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Will Eric Gordon be the sleeper of this draft?
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purple012870
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5/27/2008  4:51 PM
Mitch Richmond had tremendous range on his NBA 3's. EG shot .33 on college 3s. End of story.
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5/27/2008  4:53 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
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Posted by purple012870:

Sorry...he's not near the athlete Bayless & Westbrook are. Neither of which, by the way, ran off screens. Both created their own offense. Eric Gordon is a poor man's Ben Gordon (bigger yes...but less ability in every other respect).

Since Eric and Ben have the same last name, does that warrant a comparison? Ben Gordon is 6'1 200lbs. Eric Gordon is much better prospect than Ben Gordon. He's stronger, bigger, gets to the line more, is a better defender, and has longer arms. The better comparison is Mitch Richmond.

Who cares if he's a better athlete than Bayless and Westbrook? Harold Miner is a better athlete than all of them and where is he now? Stop getting caught up in all the numbers, and realize that is a straight up baller. There are a number of guys who was supposed to be too short, or too skinny, or too fat, or too slow etc. but still these players flourished because they could ball. Gordon can ball and will be a very good player in this league.

Earl Boykins, Daniel Gibson, Luther Head, Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Chris Quinn, Sergio Rodriguez, Brevin Knight although point guards these guys are slight of built and have proven they can play in this league. I'd like to think Gordon has just as much if not more skills than most of these guys to prove himself even more so in the league.


And here are some so-called undersized 2g's: Jeff Malone, Jeff Hornacek, Andrew Toney (mentioned him earlier), Hersey Hawkins, John Paxson, Mitch Richmond (mentioned), David Thompson (throw back), Fat Lever (at 6'2 this guy nearly averaged a triple-double several times), Vinnie Johnson, Adrian Dantley (6'5 Sf who was one of the greatest scorers of all time), Danny Ainge, Byron Scott, Otis Birdsong, Dwayne Wade, Jason Terry, etc......I can go on.
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5/27/2008  4:56 PM
So, because there have been undersized 2's, we should try to draft one? Given that Charles Barkley had so much success, should we also pursue a fat 6'5" PF?
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5/27/2008  4:57 PM
Not only is he undersized, but he struggles to finish at the rim, has a limited mid game & shoots for a poor % from the college 3.

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5/27/2008  4:57 PM
Posted by purple012870:

So, because there have been undersized 2's, we should try to draft one? Given that Charles Barkley had so much success, should we also pursue a fat 6'5" PF?

If he is going to be a future hall of famer, why not?
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5/27/2008  4:58 PM
Purple Westbrook averaged 12 points a game and barely played as a freshman. If he is a point averaging 4.0 assists a game is that considered a big time player. Can you explain how a jump shooter coming off screen shot more free throws than Bayless and Westbrook?
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5/27/2008  4:58 PM
Posted by purple012870:

So, because there have been undersized 2's, we should try to draft one? Given that Charles Barkley had so much success, should we also pursue a fat 6'5" PF?

Other than Barkley, name the other successful 6'5 PF's? I've given you a bunch of guys who are so-called undersized for 2g's and have had very good career's. I'm getting the feeling that you haven't watched Gordon play much. If you have, you would realize that his second half shooting slump coincides with his wrist injury and not to mention the turmoil at Indy.
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5/27/2008  5:05 PM
So EG shot 33 percent as a freshman at Indiana and was hurt. I guess if he would have shot 36% averaged 2 less points a game like Richmond did his junior year at KSU then he would be legitimate.
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5/27/2008  5:06 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Mitch Richmond had tremendous range on his NBA 3's. EG shot .33 on college 3s. End of story.

What was he shooting before the injury and what did Mitch Richmond shoot as a Freshman in College from 3?

MR=44%FG and 36%3pt
EG=43%FG and 33%3pt

He's not far off considering EG was shooting 35.8%3pt before the wrist injury from 3pt range and a better percentage from the floor.
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5/27/2008  5:06 PM
Why did he get to the line more than W'brook? Because he played on a crap team & was the # 1 option (with all due respect to White). He also played in a crap conference. He played against a handful of decent teams: UConn, Wisky, MSU, Ark, Purdue. Against those teams, he was 36-104....34%.
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5/27/2008  5:06 PM
BTW, when you guys call Gordon undersized you make it sound like the kid is 6'1 195 trying to play the 2. Gordon is 6'4 215. The strength is there. He might be an inch and a half to two inches shorter than the Kobe's of the world.
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5/27/2008  5:08 PM
Richmond didnt play as a freshman at Kstate he was a JUCO transfer that is his junior stats.
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5/27/2008  5:10 PM
Posted by King1:

Richmond didnt play as a freshman at Kstate he was a JUCO transfer that is his junior stats.

Correct but it still applies it was his first yr as a collegiate player D-1. The point I'm making is Gordon was on par with Mitch as a Freshman until injury and turmoil hit.
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5/27/2008  5:10 PM
If you're making the Richmond comparison, I assume you're talking about the pro, not the college version of Richmond. I vaguely remember Richmond as a collegian. But I do remember an excellent pro. EG is not that. He is an erratic gunner with a bad handle. A guy who did well early in the season vs. the Coppin State's of the world. Versus quality comp...he sucked.
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5/27/2008  5:12 PM
Posted by purple012870:

If you're making the Richmond comparison, I assume you're talking about the pro, not the college version of Richmond. I vaguely remember Richmond as a collegian. But I do remember an excellent pro. EG is not that. He is an erratic gunner with a bad handle. A guy who did well early in the season vs. the Coppin State's of the world. Versus quality comp...he sucked.

So you like comparing College Freshmen to Pros. Once again player comparison is just a gauge not a rule. Personally I don't need the comparison to discern if Gordon is a player or not.
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5/27/2008  5:14 PM
You said he was like Richmond with more range. I'm saying that's a false statement.
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5/27/2008  5:15 PM
Offensively, Gordon reminds me a little of Jamal Crawford with potentially a much better jumpshot (not a bad player by any stretch). The issue with Gordon is he needs a lot of space to operate off the dribble - he looks good on the break when he has a head of steam, but he won't have that luxury in the NBA. In other words, he's fast in the open court but not very quick against a set defense. His ball-handling is also quite suspect. So, in a half-court set, he'll likely throw you a couple of jukes and shoot a long J. At his size, that means a low percentage shot.
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5/27/2008  5:17 PM
Posted by purple012870:

You said he was like Richmond with more range. I'm saying that's a false statement.

I never gave the comparison King did. All I did was compare statistics and agreed with King's commentary on Gordon's strengths.
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5/27/2008  5:18 PM
Yeah....but one thing Craw has is a GREAT handle. As you say, EG doesn't have that. Now compare him to Mayo or Bayless or Westbrook & the ball handling deficiency is even more noteworthy.
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5/27/2008  5:21 PM
I am not saying EG is better than Mitch. You cant use college stats too often. If so then EG is better than Richmond. EG is a high character kid, that knows how to play this game. He is a big time shooter and I can honestly say I have seen him more than anyone on this board. If he get with a team where he has a decent point and gets open looks he will make people pay. I can guarantee he will shoot better than Mayo and Westbrook in the NBA.
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