Posted by TrueBlue:

...D'Antonio Daniels...

Do we really have to read this in all your posts like we had to read I SAY UGH for so many years? It's not even clever or amusing. Go back to the drawing board.

Trueblue, this is my criticism of your recent posts.

I understand that you don't want a yes man being hired in the front office, taking control of the Knicks, and I also understand you want to rebuild. I also understand you want a coach who's gonna preach playing defense. Believe me, I want that stuff too

However, you have given no evidence saying that we have all this negative crap, besides the fact that we have a coach that brought a once rebuilding team to the Western Conference finals a couple times with a few 60 win seasons, via the fast break, with guys who don't play defense. Donnie Walsh has not made one single player transaction at this point.

He sent Isiah Thomas to Europe, to scout a player he reportedly doesn't like in the first place. Meaning, he fulfilled Dolan's request to keep Isiah, but he's really not keeping him. So basically, Isiah is useless here. What's wrong so far?

Back to D'Antoni: He hired the absolute BEST available coach he could find. It was clear it was between either Mark Jackson or Avery, probably leaning towards Mark. Trueblue, can you name one executive who would pick Mark over Mike D'? Maybe SOME would pick Avery over Mike, and I bet that's a tougher choice, but who's to criticize on that one? And to top it off, D'Antoni hasn't coached one game for us with a rebuilt roster. Who on Earth is to say he wont coach any defense? He didn't have a choice to coach the way he did in Phoenix. His best player (Nash) could hardly play a lick of D against Tony Parker, who kept breaking him down, hence, the rest of the Suns defense. Therefore, D'Antoni has 2 choices. Take Nash out and let the Suns collapse. Or let Nash play and be the leader, yet let Tony Parker kill him. It looked like a no win situation to me, as far as I know.

And back to our players. Walsh hasn't been able to do a thing as of yet. He was aquired after the trade deadline. He hasn't been able to make any trades. He hasn't drafted anyone for us. Who's to say we aren't going to rebuild the roster under him? Are you friends with him? Are you Steve Mills trying to get Donnie Walsh's job? I really don't understand.

I'm hardly going to even get in the Yes Man crap. I don't think you know caca about that, and neither do I, and it's not even appropriate to speculate at this point. I just want to see who we draft and see how we can develop him. I want to see if he can find a way to trade Zach for a shorter contract.

As of now, unlike what you MAY percieve me to be, I don't have an opinion of Waltoni. I want to see how the roster gets rebuilt and I want to see us become a championship contender. It's not happening anytime soon, with or without either of those 2 guys though. So go continue to complain away, but you must realize that most of this crap is Isiah's fault.

Oh and btw, Mark Berman said himself that the media policy is starting to get more leniant, not in those exact words. Who better to get info on that, than a Knicks media man? So Donnie Walsh appears to be changing that, slowly but surely as well.

And the D'Antonio stuff is annoying, as Panos said. It actually makes it real annoying to read.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Oh and btw, Mark Berman said himself that the media policy is starting to get more leniant, not in those exact words. Who better to get info on that, than a Knicks media man? So Donnie Walsh appears to be changing that, slowly but surely as well.

And the D'Antonio stuff is annoying, as Panos said. It actually makes it real annoying to read.

I won't accept what Berman says as Gospel but I believe Walsh will stand by some if at all possible all things he said in his PC. The Media Policy and things of this nature are the least of my concerns as a fan. I'm looking strictly at end results. Hey the old policy could still be enforced as long as we win I don't care what is really. If the environment is changing, which is more beneficial to the media more than anything else, along with the culture, then great it's gravy to me.

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Posted by TrueBlue:

Allanfan20 did we not have reason to be a little hopeful the past couple of seasons only for our hopes getting drowned miserably?

I'm skeptical and you aren't. I have more reason to be so going by history/trends with this franchise than not to be. I'm glad you find yourself to be a little more on the optimistic side and for the sake of the most favorable outcomes that you're right and I'm wrong.

I do like Walsh a lot more than D'Antonio Banderas that's for sure.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-28-2008 1:04 PM]

Bottom line: if its the franchise that you are down on, and not just Isiah and company, FIND A DIFFERENT ONE!
What are you doing here?

As if there aren't plenty New Yorkers who are standing at bay with caution. There's nothing odd or abnormal about being skeptical, none whatsoever.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Allanfan20 did we not have reason to be a little hopeful the past couple of season only for our hopes getting drowned miserably?

I'm skeptical and you aren't. I have more reason to be so going by history/trends with this franchise than not to be. I'm glad you find yourself to be a little more on the optimistic side and for the sake of the most favorable outcomes that you're right and I'm wrong.

