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crzymdups
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5/12/2008  12:54 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Can I ask this? What exactly has changed? All the fat lazy and retarded still ave to go.......

Marbs, Q, Zach, Curry, Jared, Jerome, collins and Malik have to go! Nothing has changed with that. I believe Donnie was brought here to do that. He will do his best to make most of them disappear.

D'antoni likes ball players. He likes shot makers. He likes atheletes. Nate and Craw are perfect to run a more open scheme cuz both guys are above average ball handlers and able passers.

David Lee, Balkman, Wilson, Nate, Crawford? The Knicks would do well if they kept these guys.

Knicks have the lottery pick and they have Malik, Marbs and Jerome's contract to shop.

Right off the bat, Marion for Marbs is a major possibilty especialy with D'antoni here. Jermaine Oneal is also a guy out there. Shit, maybe even amare! Who knows? I know there will be some changes.....but nothing out of the ordinary list of pansies.

I agree with most of this post... I don't understand the hate for Crawford. He was asked to run an offense that had zero structure or accountability and performed well. with a system and some of the bad eggs, useless parts gone, he can be much better.

I don't think Marion is an option though - he can opt out this summer, Miami has no reason to trade him, unless they sign & trade him at the draft for someone. But trading him for Marbury who expires next summer makes no sense for them.
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5/12/2008  12:57 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Man, watching Jamal Crawford throw up even crappier shots than before will be painful. Hopefully he's traded in the summer before he has the chance to do so.

Maybe for that extra draft pick I been wishing for?
I'll never trust this' team again.
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5/12/2008  4:02 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

I agree with most of this post... I don't understand the hate for Crawford. He was asked to run an offense that had zero structure or accountability and performed well. with a system and some of the bad eggs, useless parts gone, he can be much better.

i can understand people's frustration w/Jamal but personally speaking he's my favorite player on this team other than Lee... i think he's way more talented than most people give him credit for around here.

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5/12/2008  8:27 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by crzymdups:

I agree with most of this post... I don't understand the hate for Crawford. He was asked to run an offense that had zero structure or accountability and performed well. with a system and some of the bad eggs, useless parts gone, he can be much better.

i can understand people's frustration w/Jamal but personally speaking he's my favorite player on this team other than Lee... i think he's way more talented than most people give him credit for around here.

He is very talented- but the problem is his shooting is highly inconsistent. Yes, if his shot selection improved (under a coach like D, as he showed under LB), his overall efficiency would likewise improve, but he is still a streaky shooter, and always will be.

I mean, there are guys in the NBA who, if left open, will make open shots, all day long. Not Crawford.

I'm sure D'Antoni will want to keep him, but he is one of our more valuable contracts and could yield us a shorter contract & pick or be a part in moving one of our Fat Boys!
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5/12/2008  10:30 AM
Balkman: thrive- he can run and rebound
Chandler: thrive- he can run and has range on his shot- think he will benefit more this year than others
Collins: die- not athletic and more of a half court pg.
Crawford: thrive- he must be salivating because he is more of an open court guy. good news is that he want hold the ball through the shot clock and be forced to make decisions.
Curry: thrive- though he is fat last year, we forgot how well he ran the floor two years ago and he was the constant recipient of alley-oops. will happen this year.
James: die- out of the league
Jeffries: die- limited offensively
Jones: die- he is gone anyway
Lee: thrive- could be a career year for him. can rebound, pass and run. becides curry, best finisher on the team.
Marbury: thrive- contract year and will do well with the pick and roll.
Morris: die- he is gone anyway
Randolph: thrive- this is a suprise. rthough he is not a thunderous finisher, he can rebound which will start the fast break. he can also run to a degree and finish with both hands.
Richardson: die/thrive- depends on whcih one we see. if it is the one from two years ago, thrive as he will get more 3pts opportunities. but don't hold your breath.
Robinson: thrive- perfect system for him. don't be suprised if he has a career year.
Rose: die- too old
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5/12/2008  10:47 AM
d'antoni will be bringing a potentially exciting brand of bball to the garden.

who thrives? d'antoni's, walsh's, and dolan's accountants...
who dies? the pheonix suns...
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5/12/2008  10:48 AM
Posted by McK1:

comeback year for Steph

he's still the best guard on the team...
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5/12/2008  10:49 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

d'antoni will be bringing a potentially exciting brand of bball to the garden.

who thrives? d'antoni's, walsh's, and dolan's accountants...
who dies? the pheonix suns...


