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5/25/2008  6:16 PM
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Posted by playa2:

I have to start it off with the lopez brothers, I see the collins boys written all over them.

WHO'S NEXT ?

You buggin playa. I think they both will have solid NBA careers...as a matter of fact...I think Robin will end up being the better of the two.

That's exactly what I thought. But Robin is ranked towards the end of the first 30. I once said we should draft both of them. If one didn't work out, then we'd have the other. But then again, we would still need another draft pick.
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5/25/2008  7:51 PM
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lopez won't be a bust, i think people just haven't seen him play enough. brook i think will be good with the potential to be a franchise center, robin will be a solid backup center at worst or a decent starting center at best. as far as the busts go, i would say: gordon (will be a decent scorer but not a player teams want), gallinari, LOVE i'm pretty sure won't be good, and jordan. Randolph is hard to tell, it's tough not to make the comparisons to swift and ty thomas though, and arthur will be okay but i don't think great.

Im not down on Lopez either. He does need to continue working hard but he's a legit 7-260 with excellent offensive skills--he would have to not be into it and/or injury for him to bust. Teh brother is like a Verajo type player. Maybe he wont score more than 10 points but he;; be active effective and a solid rotation player somehwere.
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5/26/2008  12:53 PM
So tell me about the lopez brothers strengths that will excel in the Association against athletic professionals.
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5/26/2008  4:34 PM
Brook - for one, the guy isn't as unathletic as people think...he's just not a freak athlete like a dwight howard or amare. that being said, he has great footwork inside, is quick enough to get by a lot of centers, has a great shot out to about the college 3pt line, is good at finishing around the basket (he had a lot of 3 point plays in the post), has great post moves, and basically carried an offensively inept team into the sweet 16. Like i said, brook tends to shoot from his body a little, so he'll need to fix that to score against bigger guys, but like i said i would still consider him an above average athlete at the center, with a very polished offensive game. Defensively, he plays outside a lot when Robin is playing but when Robin was out, he'd block a lot of shots - he had a triple double last year with 10+ blocks.

Robin - Robin is a little more athletic than brook and a better defender, but he looks jerky on offense and doesn't have that shot that brook does. He's a little stronger so he may be effective in the paint if he can work on his moves - he shouldve stayed in colege on more year, but he showed a lot at the start of the year in the 11 or so games when brook was out on academic probation. His athleticism is appealling but he is far behind Brook in terms of offensive development. If we got a late pick I wouldn't mind getting him as a backup center (or if we trade curry, he could become a starting center), but I don't think he'll ever be a franchise center.
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5/26/2008  4:35 PM
Javale Mcgee. I think he's 90% hype at this point.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 05-26-2008 5:10 PM]
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5/26/2008  4:35 PM
Posted by playa2:

So tell me about the lopez brothers strengths that will excel in the Association against athletic professionals.

Oh' it couldn't just be 'athletics'! It has to be 'athletic professionals'. Go play in traffic!
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5/26/2008  4:39 PM
Maybe this will help better about the Lopez brothers. Kind of rings a bell. I like it!


Brook Lopez, 6'-11” Center (ranked 1st) Sophomore
STRENGTHS
Solid athlete with excellent size
A good basketball I.Q.
Very effective with his back to the basket
Can hit the mid range jumper
Establishes position extremely well inside
Gets to the free throw line at a high rate
A decent shot blocker, with his timing and strength
Plays hard, smart and has good physical tools he can develop

WEAKNESSES
Sometimes settles for low-percentage shots
not a great passer out of the post
And a little bit predictable (mechanically)
Needs to develop more strength

19.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 2.1 blocks





Robin Lopez, 7'-0” PF (ranked 7th) Sophomore
STRENGTHS
Good physical tools – size, length, mobility and agility
Has good hands in some basic moves
Good passer
Nice feel for the game
Physical tools and activity level make him tough to keep off the offensive glass
Emotional player who competes hard on the defensive end, where he's a sold shot blocker
Likely, an energy guy in the NBA

WEAKNESSES
Not very skilled offensively
Lacks strength, footwork and polish
Intensity wavers at times

10.2 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 2.3 blocks

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5/26/2008  4:45 PM
The blocks between them both is a big plus and whatever else they'd bring to the Knicks couldn't hurt. Big men usually have to learn more in the NBA than they do in college. More than any other position.
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5/26/2008  8:04 PM
Posted by nyballer:

Brook - for one, the guy isn't as unathletic as people think...he's just not a freak athlete like a dwight howard or amare. that being said, he has great footwork inside, is quick enough to get by a lot of centers, has a great shot out to about the college 3pt line, is good at finishing around the basket (he had a lot of 3 point plays in the post), has great post moves, and basically carried an offensively inept team into the sweet 16. Like i said, brook tends to shoot from his body a little, so he'll need to fix that to score against bigger guys, but like i said i would still consider him an above average athlete at the center, with a very polished offensive game. Defensively, he plays outside a lot when Robin is playing but when Robin was out, he'd block a lot of shots - he had a triple double last year with 10+ blocks.

