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Brook Lopez - bust?
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purple012870
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5/27/2008  4:37 PM
Brook Lopez is good at being 7'2".
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5/27/2008  5:02 PM
Posted by Ira:
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this is not to say he's a sure thing or even that i think he'll be great...but the things that i dont like about him are correctible i think. he is a little deliberate on offense, ie he plans his moves before he makes them, takes some bad shots out of double teams (partly because stanford was offensively limited), his release is pretty low and he sometimes brings the ball down before shooting etc. but defensively he is solid, and he definitely plays hard and plays with passion.

nyballer--Im a little surprised at the amount of people who think he will be a bust and it seems like 50% of the fans think Gallinari will be some kind of stud player[more like boston nachbar]. He does have the best *frame* for a big man in this draft--he has scored 30 points or more as a sophmore 3-4 times. The questions on him--would he fit the new up tempo style that ny will? put in? This is what I mean in terms of the NYK board--if they rated Lopez 4-5 before dantoni got here--is he still 4-5 will that still dictate BPA? Also he takes way to many shots and isnt that great of a rebounder[although he averaged 8]

I agree, I think just because gallinari is italian, people think he will fit in d'antoni's system - he could be solid, maybe play the role of grant hill last year on the suns, but that isn't worth the #6 pick. with brook, he's got great offensive talent, and will find a way to put up at least 15 pts per game. as far as rebounding, he rebounded much better when brook wasn't in the game...usually they put brook down low to guard the best interior player, since he is the better defender, so brook wasn't around the basket as much as he probably will be in the pros as a center

That is what I was thinking regarding his low rebounding numbers. It has to be hard being a top rebounder when you are playing with another 7 footer. It seems like his role was to score and his brother's role was to rebound and play defense. It always worries me when a college center cannot average 9 rebounds, but maybe Brook is the exception. If he can rebound and defend, I would be more inclined to draft him and trade Curry.

That doesn't hold up. Robin Lopez got 5.7 boards in 24.5 mpg. Face it, Brook Lopez wasn't a good rebounder in college and will be a weak rebounder against nba competition. He's a weak rebounder, mediocre defensive player and a mediocre offensive player. I want to know what is Brook Lopez good at?

have you actually watched him play? he's much better than a mediocre offensive player - he's a top 3 offensive big man in the draft, a better defender than guys like love and beasley. it sounds like you are reading a few stats and making huge jumps from there. brook lopez put up 19 and 8...8 rebounds is pretty good for college bball, especially for a center who was guarding PFs on the perimeter with robin down low. sheed put up 16 and 8 his last season at UNC (he was a sophomore like brook). bosh averaged i think around 9 rebounds...if brook played center without robin around he wouldve averaged around 10 rebounds a game and we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Offensively he was pretty much the only option on his team, so he had to take more shots than he wouldve had he had a better supporting cast. I don't know why you think he isn't a good defender - he averaged 2 blocks a game and always played pretty good D - i watched every game. when UCLA played stanford he did a good job while robin was out guarding kevin love and was quick enough to guard some of the smaller and quicker 4's in the pac-10
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5/27/2008  5:06 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Brook Lopez is good at being 7'2".



That reminds me of something that happened a long time ago. There was a player on St. John's in the mid '80s (the Walter Berry years) from Italy. I think his name was Marco Baldi. As I remember it, he was about 7' and ripped. Every now and then, coach Carnesecca would put him in for a few minutes. When he got out on the court, he'd flex and smile at the crowd. But he was as slow as molasses. He couldn't do anything out there, so they'd never leave him in for more than a few minutes unless the game was already decided.

Lopez is, of course, much better than that. But your remark about him being good at being 7'+ made me think of this guy at St. John's. I hope I got his name right.
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5/27/2008  5:21 PM
You got it....I remember Baldi too !! LOL
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5/27/2008  5:24 PM
nyballer, let's compare Lopez and Love. Lopez is the better defensive player - let's say he's pretty good. Do you agree that Love is better at everything else? Love has better inside moves and a much better outside shot (especially from far out). Love's a better passer and rebounder. He pulled down 10.6 boards to Lopez's 8.2 while playing a minute less.

