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fishmike
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5/26/2008  10:28 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
The one thing that does seperate Westbrook from other players is a tenacity and mental toughness it takes to be good.
which is what separates guys that become bigtime NBA players from guys that have "upside."

I am open to anyone that we pick because I think Walsh knows how to build a team so I am more than willing to be patient with no matter who he picks.

Randolph strikes me a little to meek for this league. A guy thats going to spend his career shooting 3's and long jumpers because he doesnt like getting tossed around in the paint. On the other hand maybe he is the next Odom.. who knows. I think what separates the talent is the drive to succeed and win and compete. Also thats a trait I dont see in very many Knick players on this roster.

So my vote is for Westbrook. If we pick Randolph thats fine too.

Keep in mind these great combo guards like Mayo (who I think will go #2) and Bayless were locked down by Westbrook. I dont care that he's 6'3. He's long, big hands, strong shoulders, NBA body. Doesnt hurt that he's probably the best guard in this draft in transition.


[Edited by - fishmike on 26-05-2008 10:30 AM]
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5/26/2008  10:57 AM
--->Randolph strikes me a little to meek for this league. A guy thats going to spend his career shooting 3's and long jumpers because he doesnt like getting tossed around in the paint


This is not true at all. He barely shot a three point shot all season. He averaged close to a double double as a freshmen and mixed it up in the paint very well. Did he get pushed around? Yes but Kevin Garnett would have been pushed around his freshmen year if he played at UCLA. Randolph projects very very well for the NBA game. What he doesnt have in girth he has in length athletic ability and skill sets. And at 18 years old he's going to get much stronger. I think most people just have not seen him. I think you may be talking about Donte Grteen A guy who settles to sit out on the perimeter at the same size. Randolph is the complete opposite he is either posting up dribb;e drive penetration or 12 foot jumpers--he does not sit outside and take 3s at all.
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5/26/2008  11:33 AM
Westbrook needs to learn how to play the point if he's going to suceed in this league. Someone mentioned that Westbrook seems to have the drive and mental toughness to improve his game. This is very true when you consider that when Westbrook was in High School he was considered a mid-major recruit. He imropved his game to the point that he was recruited to UCLA. He was a bench player last year and continued to improve to the point that he was a valuable starter this year.

When looking at prospects to draft, especially when they are all pretty close in talent, the one thing that seperates one from the other is the constant improvement of that player year to year in college/highschool. You like to draft players that have gotten better each year of college. Westbrook fits that mold as does Randolph.

Westbrook has some similarities to Rondo minus the pg experience. Its a tough choice, for sure, but I think both have the potential to be really good prospects. Both will take time, Randolph building up strength and weight, and Westbrook learning how to play the point.

[Edited by - uptown on 05-26-2008 12:38 PM]
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5/26/2008  12:03 PM
Randolph quickly emerged into a top college prospect. At 6-10, he was a force in the middle as well as a defender's nightmare on the perimeter. Washington said he feels comfortable with Randolph either at center or running plays as a point guard.

Not bad for a kid who started playing organized basketball in junior high.

"His first love was football," Crystal Randolph said. "He played quarterback and wide receiver when he was younger. He switched to basketball right around the seventh grade


Age: 17

Ht./Wt.: 6-10, 210

Notable: Randolph averages 27.7 points and 13.1 rebounds per game. He leads all 4A area players in scoring and is second among 4A area players in rebounding. ... Randolph recorded his first triple-double on Jan. 20 against District 13-4A opponent Samuell. Randolph had 17 points, 14 rebounds and 13 blocks in a 64-56 double-overtime victory.


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5/26/2008  12:54 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

--->Randolph strikes me a little to meek for this league. A guy thats going to spend his career shooting 3's and long jumpers because he doesnt like getting tossed around in the paint


This is not true at all. He barely shot a three point shot all season. He averaged close to a double double as a freshmen and mixed it up in the paint very well. Did he get pushed around? Yes but Kevin Garnett would have been pushed around his freshmen year if he played at UCLA. Randolph projects very very well for the NBA game. What he doesnt have in girth he has in length athletic ability and skill sets. And at 18 years old he's going to get much stronger. I think most people just have not seen him. I think you may be talking about Donte Grteen A guy who settles to sit out on the perimeter at the same size. Randolph is the complete opposite he is either posting up dribb;e drive penetration or 12 foot jumpers--he does not sit outside and take 3s at all.
neither did Frye. Frye had a nice jumper but in CBB he played under the basket and was a pretty tough player. Then he got to the NBA.