I do like Walsh a lot more than D'Antonio Banderas

Where was the hope? I wasn't hopeful, I know that. I know nixluva had a lot of hope, but he turned around quickly after the crap he saw. You had to be a freaking Rose covered glasses wearer and a half to have some sort of hope for this roster, from the past couple of years. I personally lost hope when we fired Brown yet kept Marbury around. I don't know about you though.

And I'm only optimistic about the draft at this point. I'm NOT optimistic about the roster. I don't know what Walsh can do with it and I don't know if he can do anything. I am HOPEFUL that with this change, that maybe we can change the roster within the next 2 or 3 years. But don't go saying I'm some Waltoni lover yet, b/c like I said, they haven't done shyat yet.

I'm very much on the fence right now.

I think there were quite a few who was hoping LB WAS THAT DUDE. I was still cautious even then but thought if the players and I SAY UGH supported him he could turn it around with the current group. Shame on me for even giving them this much consideration. Now we hired a coach who has a laid back attitude towards not playing the other side of the ball. I showed the statistics on how bad his team were in the playoffs.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Oh and btw, Mark Berman said himself that the media policy is starting to get more leniant, not in those exact words. Who better to get info on that, than a Knicks media man? So Donnie Walsh appears to be changing that, slowly but surely as well.

And the D'Antonio stuff is annoying, as Panos said. It actually makes it real annoying to read.

I won't accept what Berman says as Gospel but I believe Walsh will stand by some if at all possible all things he said in his PC. The Media Policy and things of this nature are the least of my concerns as a fan. I'm looking strictly at end results. Hey the old policy could still be enforced as long as we win I don't care what is really. If the environment is changing, which is more beneficial to the media more than anything else, along with the culture, then great it's gravy to me.

The reason I care about the media policy is because I don't want to hear all the bullsheeot anymore. I think it created a lot of paranoya and that was probably just as detrimental to the team as anything, to be honest. So if Donnie has changed the media policy, supposedly Dolan's favorite thing ever, then what's to say he doesn't have the green light to do anything he wants, with the team?

Don't jump to conclusions.

I could fire back like I have been when statements like this are made and question why has D'Antoni basically gone on record and in so many words saying it's Playoffs or Bust next yr? Doesn't this follow the same mantra the past several yrs?


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-28-2008 1:38 PM]

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Allanfan20 did we not have reason to be a little hopeful the past couple of seasons only for our hopes getting drowned miserably?

I'm skeptical and you aren't. I have more reason to be so going by history/trends with this franchise than not to be. I'm glad you find yourself to be a little more on the optimistic side and for the sake of the most favorable outcomes that you're right and I'm wrong.

I do like Walsh a lot more than D'Antonio Banderas that's for sure.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-28-2008 1:04 PM]

Bottom line: if its the franchise that you are down on, and not just Isiah and company, FIND A DIFFERENT ONE!
What are you doing here?

As if there aren't plenty New Yorkers who are standing at bay with caution. There's nothing odd or abnormal about being skeptical, none whatsoever.

the only thing odd or abnormal is pretending to know for sure a prospect is gonna turn out to be crap when you have absolutely nothing to base it on but a few highlight film clips like u & the rest of your bandwagon mates are doing.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-28-2008 1:59 PM]

"safe picks in weak drafts"

pretty much every year is represented, trublu

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by TrueBlue:


I think there were quite a few who was hoping LB WAS THAT DUDE. I was still cautious even then but thought if the players and I SAY UGH supported him he could turn it around with the current group. Shame on me for even giving them this much consideration. Now we hired a coach who has a laid back attitude towards not playing the other side of the ball. I showed the statistics on how bad his team were in the playoffs.

Dude, they MADE THE PLAYOFFS. Something this team hasn't SNIFFED in 4 years.

Good for you if this will satisfy your desire but I'm not interested in Milwaukee Buck success one yr in the playoffs, next yr in the lottery, the following yr in the playoffs next yr in the lottery. I want to have what the Pistons have, the Spurs have, The Lakers had/may have, heck I'd even settle for what New Jersey had a few yrs back. At least if you get to the Finals a couple times you can hang your hat on that to a degree. Ultimate goal is championship(s) not backing into 8th seeds.

Who said anything about Milwaukee Bucks? I thought it was pretty CLEAR that we were talking about the Suns.
It's so convenient that you switch things around to suit your argument.

By the way, is it just me or do the majority of these threads read like they were marinated in a tub of asinine overnight, then posted? I know it's important to be right or something on this board but everyone's OPINION about the draft is exactly that. If going on record is THAT important to you, just say who you think is going to be good or bad and let's move on. [/armchair moderating]