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TrueBlue
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5/19/2008  11:59 AM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I've had the mindset that as far as talent goes this is who Rose' game resembles most. It's not a bad thing when doing the comparison from a talent perspective but as for me personally I don't want a scoring dominant point guard who's really an undersized 2 guard in a point guard's body. I'll pass and take my chances on other lottery talent.

Like I said switch Mayo and Rose on each other's team and we'd be talking about Mayo and Rose would be a very distant 4rth or 5th.


Truthfully, how many pure pgs are there in the league anyway? The league is dominated by scring pg's: Baron Davis, Tony Parker, Marbury, Deron Williams, Bibby, Iverson, Tinsley, Billups, Arenas, Nelson, Mo Williams and even everyone favorite Chirs Paul is a scorer. Its the way of the league right now.

Correction Deron Williams is not a scoring point guard he's pure bred point guard through and through

Uhhhh Duh!!!!

I mean the guy averaged a career 6ast in College for 3yrs straight. Just because the guy has mad offensive game doesn't make him a scoring point guard he's a POINT GUARD who can score.

There's a way to look at things in that there are

point guards by nature who can score(look to set up teammates first and pick their spots to score and if on a roll continue with whatever is most effective. assist numbers tend to be even proportioned to their offensive production..example of such player would be(16-20ppg~10-12asst/gm)

scorers by nature who play the position of point guard(look for their offense first put up larger scoring numbers in proportion their assist. leads their team in scoring generally almost every season by a comfortable margin..example of such player would be(22-26ppg~6-8ast/gm)

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5/19/2008  1:52 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I've had the mindset that as far as talent goes this is who Rose' game resembles most. It's not a bad thing when doing the comparison from a talent perspective but as for me personally I don't want a scoring dominant point guard who's really an undersized 2 guard in a point guard's body. I'll pass and take my chances on other lottery talent.

Like I said switch Mayo and Rose on each other's team and we'd be talking about Mayo and Rose would be a very distant 4rth or 5th.


Truthfully, how many pure pgs are there in the league anyway? The league is dominated by scring pg's: Baron Davis, Tony Parker, Marbury, Deron Williams, Bibby, Iverson, Tinsley, Billups, Arenas, Nelson, Mo Williams and even everyone favorite Chirs Paul is a scorer. Its the way of the league right now.

Correction Deron Williams is not a scoring point guard he's pure bred point guard through and through

Uhhhh Duh!!!!

I mean the guy averaged a career 6ast in College for 3yrs straight. Just because the guy has mad offensive game doesn't make him a scoring point guard he's a POINT GUARD who can score.

There's a way to look at things in that there are

point guards by nature who can score(look to set up teammates first and pick their spots to score and if on a roll continue with whatever is most effective. assist numbers tend to be even proportioned to their offensive production..example of such player would be(16-20ppg~10-12asst/gm)

scorers by nature who play the position of point guard(look for their offense first put up larger scoring numbers in proportion their assist. leads their team in scoring generally almost every season by a comfortable margin..example of such player would be(22-26ppg~6-8ast/gm)

If you watched Derrick Rose this year, you will realize he was an orchestrator as well. No he didn't average 8-9 ast per, but he orchestrated a motion offense which promoted ball movement. He definitely looked to set up his teammates first.

So as you say, Rose IMO, is a PG who can score.
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5/19/2008  1:55 PM
Posted by martin:
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I still got love for Marbs tho. I still want Marbury to win a championship w/ or w/o the Knicks. Hopefully with

why the love? dude is whack.

for real... crack is whack steph
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5/19/2008  4:05 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I still got love for Marbs tho. I still want Marbury to win a championship w/ or w/o the Knicks. Hopefully with

why the love? dude is whack.

I agree with Cook, I dont think Marbury is a bad person at all. He just has an oversized ego that seems to form in conjunction with some sort of mental issue and the overall historical spector of being reared in a crappy, inner city environment.

I still root that he can get it together and salvage his career (relatively speaking). Just not with the Knicks tho.

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5/19/2008  4:14 PM
Marbury was one of the best freshman PG prospects I have ever seen.
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5/19/2008  4:28 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I still got love for Marbs tho. I still want Marbury to win a championship w/ or w/o the Knicks. Hopefully with

why the love? dude is whack.


