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islesfan
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5/27/2008  9:24 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by islesfan:

That's not true. A few transactions have already been made.

Isiah was retained.

Donnie Walsh, who has never put together run and gun teams, hires a coach who epitomizes the run and gun philosophy but has never come close to winning a championship with it, even with the perfect personnel.

Jim O'Brien is of the Pitino school, not sure how much imput Walsh had in his hiring. Perfect Personnel? Even you dont believe that. A PF who plays zero defense playing center? A SF playing PF. A journey man(Bell) playing the 2? Diaw, James Jones,House etc were all journey men and a big part of 60 win teams. D'Antoni gets credit for getting that team to overachieve. They lost to the eventual champion in the playoffs, not the 8th seed. Championships are hard to come by. Ask the defensive guru, Van Gundy. How many rings does he have?

Again, for D'Antonio's system. His system doesn't have the center playing much defense so what did it matter? That SF playing PF put up all star numbers and was his best defender. And Steve Nash gets credit for getting that team to overachieve. They don't come close to winning as many games as they did without him. Where do the Knicks get their all star PG who brings it all together?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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5/27/2008  9:26 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Regarded for what? It's certainly not for winning championships.
Jerry West was... what do you think of his job with Memphis? Would have preferred him? Do you think Walsh is a bad GM? Who would have been better? Colengelo? Cant be him... he hired Mike D too! Who then? What GM would you want? If you going to snit lets hear your suggestion

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5/27/2008  9:27 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:

That's not true. A few transactions have already been made.

Isiah was retained.

Donnie Walsh, who has never put together run and gun teams, hires a coach who epitomizes the run and gun philosophy but has never come close to winning a championship with it, even with the perfect personnel.

Whoever coaches Phoenix next year better blow out the Lakers and Spurs next year en route to a 16-0 playoff run because they have the perfect personel.

Sorry for the confusion, but I meant the perfect personnel for D'Antonio's system.

Shaq is perfect for the D'Antoni system?
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5/27/2008  9:27 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:

That's not true. A few transactions have already been made.

Isiah was retained.

Donnie Walsh, who has never put together run and gun teams, hires a coach who epitomizes the run and gun philosophy but has never come close to winning a championship with it, even with the perfect personnel.

Whoever coaches Phoenix next year better blow out the Lakers and Spurs next year en route to a 16-0 playoff run because they have the perfect personel.
yea.. lets see who they hire. It still cracks me up that guys on this board look at a Suns team playing in the monster west with 3 guards and SF/PF playing the 4/5 win 60+ games and have good playoff runs and cant give that coach credit for putting a system in place that made them an elite team over the last 4 years.

Was that SF/PF combination a run of the mill tandem or were they super athletic all star forwards?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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5/27/2008  9:28 PM
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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5/27/2008  9:29 PM
I think Walsh did what people expected a Dolan guy to do. He did not fire Isiah Thomas, he reassigned him and for the third time in a week I have read about Isiah scouting in Europe. I think Walsh's willingness to spare Isiah is part of the reason Jerry West's name never came up. He did not hire a coach who coaches a style that wins championships, he hired the biggest name despite the fact that it doesn't seem to be a good fit. This is another typical Dolan type move. He did not hire a coach who in his previous job taught young players. D'Antoni had success but his philosophy of treat the guys as men and they will play the right way will not work here. His short practices are not what this team needs. He said in Phoenix that it was not his job to play young guys. This is a rebuild job in the toughest town to coach in. Nothing from his past indicates that he will be successful here. It has been reported that he wanted out of Phoenix because he was feeling not appreciated. It has been said that he has a soft skin. The sad thing about the Knicks as an organization owned by Dolan is that people like Walsh and D'Antoni know that Dolan will pay them more than anybody else in the league and will support them no matter what they do. I was excited when Walsh was hired but so far everything that he has done has gone along with what has been happening for the past 5 years.
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islesfan
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5/27/2008  9:30 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:

Regarded for what? It's certainly not for winning championships.
Jerry West was... what do you think of his job with Memphis? Would have preferred him? Do you think Walsh is a bad GM? Who would have been better? Colengelo? Cant be him... he hired Mike D too! Who then? What GM would you want? If you going to snit lets hear your suggestion

I don't mind Walsh, when he actually has the authority to do what he wants, but we all know that West was the stronger choice.

And my concern is with the hiring of D'Antonio, not Walsh, at least before it became all too apparent that he's nothing but a puppet as the new front man.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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5/27/2008  9:32 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:

That's not true. A few transactions have already been made.

Isiah was retained.

Donnie Walsh, who has never put together run and gun teams, hires a coach who epitomizes the run and gun philosophy but has never come close to winning a championship with it, even with the perfect personnel.

Whoever coaches Phoenix next year better blow out the Lakers and Spurs next year en route to a 16-0 playoff run because they have the perfect personel.

Sorry for the confusion, but I meant the perfect personnel for D'Antonio's system.

Shaq is perfect for the D'Antoni system?