How much you want to wager the Suns win over 50gms next yr if healthy?
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5/12/2008  10:54 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

d'antoni will be bringing a potentially exciting brand of bball to the garden.

who thrives? d'antoni's, walsh's, and dolan's accountants...
who dies? the pheonix suns...


How much you want to wager the Suns win over 50gms next yr if healthy?

i don't doubt that.
but after next season, they will need a few years to re-group...
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5/12/2008  10:57 AM
Balkman: Thrive - Very athletic who will do better offensively under Mike
Chandler: Thrive - Versatile and athletic - may play the 4 like Marion
Collins: Die - Will spend all of the game on the bench
Crawford: Thrive - Athleticism, passing ability and fair outside shot
Curry: Die
James: Die
Jeffries: Die - but will get minutes off the bench
Jones: May have a role off the bench
Lee: Thrive - passing, rebounding, garbage baskets
Marbury: Sayonara
Morris: Sayonara
Randolph: Sayonara
Richardson: Depends on his health
Robinson: Thrive
Rose: He's done
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5/12/2008  11:03 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

d'antoni will be bringing a potentially exciting brand of bball to the garden.

who thrives? d'antoni's, walsh's, and dolan's accountants...
who dies? the pheonix suns...


How much you want to wager the Suns win over 50gms next yr if healthy?

i don't doubt that.
but after next season, they will need a few years to re-group...

That was the case even if D'Antoni stayed but then again they still have Colangelo around a (minority owner I believe) and acts as an advisor. The same guy we wanted to hire instead of Walsh to help turn things around. He knows how to rebuild their franchise he's done it multiple times. He'll assist in finding the right people to get the job done as long as he's visible in that organization. If we don't get D'Antoni his guys in here real fast the Suns stand a chance to recover/maintain/resurface faster than we will.
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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5/12/2008  11:07 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

d'antoni will be bringing a potentially exciting brand of bball to the garden.

who thrives? d'antoni's, walsh's, and dolan's accountants...
who dies? the pheonix suns...


How much you want to wager the Suns win over 50gms next yr if healthy?

i don't doubt that.
but after next season, they will need a few years to re-group...

That was the case even if D'Antoni stayed but then again they still have Colangelo around a (minority owner I believe) and acts as an advisor. The same guy we wanted to hire instead of Walsh to help turn things around. He knows how to rebuild their franchise he's done it multiple times. He'll assist in finding the right people to get the job done as long as he's visible in that organization. If we don't get D'Antoni his guys in here real fast the Suns stand a chance to recover/maintain/resurface faster than we will.

I really don't get how you can argue Colangelo vs Walsh. They are both the same to me, both have rebuilt numerous times and neither have ever won a damn thing. You just like anything that is non-Knicks is really what it comes down to.
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5/12/2008  11:25 AM

Balkman: Depends on what he brings. Good rebounder who can start a break! Must shoot better!!
Chandler: Thrive - Can get intot the rotation and start IF the % is there!!!!
Collins: Doubt he stays. But we have yet to see an healthy Collins in a long time
Crawford: Thrive - Could be trade fodder.
Curry: Thrive if he buys into being a rebounder instead of scorer. Die if he does not evolve
James: A donut every 7 seconds!!!!
Jeffries: THRIVE, he will have a career year and thrive in an uptempo system. At 6-11 he has all the tools. He starts!
Jones: Buh bye.
Lee: Thrive - He runs, he shoots, he rebounds, he passes, he is the poster boy, he is DeBussure!
Marbury: Trade fodder, but he gets a good chance to buy in and redeem!
Morris: Likley gone, but what can he really do if given the chance?
Randolph: I can't see this guy buying into the system and should be trade fodder.
Richardson: Thrive- but his % must be there. He played under miked So he knows. But the back, oh the back!!
Robinson: Trade fodder. The special one could have a place but becomes a defensive liability that is hard to overcome.
Rose: Trade fodder. Expiring. Might make a nice assistant coach if you gotta pay him.