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5/19/2008  6:47 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Elite:

They both spent 1 year in college so who was the better college player?

I never watched him but I heard marbury was better in every aspect.

Your thoughts?

Yes!

co-sign. Marbury was a stud in College.

and while we're on the subject of "who was better..."

Camby was better than Duncan.
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5/20/2008  9:25 AM
the defining game of Marbury's college career for me was when he played Iverson. the matchup was so hyped up and the game came and Marbury was easy to guard because he wouldn't pass it to his teammates. they trapped him at half court and just neutralized him.

I think Marbury might be better in some skill sets, but I've always been of the belief that players are made, not born. Rose played with some great talent and probably learned a hell of a lot more basketball in college than Marbury did.

Rose is bigger than Marbury, plays with his head up more and every scout and talent evaluator and GM in the league has compared him to Jason Kidd and Chris Paul in terms of ability to impact the game from the PG position.

if you want a guy to compare Marbury to who is coming out in this draft, it's J Bayless. He can't go left, gets abused on the pick and roll, doesn't trust his teammates and yells at them. I never saw Derrick Rose do any of that and Memphis was the team I watched most this season. though it is true that Rose can't go left as well, he doesn't look to dominate the game quite as much, he passes more and sets up others - maybe he benefitted from playing with good guys, but hey, maybe that's a valuable lesson for him - trust your teamates.

if CDR could have hit a few free throws at the end of regulation, people would be calling Rose a champion. He's good. Comparing college careers is tricky, but I think you can look at things like how someone treats their teammates or approaches big games to get a clue as to what their NBA behavior will be. Rose had a tournament that reminded me of D Wade's a few years back.


[Edited by - crzymdups on 20-05-2008 09:30 AM]
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5/20/2008  11:02 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

the defining game of Marbury's college career for me was when he played Iverson. the matchup was so hyped up and the game came and Marbury was easy to guard because he wouldn't pass it to his teammates. they trapped him at half court and just neutralized him.

I think Marbury might be better in some skill sets, but I've always been of the belief that players are made, not born. Rose played with some great talent and probably learned a hell of a lot more basketball in college than Marbury did.

Rose is bigger than Marbury, plays with his head up more and every scout and talent evaluator and GM in the league has compared him to Jason Kidd and Chris Paul in terms of ability to impact the game from the PG position.

if you want a guy to compare Marbury to who is coming out in this draft, it's J Bayless. He can't go left, gets abused on the pick and roll, doesn't trust his teammates and yells at them. I never saw Derrick Rose do any of that and Memphis was the team I watched most this season. though it is true that Rose can't go left as well, he doesn't look to dominate the game quite as much, he passes more and sets up others - maybe he benefitted from playing with good guys, but hey, maybe that's a valuable lesson for him - trust your teamates.

if CDR could have hit a few free throws at the end of regulation, people would be calling Rose a champion. He's good. Comparing college careers is tricky, but I think you can look at things like how someone treats their teammates or approaches big games to get a clue as to what their NBA behavior will be. Rose had a tournament that reminded me of D Wade's a few years back.


[Edited by - crzymdups on 20-05-2008 09:30 AM]


Rose can't go left as well, has very poor ball handling skills in traffic, and a very shotty jumper. He's nothing like Kidd or Paul and LOL Paul and Kidd are different in so many ways. This should be a red flag as to how bad the so called experts give player comparisons. Paul and Kidd are similar in the fact they play an open court game well but Paul has far better ball handling, isn't reckless with the ball as Kidd is, has a far better jumper and penetrating game than Kidd. Kidd is the better passer, defender, and uptempo player. Both players can go either direction pretty well and use either hand to finish or pass in traffic. Rose lacks so many aspects of their game. Rose is an athletic freak, who can shock you with playmaking if you don't pay attention to him and is very good in the open court and finisher.
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5/20/2008  11:07 AM
I said he was compared to Kidd and Paul in terms of how he could dominate the game from the PG position. That implies controlling the tempo, orchestrating the offense, etc. Clearly all three guys do it in different ways.

Rose's jumper is not as bad as you say. And I also said Rose couldn't go left right in the post you quoted.
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