Nah, I wouldn't really use this season as the example. Just the seasons where they were supposed to be championship contenders but proved to be pretenders.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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5/27/2008  9:34 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:

That's not true. A few transactions have already been made.

Isiah was retained.

Donnie Walsh, who has never put together run and gun teams, hires a coach who epitomizes the run and gun philosophy but has never come close to winning a championship with it, even with the perfect personnel.

Whoever coaches Phoenix next year better blow out the Lakers and Spurs next year en route to a 16-0 playoff run because they have the perfect personel.

Sorry for the confusion, but I meant the perfect personnel for D'Antonio's system.

Shaq is perfect for the D'Antoni system?

Nah, I wouldn't really use this season as the example. Just the seasons where they were supposed to be championship contenders but proved to be pretenders.

Having no one above 6-8 in the starting lineup is perfect for the D'Antoni system?
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5/27/2008  9:36 PM
I agree that Walsh appears to be a front man. The Isiah and D'Antoni moves do not make sense unless a senseless owner is involved.
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5/27/2008  9:39 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:

That's not true. A few transactions have already been made.

Isiah was retained.

Donnie Walsh, who has never put together run and gun teams, hires a coach who epitomizes the run and gun philosophy but has never come close to winning a championship with it, even with the perfect personnel.

Whoever coaches Phoenix next year better blow out the Lakers and Spurs next year en route to a 16-0 playoff run because they have the perfect personel.
yea.. lets see who they hire. It still cracks me up that guys on this board look at a Suns team playing in the monster west with 3 guards and SF/PF playing the 4/5 win 60+ games and have good playoff runs and cant give that coach credit for putting a system in place that made them an elite team over the last 4 years.

Was that SF/PF combination a run of the mill tandem or were they super athletic all star forwards?
did Marion play on a winning team before DAntoni? Maybe that one year w/ Marbury and co lost to the Spurs in the first round? other from that Marion was a "stat" guy as you would call him. When Mike D got there they started winning. Did Nash win MVPs with Dallas? Funny how his gimmicky system produced career years from the players that play in it.. oh, and wins too. Not to mention guys like Grant Hill willing to play for him for nothing. Seems people hold him in high regard (except you)

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5/27/2008  9:41 PM
This my all D'Antoni lineup:

Rasheed Wallace
KG
Kobe Bryant
Manu Ginobili
Chris Paul
Sh-t in the popcorn to go with sh-t on the court. Its a theme show like Medieval times.
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5/27/2008  9:43 PM
Waaaaaaah.... waaaaah! You've gotta be kidding me with posts like this.

How can you possibly be a fan of the worst team of the last decade, watch them sign a veteran in Walsh to run the operation who everyone in the league respects, and then follow that up with the hiring of a veteran coach who left one of the winningest teams in the league to come to your sad sack franchise and then cry about it.

Who, please tell me was the alternative?

Coaches who have won Championships in the last 20 years
Riley - Jackson - Brown - Rudy-T - Pop - Daly

Which one of these guys was available?

None of them huh? Interesting...


So now your argument is that some announcer/former player with no experience would be a better coach to turn around this sorry sorry team that has made a mockery of the Knicks brand.

Unbelieveable that anyone would argue that we have soemhow messed this up by hiring these two class acts that have done this city a major favor by signing on to rescue this once proud franchise.

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5/27/2008  9:45 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I think Walsh did what people expected a Dolan guy to do. He did not fire Isiah Thomas, he reassigned him and for the third time in a week I have read about Isiah scouting in Europe. I think Walsh's willingness to spare Isiah is part of the reason Jerry West's name never came up. He did not hire a coach who coaches a style that wins championships, he hired the biggest name despite the fact that it doesn't seem to be a good fit. This is another typical Dolan type move. He did not hire a coach who in his previous job taught young players. D'Antoni had success but his philosophy of treat the guys as men and they will play the right way will not work here. His short practices are not what this team needs. He said in Phoenix that it was not his job to play young guys. This is a rebuild job in the toughest town to coach in. Nothing from his past indicates that he will be successful here. It has been reported that he wanted out of Phoenix because he was feeling not appreciated. It has been said that he has a soft skin. The sad thing about the Knicks as an organization owned by Dolan is that people like Walsh and D'Antoni know that Dolan will pay them more than anybody else in the league and will support them no matter what they do. I was excited when Walsh was hired but so far everything that he has done has gone along with what has been happening for the past 5 years.
was there an available coach who won championships? I missed it.. was Phil or Greg interviewed?

The "championship" arguement is pointless, because as I have mentioned once or twice you dont win titles without having the the superstar/best player in the NBA type. In the last 17 years, only Larry won without that player. Every other title was won by the a team with the mega star. Kobe/MJ/Shaq/Hakeem/Tim... there is 16 of the last 17 titles. Was it the coaching or was it those guys who won the trophy?

Lets just get better first. Then cry about titles and blame DW

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5/27/2008  9:45 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:

That's not true. A few transactions have already been made.

Isiah was retained.

Donnie Walsh, who has never put together run and gun teams, hires a coach who epitomizes the run and gun philosophy but has never come close to winning a championship with it, even with the perfect personnel.