I can see how you can consider Lopez a good defensive player at the college level. Do you think he'll be a good defender in the nba? Not likely. His feet are too slow. Love won't be as good defensively as Lopez, but he will be a good rebounder, scorer from inside and out, and a very good passing big.

Now Love projects to a 4 in the nba, while Lopez will be a center. That's something to consider. But Love will be a much better player. I hope the Knicks scouts don't have Lopez in their top 5. He's a first round player, maybe even a late lottery player, but not much more.
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5/27/2008  6:48 PM
Love can score inside in college, but at the pro level, im not so sure. when he went up against legit 7 footers at stanford he didn't do too great - 15 and 7, 17 and 10, 12 and 6. not terrible numbers, but not great. I don't think he has the size (height/wing-span) or athleticism to be able to make the plays he made in college. brook is a better shooter out to about 15 feet, love is no doubt better beyond there.

I think you are making lopez out to be way more unathletic than he is. i'd say he is about as athletic as duncan, maybe even sheed. his feet are much much faster than love's - if lopez can't guard centers in the NBA because of speed, how is love going to guard PF's? 90% of starting PF's in the NBA will smoke love on D, I think brook will fare much better against centers defensively.

So overall - love is a better passer definitely, better rebounder in college (not saying it won't translate to the NBA because he is very wide, but keep in mind he doesnt have a great vert, and isn't very quick. love has good inside moves but i think lopez's height and athletic edge over love will make lopez more effective in the NBA. Love to me will be similar to shelden williams, a better scorer and worse defender. If chris kaman can put up 16 and 12 this year, lopez can too in the next few years.
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5/27/2008  8:43 PM
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So is this when we decide to listen to Mitch Lawrence but if he says D'Antonio Davis/D'Antonio Daniels is a suspect hire then we tune him out?

I just want to know the rules for future referencing


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5/27/2008  8:50 PM
Posted by Solace:
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So is this when we decide to listen to Mitch Lawrence but if he says D'Antonio Davis/D'Antonio Daniels is a suspect hire then we tune him out?

I just want to know the rules for future referencing


THANKS!

I believe you can actually agree or disagree with the same person if they have opinions on two different things, but maybe I am just too old school.

Silence! Free thought is not permitted! You must always either agree or disagree. Never mix!

correction, it's only permitted when that thought is in agreeance w/TB's thoughts... otherwise you're not allowed to voice an opinion on any player, prospect, head coach or GM hire.
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5/27/2008  9:07 PM
Love and the lopez twins will be nba fodder by the end of their rookie contracts. Didn't experts say the league is moving away from the slow footed big man ?
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5/27/2008  9:18 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by TrueBlue:

So is this when we decide to listen to Mitch Lawrence but if he says D'Antonio Davis/D'Antonio Daniels is a suspect hire then we tune him out?

I just want to know the rules for future referencing


THANKS!

I believe you can actually agree or disagree with the same person if they have opinions on two different things, but maybe I am just too old school.

Silence! Free thought is not permitted! You must always either agree or disagree. Never mix!

correction, it's only permitted when that thought is in agreeance w/TB's thoughts... otherwise you're not allowed to voice an opinion on any player, prospect, head coach or GM hire.

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5/29/2008  8:03 AM
Posted by purple012870:

Brook Lopez is good at being 7'2".

I bet that if Brook Lopez falls to 6 there is a very high possibility the Knicks take him. I don't think he will get there but it is possible--someone is coming down. Just my guess work but I would have to think the Knicks view Lopez as a top 5 pick and if they go by their board they will take him. When you start talking about pick 6--they want as close to a sure thing as possible---Not saying he is a franchise player[but he could be] but at 6 they dont want extra guess work and if I look at Walsh history of drafting he will take the big man. He's not my choice but people are being a little crazy saying he is good at being 7-2. He's a guy who dominated big time games in a big time league and came in late into the season as a sophomore. You don't put up multiple 30 point games as a 7 footer if you sck. Ive seen PLENTY of big men in college 6-10--7-3 who stink. Brook Lopez is a good player--he is definitely not on my list of guys who I would consider a disappointment if we picked him. Everyone who is 6-10 is viewed as Channing Frye --this is not Channing Frye--this guy has a very solid frame with good skills.
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5/29/2008  9:59 AM
Point taken. I've seen him a grand total of one time, so I'll defer to you & back off my "throw the remote" if we take him stance.
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