I am not predicting Randolph being another Frye, but its a very hard to tell if a guy has the mental makeup to make it here. I think we all agree Westbrook does. He's going to relish defending guys like Wade, Gordon, Redd, etc just as much as he will relish scoring on them. Thats a guy I want on my team.

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5/26/2008  1:00 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by BRIGGS:

--->Randolph strikes me a little to meek for this league. A guy thats going to spend his career shooting 3's and long jumpers because he doesnt like getting tossed around in the paint


This is not true at all. He barely shot a three point shot all season. He averaged close to a double double as a freshmen and mixed it up in the paint very well. Did he get pushed around? Yes but Kevin Garnett would have been pushed around his freshmen year if he played at UCLA. Randolph projects very very well for the NBA game. What he doesnt have in girth he has in length athletic ability and skill sets. And at 18 years old he's going to get much stronger. I think most people just have not seen him. I think you may be talking about Donte Grteen A guy who settles to sit out on the perimeter at the same size. Randolph is the complete opposite he is either posting up dribb;e drive penetration or 12 foot jumpers--he does not sit outside and take 3s at all.
neither did Frye. Frye had a nice jumper but in CBB he played under the basket and was a pretty tough player. Then he got to the NBA.

I am not predicting Randolph being another Frye, but its a very hard to tell if a guy has the mental makeup to make it here. I think we all agree Westbrook does. He's going to relish defending guys like Wade, Gordon, Redd, etc just as much as he will relish scoring on them. Thats a guy I want on my team.

I like Westbrook a lot. But Randolph is in a different league than Frye. He's more a Camby or a Bosh type player. Bosh is really the best comparison - his athleticism is off the charts, he's got skills.

That said, I'd be pretty happy with either Westbrook or Randolph.
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5/26/2008  1:35 PM
Posted by fishmike:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

--->Randolph strikes me a little to meek for this league. A guy thats going to spend his career shooting 3's and long jumpers because he doesnt like getting tossed around in the paint


This is not true at all. He barely shot a three point shot all season. He averaged close to a double double as a freshmen and mixed it up in the paint very well. Did he get pushed around? Yes but Kevin Garnett would have been pushed around his freshmen year if he played at UCLA. Randolph projects very very well for the NBA game. What he doesnt have in girth he has in length athletic ability and skill sets. And at 18 years old he's going to get much stronger. I think most people just have not seen him. I think you may be talking about Donte Grteen A guy who settles to sit out on the perimeter at the same size. Randolph is the complete opposite he is either posting up dribb;e drive penetration or 12 foot jumpers--he does not sit outside and take 3s at all.
neither did Frye. Frye had a nice jumper but in CBB he played under the basket and was a pretty tough player. Then he got to the NBA.

I am not predicting Randolph being another Frye, but its a very hard to tell if a guy has the mental makeup to make it here. I think we all agree Westbrook does. He's going to relish defending guys like Wade, Gordon, Redd, etc just as much as he will relish scoring on them. Thats a guy I want on my team.


I cant disagree with you. If my job was on the line I would go with Westbrook. Although I prefer the bigger players[because the history of the NBA dictates it] that I mentioned--it would be hard pressed for me after reviewing Westbrook so many times[and believ me I was down on him at first]--I taped Memphis UCLA and he was just so impressive even in the shots he missed as he seemed to just gravitate to the hole at will against a VERY VERY good defensive team[better defensive team than anything you would see in foreign countries] He brings speed excitement toughness that the NY Knicks haven't seen in a LONG time. Even though he is 6-3 he really plays 6-6 and would be just a terror in an open system on both sides of the ball. If his jump-shot improves--you really could have a very very special player and just with his tenacity and world class athletic ability--the odds of a buts are almost negligent as there must be a way to make great use of his physical prowess

i.e the compariosn Frye and Randolph--two diffent type players. Randolph has the ability to intiate the fast break and bring the ball up at his size--he also has great promise in this kind of system where diversified skills in a big man count big time. His size doesnt scare me--if he can pull down 19 rebounds in a game as a freshmen in the SEC hes going to be darn good.