Robin - Robin is a little more athletic than brook and a better defender, but he looks jerky on offense and doesn't have that shot that brook does. He's a little stronger so he may be effective in the paint if he can work on his moves - he shouldve stayed in colege on more year, but he showed a lot at the start of the year in the 11 or so games when brook was out on academic probation. His athleticism is appealling but he is far behind Brook in terms of offensive development. If we got a late pick I wouldn't mind getting him as a backup center (or if we trade curry, he could become a starting center), but I don't think he'll ever be a franchise center.

Like I said what do these guys do well enough to establish themselves when it comes to going up against big athletic men in the NBA. Maybe 6 fouls ala the "the collins boys",

College strengths and Pro strengths are too diffrent things.

Major bust written on these guys, maybe they would be najor contribitors in ta euro league

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5/26/2008  8:06 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

Javale Mcgee. I think he's 90% hype at this point.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 05-26-2008 5:10 PM]
I agree slimpack, from what I see he's trying to get his mama a new house.

He doesn't seem the fluid to me, also king of lackadasical aloof on the court. Somebody will take a chance and hope he becomes hungry and motivated .

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5/26/2008  8:08 PM
Name the last 7ft Pac ten big man that shined in the association?

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5/26/2008  8:24 PM
so the guy that was looking for the hulk all these years is really named javalee?
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5/27/2008  6:53 PM
Oh maybe the kid from Univ Of Washington Spencer Hawes will make the pac 10 proud of their bigmen again.
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5/27/2008  7:05 PM
brook put up better numbers than hawes has...agreed the pac-10 hasnt produced a good center in a while but the lopez twins came in to school highly touted and brook especially played very well his whole college career - if we just go by past players in the same conference then anthony randolph will be tyrus thomas/stromile swift pt 3 - not saying he will or wont, but each player should get a thorough look and not just be dismissed because they are a pac-10 center. if you look at the best centers in the NBA it isn't like they are all coming from one or two conferences, most of these guys didnt go to college like dwight howard, amare, yao, al jefferson, jermaine oneal, etc.
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5/27/2008  9:09 PM
DO YOU BELIEVE LOPEZ AND LOVE WILL BE BETTER THAN CHANNING FRYE? If so why
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5/27/2008  9:13 PM
Gordon and Gallinari will be the 2 biggest busts in this draft.
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5/27/2008  11:37 PM
i dont like love at all, don't think he will be much in the nba.

i saw channing frye play, him and brook were totally different. brook is not a jumpshooter - he plays inside but has the jumpshot to hit if he is open. stanford would bring the ball down the court and brook would set up down low, if they did a good enough job denying the entry pass brook would flash out to set a pick and off of the pick he'd get open shots. but brook was the #1 option and he was a post option.

salim stoudemire was the top option on channing frye's arizona team his last year, he was primarily a jump shooter. he rarely was the go to option in the post and seemed too scared to go inside, even against teams that had no inside presence. brook is bigger (wont get pushed around inside) and will be more assertive. i mean brook put up 19 8 and 2 as a sophomore, frye was a senior putting up 14 and 6 or something.

frye's problem was he was a jumpshooter first post player distant second - lopez is a post player more than a shooter, people just talk about his shooting so much because he is 7'0 tall. for the record i was 100% opposed to drafting channing frye, i wanted granger or gerald green in that draft. I'm not saying we should draft lopez because I dont know how hed fit in to D'antoni's style and with our bigs, but i think everyone here is writing him off without really seeing him or giving him a fair shot bc he is a pac-10 center.
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5/28/2008  12:50 AM
we just can't have a player named Brook Lopez, that's all it comes down to, sorry kid.

Someone good enough to end the speculation will drop like OJ or Bayless

Still think we'll end up moving the pick
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5/28/2008  5:39 AM
bayless wont drop past 4 at seattle, and mayo is the 3rd best player so i doubt he drops to 6. look i know what brook's ceiling and floor is and i'm not even trying to say the knicks should draft him - but im pretty sure we will be looking at randolph, lopez, westbrook, gallinari, gordon here. personally i'd prefer going with westbrook, but we'll see what dantoni and walsh like. brook on the right team will be a more coveted player on the league for sure.
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5/28/2008  10:16 AM
Posted by nyballer:

i dont like love at all, don't think he will be much in the nba.

i saw channing frye play, him and brook were totally different. brook is not a jumpshooter - he plays inside but has the jumpshot to hit if he is open. stanford would bring the ball down the court and brook would set up down low, if they did a good enough job denying the entry pass brook would flash out to set a pick and off of the pick he'd get open shots. but brook was the #1 option and he was a post option.

salim stoudemire was the top option on channing frye's arizona team his last year, he was primarily a jump shooter. he rarely was the go to option in the post and seemed too scared to go inside, even against teams that had no inside presence. brook is bigger (wont get pushed around inside) and will be more assertive. i mean brook put up 19 8 and 2 as a sophomore, frye was a senior putting up 14 and 6 or something.

frye's problem was he was a jumpshooter first post player distant second - lopez is a post player more than a shooter, people just talk about his shooting so much because he is 7'0 tall. for the record i was 100% opposed to drafting channing frye, i wanted granger or gerald green in that draft. I'm not saying we should draft lopez because I dont know how hed fit in to D'antoni's style and with our bigs, but i think everyone here is writing him off without really seeing him or giving him a fair shot bc he is a pac-10 center.

So my question to you is will Brook Lopez show more than Channing Frye in the NBA?

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