Posted by TMS:

what is his current market value to you? just curious. what he's making now was the market value for him back when he signed his contract... do you blame Cashman for signing him to that contract when he did?

keeping Giambi for another season does not make sense for us at this point.. we will have Jorge coming off an injured season & his durability going forth will be a question... that DH slot is his if he can't be the fulltime Catcher for the duration of his deal... we also have Matsui who is eligible for a contract extension & he's been very solid every year he's been here... & then there's Mark Texeiria who the Yankees are sure to target heavily to play 1B for them next season... there's no room for Giambi on this roster, he'll probably end up going back to OAK to be their DH to take Frank Thomas' place, or maybe to Anaheim if they're looking to add a lefty bat.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-24-2008 1:21 PM]

Posted by GKFv2:

Giambi is done man. He needs to call it a career.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

what is his current market value to you? just curious. what he's making now was the market value for him back when he signed his contract... do you blame Cashman for signing him to that contract when he did?

keeping Giambi for another season does not make sense for us at this point.. we will have Jorge coming off an injured season & his durability going forth will be a question... that DH slot is his if he can't be the fulltime Catcher for the duration of his deal... we also have Matsui who is eligible for a contract extension & he's been very solid every year he's been here... & then there's Mark Texeiria who the Yankees are sure to target heavily to play 1B for them next season... there's no room for Giambi on this roster, he'll probably end up going back to OAK to be their DH to take Frank Thomas' place, or maybe to Anaheim if they're looking to add a lefty bat.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-24-2008 1:21 PM]

I've never criticized cashman for signing Giambi. It made a lot of sense at the time. There's way too much unknown to give a value for Giambi right now, though. This month he's hit as well as he did at any point in his entire career. It's crazy to just flat rule out the possibility of re-signing a slugger with a .400 on-base %. You can never have too much depth. However, he's aging and he has a lot of health question marks. I need to see what happens the rest of the season. Does his body break down? Does he continue at his current pace and hit around .235 with 30 HR? Does he hit around .330 with his current May #s? What role does he want next year? Will he be Texiera's backup 1st baseman/backup DH/PH for maybe 200 to 250 at bats? If you can't answer those questions with certainty, you can't possibly know what contract to give him.

it's not crazy, it's realistic... are u saying u'd rather re-sign Giambi & let Matsui go? you can't have everyone re-signed & still go after Mark T in the offseason like you've been wanting... Giambi isn't going to re-sign here to be a backup DH/1B.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by EnySpree:

This team always has bursts of offense so there is nothing new. Most of the time this group looks like it couldn't buy a run. Something needs to be fixed. The playoffs the last few years proves that......its a long season and the yanks could get hot and win it all this year......it doesn't excape the fact that the roster needs some change.

You have to look at this season as a transition year. With all these big contracts coming off the books this winter and even more the following year, drastic change is coming. Give the kid pitchers time to develop for a year or two and retool the offense with free agents like Mark Texeira and minor leaguers like Austin Jackson and this team will be completely different in a very short time.

Just sit back and enjoy some of the young players start to blossom while the vets make an inevitable run for the playoffs. If they make it, great, if not, it's been one hell of a run and changes are coming soon enough to get this team where it belongs.

Which young players are starting to blossom? There are young players who I *hope* will blossom but the only one on the whole roster who you could say is blossoming is Joba.

Can we wait for the season to play out or should we just close shop and judge everything by less than 2 full months of the season?

Who said anything about closing shop? I'm just wondering what the basis of your statement was. You must have had some players in mind when you said the players are starting to blossom.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

what is his current market value to you? just curious. what he's making now was the market value for him back when he signed his contract... do you blame Cashman for signing him to that contract when he did?

keeping Giambi for another season does not make sense for us at this point.. we will have Jorge coming off an injured season & his durability going forth will be a question... that DH slot is his if he can't be the fulltime Catcher for the duration of his deal... we also have Matsui who is eligible for a contract extension & he's been very solid every year he's been here... & then there's Mark Texeiria who the Yankees are sure to target heavily to play 1B for them next season... there's no room for Giambi on this roster, he'll probably end up going back to OAK to be their DH to take Frank Thomas' place, or maybe to Anaheim if they're looking to add a lefty bat.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-24-2008 1:21 PM]

I've never criticized cashman for signing Giambi. It made a lot of sense at the time. There's way too much unknown to give a value for Giambi right now, though. This month he's hit as well as he did at any point in his entire career. It's crazy to just flat rule out the possibility of re-signing a slugger with a .400 on-base %. You can never have too much depth. However, he's aging and he has a lot of health question marks. I need to see what happens the rest of the season. Does his body break down? Does he continue at his current pace and hit around .235 with 30 HR? Does he hit around .330 with his current May #s? What role does he want next year? Will he be Texiera's backup 1st baseman/backup DH/PH for maybe 200 to 250 at bats? If you can't answer those questions with certainty, you can't possibly know what contract to give him.

it's not crazy, it's realistic... are u saying u'd rather re-sign Giambi & let Matsui go? you can't have everyone re-signed & still go after Mark T in the offseason like you've been wanting... Giambi isn't going to re-sign here to be a backup DH/1B.

If he's not going to, then you let him go. Hopefully Cashman won't give him a Clemens level contract.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-24-2008 9:57 PM]

Posted by TMS:

many great current players took more than a couple years to blossom into what they are

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

many great current players took more than a couple years to blossom into what they are

Agree 100% but Isles said they *already were* blossoming. I'm simply curious who he had in mind. If he misspoke and simply meant that we have a bunch of question marks who he hopes will blossom, then there's no shame in simply admitting that (although he could have clarified that in the prior reply). We all misspeak at times.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-25-2008 8:00 PM]

Actually this is exactly what I said:

"Just sit back and enjoy some of the young players start to blossom while the vets make an inevitable run for the playoffs."

Where are you quoting "already were" from?

Now please simply admit that you misquoted, misspoke, misjudged and misinterpreted in your misguided attempt to mislead people into thinking that I said something that I obviously didn't.

I think an apology is in order.

Posted by TMS:

come on this is pointless to argue about semantics here... all baseball fans need to be aware that prospects take time to develop & we should be patient w/our youth & not put undue expectations on them before they're ready... we have to remember just how young our top kids, Joba, Phil, Kennedy, Tabata, etc. are... looks to me that Joba is well on his way to becoming a star for this franchise for many years to come... we don't know yet what the other kids will turn out to be but i trust in the Yankees' braintrust to know which kids to keep & which ones they can afford to lose in a trade... they've done a pretty good job over the years of doing that... sure there's gonna be hyped young kids that never turn out to be anything just like there are for any team in baseball, just as long as we don't let the good ones slip through the cracks we'll be fine in the longterm... this franchise was smart enough to hold onto kids like Cano, Wang, Joba, Melky, Jeter, Rivera, Jorge, Pettitte, Bernie, etc. & they didn't lose out on much when they traded away kids like Brandon Claussen & Ruben Rivera... it's a damn site better than the job they did a couple decades ago when they traded promising young kids like Doug Drabek, Jay Buhner & Al Leiter for aging vets that were past their primes... at least when we've traded our best prospects like Soriano we got a damn good player in return in ARod.

out of all the kids in our farm system if we get at least 2 or 3 of them to be Allstar caliber players i think we'd have done well for ourselves personally... this franchise will always have the resources to fill holes w/free agent signings if they need to.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-26-2008 04:35 AM]