Im open to a few players--the guys I want to stay away from start with Gallinari and I dont like the fact that he might have some bias with the kid because of a relationship. If I really felt I saw asuperstar in Gallinari I would personally say it--I see Boston Nachbar skilled can do somethings can look like a superstar in a few plays but now eher near that level as a player full time. I really see much more of a bench player.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-26-2008 1:41 PM]
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5/26/2008  4:08 PM
Another prospect people don't really talk about is Marreese Speights. He reportedly looked really good in some stretches and had some good workouts. the thing that mostly keeps me personally from wanting to draft him it the simple fact that I just haven't seen him play much.

Anyway I'd be satisfied with Randolph cause he obviously has potential. Although I'd probably go with Joe Alexander above him, because I at least know Alexander has a great work ethic.

EDIT: On second thought I don't like speights. Also I don't really like Randolph either.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 05-26-2008 4:34 PM]
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5/26/2008  5:18 PM
Here is what nbadraft.net says about him:

NBA Comparison: Lamar Odom/Tayshaun Prince
Strengths: Long, lanky forward with a great deal of upside ... His length and agility makes him very unique playing on the wing ... Highly versatile. He has a vast array of offensive abilities, especially impressive considering his age: Randolph has a tremendous handle and gets to the basket extremely well off the bounce ... A smooth athlete with great foot speed ... Runs the floor like a deer and has amazing fluidity ... Really makes a difficult match up as he's able to use his great length on both ends of the floor ... His offensive skill set is developing quickly ... Scores very well around the basket with a wide array of hooks and finger rolls. Being left handed enhances his effectiveness ... Has really developed as the season has gone on, and is beginning to dominate on a regular basis ... Causes mayhem crashing the glass, often following teammates shots with highlight one handed finishes ... Also shows solid vision and playmaking ability for teammates ... Has a lot of defensive potential. Blocks a ton of shots (2.3 pg) for a wing player due to his length, timing and explosiveness ... Shows good promise as a free throw shooter (70%), hard work and repetition should help him increase it ...

Weaknesses: A high risk, high reward type pick at this stage of his career. He's got a chance to be special, but in turn a higher than average chance of being a bust as well ... Still very skinny, and may always be on the skinny side ala Tayshaun Prince ... His arms in particular need bulking up ... His NBA readiness isn't quite at the level of some other draft hopefuls ... Must get stronger and tougher both physically and mentally ... Must gain confidence and not get discouraged when things aren't going well ... Still prone to cold nights shooting the ball ... He's a very shy, quiet kid, and the year in Baton Rouge has been great for him but he could really use a second year to continue his maturity and off court development before taking on the bright lights and distractions that exist at the next level. Unfortunately that appears unlikely, as Randolph is said to be leaning towards entering the draft one-and-done ... Maturity question marks will need to be answered in the evaluation process leading up to the draft. ... Shows a solid shooting stroke, but really need to develop more range. The three ball isn't currently in his repertoire (11% on the year with just two makes) ... Will need to tighten his handle and become less turnover prone ...
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5/26/2008  6:05 PM
I'd be a little bit worried but mostly content because I'd have to believe that Mike D and Donnie W both like the kids potential.

I have seen enough of him but based on brief clips I definitely think he's got lots of upside and compares athletically to Lamar Odom and C. Bosh.

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5/26/2008  6:14 PM
About this Gallanari kid.

If the Knicks are looking at Gallanari and K. Love is still on the board I think you have to take Love.

I mean Gallanari looks slow as hell to me - if you want that type of player take the known commodity in Love. He will play smart - something we severely lack. He will rebound and ignite the fast break and he can shoot from the perimeter and score on the blocks.

He's not a great fit with Curry but is Gallanari?

My thought process on the top 5 picks is that Love will be taken by Memphis as a perfect fit for that team. Under that scenario I also think Lopez goes top 5 and either Bayless or Mayo fall to us.

But if Love is still there and we are looking for a PF -- we might pass on the one legit PF in the draft for some guys that have raw upside or Euro intrigue but we might just miss out on a stud in Love.

