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djsunyc
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knicks get #1 or #2. would your rather keep the pick or trade it for melo?
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Solace
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5/14/2008  4:50 PM
I'm fine with trading for another player, but are people seriously claiming that they think Derrick Rose is going to be better than Carmelo Anthony? That's a tough sell for me.
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5/14/2008  4:54 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nyk4ever:

No way to Melo.

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5/14/2008  5:09 PM
I cant believe more people wouldnt go for Melo for the pick[sans 1-2]. He has been the main catalyst to turn that team into a winning team--he is a huge component. I cant see Walsh or Dantoni saying no to Melo for a draft pick--even pick 3--I wouldnt.

How can someone compare him to Marbury? Marbury was on all losing teams except one his last year in Phoenix/ BEFORE Denver drafted Melo they won 17 games. Since then they have been a solid team with a good winning % in a tough conference. If Denver was in the east--we would be talking about 52-54 wins per. No player can win alone--Denver had serious injury problems with martin Nene etc... Melo is a winner--he won at Syracuse and hes been a winning player at Denver. He is No Zach randolph or Marbury--he's an elite level player and 23 years old still I believe---what player have we acquired with his kind of skills size and resume to back it up? I mean he is nearly a 30 point scorer shooting 50% a solid rebounder good passer--in this ssytem he could be a 30-32 point scorer. No way the Knicks give that up.
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5/14/2008  5:14 PM
If it were anyone other than Beasley or Rose I would trade it for Melo in a second.
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5/14/2008  5:46 PM
I'd do it if we package the pick and Randolph for Melo, Kmart?, and their 1st rounder.

Trade Curry for Ford and we are all good and rid of two bloated beasts.
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5/14/2008  6:18 PM
Posted by Solace:

I'm fine with trading for another player, but are people seriously claiming that they think Derrick Rose is going to be better than Carmelo Anthony? That's a tough sell for me.

Forget Rose, if we are talking about trading the 3rd pick which is essentially Jerryd Bayless, for Anthony, that is a no-brainer. I've seen most people on this board say this draft drops dramatically after the 2nd pick. According to most here, Bayless is an undersized 2g, so is Mayo and Lopez is soft. So we would rather build with one of the aforementioned flawed players as opposed to trading one of them for Anthony, a proven allstar in this league?

If we get cap flexibility, Anthony is the type of player we will target anyway. If we land the 3rd pick or lower, I think I would have to move it for Anthony if that trade is offered.
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5/14/2008  6:25 PM
I would consider it. I like Melo his game would fit well with D'Antoni system. Pick + Crawford + Lee + Randolph for Melo, Martin and Smith this years pick and future 1st round pick..
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5/14/2008  6:34 PM
Posted by Solace:

I'm fine with trading for another player, but are people seriously claiming that they think Derrick Rose is going to be better than Carmelo Anthony? That's a tough sell for me.

i think it's more of a question of having to commit to building around Melo if u make that sorta deal, & at the dollars he's signed to i dunno if i would say it's a no brain decision... he's not the type of guy i consider to be a cornerstone franchise player... who knows if a guy like Rose would ever become one but i'd be willing to see if he is... we need a leader on this team & Melo has proven to me he clearly isn't one... he's got all the talent but none of the other intangibles i would look for in a franchise guy personally.
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5/14/2008  6:39 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:

I'm fine with trading for another player, but are people seriously claiming that they think Derrick Rose is going to be better than Carmelo Anthony? That's a tough sell for me.

i think it's more of a question of having to commit to building around Melo if u make that sorta deal, & at the dollars he's signed to i dunno if i would say it's a no brain decision... he's not the type of guy i consider to be a cornerstone franchise player... who knows if a guy like Rose would ever become one but i'd be willing to see if he is... we need a leader on this team & Melo has proven to me he clearly isn't one... he's got all the talent but none of the other intangibles i would look for in a franchise guy personally.

I think he is a leader, adding AI to the team kinda killed that for him. He never got to be like LeBron and run the team instead they have AI handling the ball a ton and shooting it a ton. That kind of took the team away from him somewhat. Any way you look at it AI is a very dominating personality. Being the young guy Melo kinda took the back seat because of AI.

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5/14/2008  6:54 PM
No to Melo. His stats are decent but neither his offensive nor his defensive game stack up at the highest level. His attitude will continue to be to his detriment. I easily prefer Beasley, Mayo, Rose and a handful of other players in the draft.

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5/14/2008  6:58 PM
i think he's still way too immature to be a leader... Lebron came into this league ready made to lead much in the same way Jordan, Magic & Chris Paul did... i can't say i see the same types of intangibles in Melo's character... he seems very pouty & doesn't have that indomitable will that those guys had... i know he led his team in college to success but he hasn't shown me he can lead grown men the way those other guys did.