Whoever coaches Phoenix next year better blow out the Lakers and Spurs next year en route to a 16-0 playoff run because they have the perfect personel.

Sorry for the confusion, but I meant the perfect personnel for D'Antonio's system.

Shaq is perfect for the D'Antoni system?

Nah, I wouldn't really use this season as the example. Just the seasons where they were supposed to be championship contenders but proved to be pretenders.

Having no one above 6-8 in the starting lineup is perfect for the D'Antoni system?

How tall is Amare?

Or maybe you're talking about the 2006 playoffs where the Suns couldn't get past the immortal DeSagana Diop and his Dallas Mavericks.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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5/27/2008  9:48 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:

That's not true. A few transactions have already been made.

Isiah was retained.

Donnie Walsh, who has never put together run and gun teams, hires a coach who epitomizes the run and gun philosophy but has never come close to winning a championship with it, even with the perfect personnel.

Whoever coaches Phoenix next year better blow out the Lakers and Spurs next year en route to a 16-0 playoff run because they have the perfect personel.
yea.. lets see who they hire. It still cracks me up that guys on this board look at a Suns team playing in the monster west with 3 guards and SF/PF playing the 4/5 win 60+ games and have good playoff runs and cant give that coach credit for putting a system in place that made them an elite team over the last 4 years.

Was that SF/PF combination a run of the mill tandem or were they super athletic all star forwards?
did Marion play on a winning team before DAntoni? Maybe that one year w/ Marbury and co lost to the Spurs in the first round? other from that Marion was a "stat" guy as you would call him. When Mike D got there they started winning. Did Nash win MVPs with Dallas? Funny how his gimmicky system produced career years from the players that play in it.. oh, and wins too. Not to mention guys like Grant Hill willing to play for him for nothing. Seems people hold him in high regard (except you)

Did Mike D'Antonio ever win anything before he had Steve Nash as his PG?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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5/27/2008  9:54 PM
[/quote]

Did Mike D'Antonio ever win anything before he had Steve Nash as his PG?
[/quote]

Yep, he made the playoffs with Marbury who looks like a terrible player without him as a coach.

Good try though.

He is also a legendary coach in Europe.
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5/27/2008  9:56 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:

That's not true. A few transactions have already been made.

Isiah was retained.

Donnie Walsh, who has never put together run and gun teams, hires a coach who epitomizes the run and gun philosophy but has never come close to winning a championship with it, even with the perfect personnel.

Whoever coaches Phoenix next year better blow out the Lakers and Spurs next year en route to a 16-0 playoff run because they have the perfect personel.
yea.. lets see who they hire. It still cracks me up that guys on this board look at a Suns team playing in the monster west with 3 guards and SF/PF playing the 4/5 win 60+ games and have good playoff runs and cant give that coach credit for putting a system in place that made them an elite team over the last 4 years.

Was that SF/PF combination a run of the mill tandem or were they super athletic all star forwards?
did Marion play on a winning team before DAntoni? Maybe that one year w/ Marbury and co lost to the Spurs in the first round? other from that Marion was a "stat" guy as you would call him. When Mike D got there they started winning. Did Nash win MVPs with Dallas? Funny how his gimmicky system produced career years from the players that play in it.. oh, and wins too. Not to mention guys like Grant Hill willing to play for him for nothing. Seems people hold him in high regard (except you)

Did Mike D'Antonio ever win anything before he had Steve Nash as his PG?


Did Phil Jackson win anything without Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, Pippen?

Did Pat Riley win anything without Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Wade, Shaq?

I know deep down you want the Knicks to fail so you could say I told you so to everyone on the board. You claim to fame is your negativity and that is your right. Good luck with hating everything the Knicks do that isn't what you want them to do.
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5/27/2008  10:02 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by islesfan:

That's not true. A few transactions have already been made.

Isiah was retained.

Donnie Walsh, who has never put together run and gun teams, hires a coach who epitomizes the run and gun philosophy but has never come close to winning a championship with it, even with the perfect personnel.

Whoever coaches Phoenix next year better blow out the Lakers and Spurs next year en route to a 16-0 playoff run because they have the perfect personel.

Sorry for the confusion, but I meant the perfect personnel for D'Antonio's system.

Shaq is perfect for the D'Antoni system?

Nah, I wouldn't really use this season as the example. Just the seasons where they were supposed to be championship contenders but proved to be pretenders.

Having no one above 6-8 in the starting lineup is perfect for the D'Antoni system?

How tall is Amare?

Or maybe you're talking about the 2006 playoffs where the Suns couldn't get past the immortal DeSagana Diop and his Dallas Mavericks.

Didn't the immortal Diop get past the legendary Spurs that year? Those bastards with their perfect players.
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5/27/2008  10:05 PM
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Did Mike D'Antonio ever win anything before he had Steve Nash as his PG?
[/quote]

Yep, he made the playoffs with Marbury who looks like a terrible player without him as a coach.

Good try though.

He is also a legendary coach in Europe.
[/quote]

You sure you want to stick with that story? I'll give you a chance to recant.

It was a good try though.
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