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5/26/2008  7:07 PM
you're worried about Gallinari's speed & his fit in Mike D's system but you want a guy like Kevin Love? the guy looks to me like a back to the basket half court style player, not swift of foot in the least... not well suited to a run & gun system at all IMO... Gallinari would be a better fit if you wanna consider it in those terms.

we already have rebounders & guys who can score in the paint... not sure where Kevin Love would fit in.
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5/27/2008  11:43 AM
Posted by TMS:

you're worried about Gallinari's speed & his fit in Mike D's system but you want a guy like Kevin Love? the guy looks to me like a back to the basket half court style player, not swift of foot in the least... not well suited to a run & gun system at all IMO... Gallinari would be a better fit if you wanna consider it in those terms.

we already have rebounders & guys who can score in the paint... not sure where Kevin Love would fit in.

Love is a proven commodity in my mind as he dominated the Pac Ten as a frosh. I actually think Joe Alexander is a more comparitive player to Gallanari and I would take Joe A over the Italian kid just based on the limited film I've watched. In regard to Love - I'm just saying I'd take him over Gallanari because I know Love will score, rebound, pass and be a leader - despite his obvious issues with foot speed. With Gallanari we might just have a huge bust.

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5/27/2008  12:16 PM
I'm on board with whoever Walsh picks. If I'm going to play GM then I'm going to select Randolph, I like him as the 4th best prospect in this draft behind Rose, Beasely, Mayo, but that's me and I'm not a GM.

I trust whoever Donnie picks, I trust him and D'Antoni's scouting and jugement.
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5/27/2008  1:20 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by TMS:

you're worried about Gallinari's speed & his fit in Mike D's system but you want a guy like Kevin Love? the guy looks to me like a back to the basket half court style player, not swift of foot in the least... not well suited to a run & gun system at all IMO... Gallinari would be a better fit if you wanna consider it in those terms.

we already have rebounders & guys who can score in the paint... not sure where Kevin Love would fit in.

Love is a proven commodity in my mind as he dominated the Pac Ten as a frosh. I actually think Joe Alexander is a more comparitive player to Gallanari and I would take Joe A over the Italian kid just based on the limited film I've watched. In regard to Love - I'm just saying I'd take him over Gallanari because I know Love will score, rebound, pass and be a leader - despite his obvious issues with foot speed. With Gallanari we might just have a huge bust.

hey i'm not dead set on drafting the Italian kid & i agree he could turn out to be a huge bust... he could also turn out to be very good, we just never know... i definitely don't see how Kevin Love would fit in, tho i agree w/u that this team needs a leader... from what i've been reading i wouldn't rule out the possibility that the Italian kid has some leadership potential down the road either.
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5/27/2008  1:22 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I'm on board with whoever Walsh picks. If I'm going to play GM then I'm going to select Randolph, I like him as the 4th best prospect in this draft behind Rose, Beasely, Mayo, but that's me and I'm not a GM.

I trust whoever Donnie picks, I trust him and D'Antoni's scouting and jugement.

i agree, i trust whoever Walsh is gonna pick at this point.
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6/26/2008  8:34 PM
Posted by JesseDark:

I think the Knicks being the Knicks will take the Italian kid over him. Danilo Gallinari sounds more NBA ready and plus the D'Antonio factor.

Wow you nailed it! Good goin man.
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6/26/2008  10:06 PM
I thought and still think Randolph will be a bust.
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6/26/2008  10:39 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:

I thought and still think Randolph will be a bust.

I wouldnt bet the farm on that one. GS has been awesome at drafting and he went to the best system in the NBA for his skills. GS is just a better run franchise than the Knicks with half of the $$$ capabilities--but so is 90% of the NBA--thats why we win 25 games a year.

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7/20/2010  1:35 PM
This is going to be a fun season for all the right reasons. Its going to be very exciting to see AR and Gallo playing with some real NBA talent. The only thing that worries me is AR's head. Surely some of it was Nellie but AR certainly wasnt a good soldier either.

Interesting point in the thread is where a few of us essentially opted to trust Walsh and see what happens. 2 years later I feel exactly the same way and am glad he's in charge.

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