Kobe has always had that killer instinct & drive to be the best too & now it seems he's developed that final intangible to lead men as well, that charisma that other guys just naturally seem to want to follow... KG developed that too... Melo doesn't have that leader's charisma in my view (just my opinion) & i dunno if he has it in him to ever grow into one... he's got immense talent & ability but if u ask me he's better suited to play alongside a more dominant personality... him & AI coulda been a great tandem if they'd had a bigman inside as a scoring threat... they already have a dominant defensive presence in the middle in Camby along w/some nice role players like Najera & Smith, i think they're only missing that 1 final piece inside.
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5/14/2008  7:39 PM
I don't agree that Kobe had that. I think Kobe was a punk that didn't care about his teammates for his first few seasons in the NBA. It was only when Phil Jackson came along that Kobe took notice and started making a large effort. Now, finally, we can say that Kobe has matured. I think Carmelo still has time to develop that.
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5/14/2008  7:41 PM
Posted by TMS:

i think he's still way too immature to be a leader... Lebron came into this league ready made to lead much in the same way Jordan, Magic & Chris Paul did... i can't say i see the same types of intangibles in Melo's character... he seems very pouty & doesn't have that indomitable will that those guys had... i know he led his team in college to success but he hasn't shown me he can lead grown men the way those other guys did.

Kobe has always had that killer instinct & drive to be the best too & now it seems he's developed that final intangible to lead men as well, that charisma that other guys just naturally seem to want to follow... KG developed that too... Melo doesn't have that leader's charisma in my view (just my opinion) & i dunno if he has it in him to ever grow into one... he's got immense talent & ability but if u ask me he's better suited to play alongside a more dominant personality... him & AI coulda been a great tandem if they'd had a bigman inside as a scoring threat... they already have a dominant defensive presence in the middle in Camby along w/some nice role players like Najera & Smith, i think they're only missing that 1 final piece inside.


I think situations where a player is plays an improtant role. I find George Karl to be immature and basically lacks any skills to lead men. That kind of rubbed off on Melo. But when he came out of College with a national championship under his belt you can't tell me you didn't think he was a leader.
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5/14/2008  8:03 PM
Posted by Solace:

I don't agree that Kobe had that. I think Kobe was a punk that didn't care about his teammates for his first few seasons in the NBA. It was only when Phil Jackson came along that Kobe took notice and started making a large effort. Now, finally, we can say that Kobe has matured. I think Carmelo still has time to develop that.
i said Kobe developed that, he didn't come into the league read to lead the way those other guys did... but i don't see Melo developing that intangible... just my opinion.
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5/14/2008  8:06 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by TMS:

i think he's still way too immature to be a leader... Lebron came into this league ready made to lead much in the same way Jordan, Magic & Chris Paul did... i can't say i see the same types of intangibles in Melo's character... he seems very pouty & doesn't have that indomitable will that those guys had... i know he led his team in college to success but he hasn't shown me he can lead grown men the way those other guys did.

Kobe has always had that killer instinct & drive to be the best too & now it seems he's developed that final intangible to lead men as well, that charisma that other guys just naturally seem to want to follow... KG developed that too... Melo doesn't have that leader's charisma in my view (just my opinion) & i dunno if he has it in him to ever grow into one... he's got immense talent & ability but if u ask me he's better suited to play alongside a more dominant personality... him & AI coulda been a great tandem if they'd had a bigman inside as a scoring threat... they already have a dominant defensive presence in the middle in Camby along w/some nice role players like Najera & Smith, i think they're only missing that 1 final piece inside.


I think situations where a player is plays an improtant role. I find George Karl to be immature and basically lacks any skills to lead men. That kind of rubbed off on Melo. But when he came out of College with a national championship under his belt you can't tell me you didn't think he was a leader.

fair enough about the college comment, as i noted above... i dunno how much of an effect Karl's coaching style has had on his maturity level or not... it didn't seem to hamper Gary Payton from being a leader in Seattle... there's just some guys who i feel have it in them to be leaders, & i just dunno if Melo will ever get it... time will tell obviously.
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5/14/2008  10:35 PM
When I watch USA basketball--many times the player who looks the best is Carmelo. Whoever thinks there will be several players in this draft who are better than melo--you are out of your gord. If I didnt get pick 1 or 2 and they offered me Melo for pick whatever and Marbury--as long as I knew that he was straight in terms of any of the court drinking etc.. problems that it was just a period of time many people go through--then it's a no-brainer and this is coming from a guy who supports building through the draft as much as anyone. The kid is 23 years old and has first team all NBA talent and has been an NBA and Olympic impact player from day 1.
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5/14/2008  10:49 PM
Hell no I don't want mayo. He's under investigation. Already in trouble and a bad sign. Run as fast as you can from this guy.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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5/14/2008  10:51 PM
Wait a minute. You guys are' talking about O. J. Mayo right? Seems that everyone spelled it wrong.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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5/14/2008  10:52 PM
Posted by 4949:

Wait a minute. You guys are' talking about O. J. Mayo right? Seems that everyone spelled it wrong.

No, Melo, short for Carmelo, as in Carmelo Anthony.
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5/14/2008  10:54 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by 4949:

Wait a minute. You guys are' talking about O. J. Mayo right? Seems that everyone spelled it wrong.

No, Melo, short for Carmelo, as in Carmelo Anthony.

WTF!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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