Gordon played the two in college because that's where they needed him, but didn't feel that should impact how he is viewed in the draft. Walsh went as far as comparing Gordon's situation to that of Chauncey Billups, who was viewed as a scoring guard but developed into an elite combo guard that could run an offense just as much as he can score.

We'll be up there for the workouts, so check back here Tuesday night for some scoopage.
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6/9/2008  4:31 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

From Hahn
Bayless and Gordon workouts

Jerryd Bayless and Eric Gordon, two interesting candidates for the sixth overall pick will come in on Tuesday afternoon for workouts at the MSG Training Center.

They are the only two players the Knicks have announced they will work out and, according to the media availability schedule, it appears they will work out separately.

Both players are intriguing for the Knicks. Bayless went to Arizona (aka, "Point Guard U") and grew up in Phoenix watching Steve Nash and the Suns, has the athleticism to fit right into the D'Antoni system as a combo guard. He has worked out with Nash and studied the D'Antoni style, which he expected to play at Arizona until coach Lute Olsen took a leave of absence. Interim coach Kevin O'Neill changed the style to more of a half-court oriented style.

Gordon, who had an outstanding freshman year at Indiana, has terrific range and yet is also amazingly explosive to the rim. Some view him as a two-guard, which is where he played at Indiana, but Donnie Walsh has known Gordon since he was a high school kid in Indianapolis and is very high on him. Walsh said Gordon played the two in college because that's where they needed him, but didn't feel that should impact how he is viewed in the draft. Walsh went as far as comparing Gordon's situation to that of Chauncey Billups, who was viewed as a scoring guard but developed into an elite combo guard that could run an offense just as much as he can score.

We'll be up there for the workouts, so check back here Tuesday night for some scoopage.

WOW, I don't think that would be a good Idea trying to convert him to a PG. If it did workout it would be huge given his measurements and athletic ability and aggressiveness. I just don't see it though.
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6/9/2008  5:11 PM
I got to admit it is looking more and more like EG is our guy. If this guy is anythinglike they are making him out to be he sounds like Dwayne Wade-light. I don't ever remember Ben or Chauncy being explosive at the rim.
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6/9/2008  5:15 PM
Seriously, if Gordon is the pick then Isiah still has as much input as he ever did. Isiah wanted to be the Suns East, so let's hire D'Antonio. Isiah loves his Indiana guys, so let's draft Gordon. What a freaking joke.

What exactly has changed aside from the new front men?
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6/9/2008  5:18 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Seriously, if Gordon is the pick then Isiah still has as much input as he ever did. Isiah wanted to be the Suns East, so let's hire D'Antonio. Isiah loves his Indiana guys, so let's draft Gordon. What a freaking joke.

What exactly has changed aside from the new front men?

Just for the sake of argument is it remotely possible that Donnie actually likes him and knows him from his, what, 20 years in Indy?
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6/9/2008  5:20 PM
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Seriously, if Gordon is the pick then Isiah still has as much input as he ever did. Isiah wanted to be the Suns East, so let's hire D'Antonio. Isiah loves his Indiana guys, so let's draft Gordon. What a freaking joke.

What exactly has changed aside from the new front men?

Just for the sake of argument is it remotely possible that Donnie actually likes him and knows him from his, what, 20 years in Indy?

Donnie does what Dolan and Isiah tell him to do.
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6/9/2008  5:23 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Seriously, if Gordon is the pick then Isiah still has as much input as he ever did. Isiah wanted to be the Suns East, so let's hire D'Antonio. Isiah loves his Indiana guys, so let's draft Gordon. What a freaking joke.

What exactly has changed aside from the new front men?

He's probably seen more of him than any other player. I'd rather him draft a guy where he knows his strength and weaknesses in and out instead of relying on some youtube video clips of players. I mean DW could be like Larry Harris and draft a guy per someone else's scouting from another organization. I'm not big on converting players let them be who they are but if during his workout Gordon shows them a little extra than expected then see what the kid can do for the team if he's actually drafted.
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6/9/2008  5:28 PM
I actually got to go with Blue on this one.
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6/9/2008  5:30 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

Seriously, if Gordon is the pick then Isiah still has as much input as he ever did. Isiah wanted to be the Suns East, so let's hire D'Antonio. Isiah loves his Indiana guys, so let's draft Gordon. What a freaking joke.

What exactly has changed aside from the new front men?

He's probably seen more of him than any other player. I'd rather him draft a guy where he knows his strength and weaknesses in and out instead of relying on some youtube video clips of players. I mean DW could be like Larry Harris and draft a guy per someone else's scouting from another organization. I'm not big on converting players let them be who they are but if during his workout Gordon shows them a little extra than expected then see what the kid can do for the team if he's actually drafted.

If Walsh has to rely on his knowledge of Indiana basketball instead of being confident in his ability to scout all areas, then they're screwed.

Gordon would be one of the worst picks possible. He's basically Crawford without the handle.
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6/9/2008  5:44 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

Seriously, if Gordon is the pick then Isiah still has as much input as he ever did. Isiah wanted to be the Suns East, so let's hire D'Antonio. Isiah loves his Indiana guys, so let's draft Gordon. What a freaking joke.

What exactly has changed aside from the new front men?

He's probably seen more of him than any other player. I'd rather him draft a guy where he knows his strength and weaknesses in and out instead of relying on some youtube video clips of players. I mean DW could be like Larry Harris and draft a guy per someone else's scouting from another organization. I'm not big on converting players let them be who they are but if during his workout Gordon shows them a little extra than expected then see what the kid can do for the team if he's actually drafted.

If Walsh has to rely on his knowledge of Indiana basketball instead of being confident in his ability to scout all areas, then they're screwed.

Gordon would be one of the worst picks possible. He's basically Crawford without the handle.

There's nothing wrong with scouting local talent. I mean forbid all the New York Talent than has come through MSG over it's history. Gordon is different than Crawford. Check his shooting percentages before the injury 48% a and 38%. He finished 43% and 33% with a broke wrist. Crawford in college at Michigan was 41% and 33%. He's stronger than Crawford, a better athelete than Crawford, a better defender than Crawford, and is a flat out better shooter than Crawford.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-09-2008 4:47 PM]
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6/9/2008  5:45 PM
This would be an Isiah/Dolan pick. There have been no moves made to date that suggest that things will be any different with Walsh in place. The big name star that doesn't seem to fit the roster was hired. The media policy has remained the same. Isiah continues to be mentioned in the papers several times a week and continues to get a pay check. Now the Knicks are looking at Gordon with the sixth pick?
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6/9/2008  5:51 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

This would be an Isiah/Dolan pick. There have been no moves made to date that suggest that things will be any different with Walsh in place. The big name star that doesn't seem to fit the roster was hired. The media policy has remained the same. Isiah continues to be mentioned in the papers several times a week and continues to get a pay check. Now the Knicks are looking at Gordon with the sixth pick?

Hey who knows my eyebrows are raised and eyes are open with suspicion. I will say Gordon would prove many naysayers wrong, then again maybe he might be a bust.

As far as Crawford and Gordon go I thing they are different

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Is Walsh Cliff Noting Jim Bilas As To Who He Should Pick..... Bayless or Mayo?

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