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5/12/2008  11:28 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

d'antoni will be bringing a potentially exciting brand of bball to the garden.

who thrives? d'antoni's, walsh's, and dolan's accountants...
who dies? the pheonix suns...


How much you want to wager the Suns win over 50gms next yr if healthy?

i don't doubt that.
but after next season, they will need a few years to re-group...

That was the case even if D'Antoni stayed but then again they still have Colangelo around a (minority owner I believe) and acts as an advisor. The same guy we wanted to hire instead of Walsh to help turn things around. He knows how to rebuild their franchise he's done it multiple times. He'll assist in finding the right people to get the job done as long as he's visible in that organization. If we don't get D'Antoni his guys in here real fast the Suns stand a chance to recover/maintain/resurface faster than we will.

I really don't get how you can argue Colangelo vs Walsh. They are both the same to me, both have rebuilt numerous times and neither have ever won a damn thing. You just like anything that is non-Knicks is really what it comes down to.


Wrong I was on board for hiring Walsh and got on fans who thought it was somewhat of a let down hire because we didn't hire Colangelo. Matter of you were one who stated "You'd rather hire Colangelo but Walsh will do". Well if Colangelo is still present in their organization how come he can't help/assist in turning things around in Phx? It's a little different too with Walsh having Dolan around and always the thought I SAY UGH may regain some influence.

We have ever reason to be skeptical.

I'm using logic that's all nyk4ever.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-12-2008 10:33 AM]
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5/12/2008  11:29 AM
For the record I think

Nate
Balkman
Lee

Can thrive in D'Antoni's system the other players will either remain the same or be busts.
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5/12/2008  11:35 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:


Wrong I was on board for hiring Walsh and got on fans who thought it was somewhat of a let down hire because we didn't hire Colangelo. Matter of you were one who stated "You'd rather hire Colangelo but Walsh will do". Well if Colangelo is still present in their organization how come he can't help/assist in turning things around? It's a little different too with Walsh having Dolan around and always the thought I SAY UGH may regain some influence. We have ever reason to be skeptical.

I'm using logic that's all nyk4ever.

I never once called it a letdown, although I did want Colangelo more, but always said Walsh will be just fine. Part of the reason for wanting Colangelo over Walsh was because he he had experience as owner and also coach and he has a very successful real estate business. The guy has done it all really, which is what intrigued me and gave him the nod over Walsh. When it comes down to it though, neither of them have been better than the other when putting basketball teams together because neither won a championship, although both have come quite close.
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5/12/2008  11:45 AM
Who Thrives?

Chandler, Crawford, Robinson, Lee, Balkman, Q-Rich (If in shape), Jeffries, Marbury (If his head is in the game)

Who Dies?

Everybody else... correction Marbury has to be added here as well, because his head won't be in the game.
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Wrong I was on board for hiring Walsh and got on fans who thought it was somewhat of a let down hire because we didn't hire Colangelo. Matter of you were one who stated "You'd rather hire Colangelo but Walsh will do". Well if Colangelo is still present in their organization how come he can't help/assist in turning things around? It's a little different too with Walsh having Dolan around and always the thought I SAY UGH may regain some influence. We have ever reason to be skeptical.

I'm using logic that's all nyk4ever.

I never once called it a letdown, although I did want Colangelo more, but always said Walsh will be just fine. Part of the reason for wanting Colangelo over Walsh was because he he had experience as owner and also coach and he has a very successful real estate business. The guy has done it all really, which is what intrigued me and gave him the nod over Walsh. When it comes down to it though, neither of them have been better than the other when putting basketball teams together because neither won a championship, although both have come quite close.


Letdown in the sense Walsh wasn't the number one choice meanwhile D'Antoni was Tops on a lot of Knick fans list once he became available. I agree neither have accomplished the ultimate. I don't have a problem with DW, I have a problem with him being a Yes Man. Of course none of us know the intricate details of the daily operations at MSG but IMO so far things are following an o so familiar course. I hope I'm wrong and D'Antoni proves to be that dude but I doubt it. D'Antoni hasn't done well in rebuild situations where he doesn't have his pieces. The rope afforded to him I imagine will be longer than LB's but if D'Antoni is more than just a system's coach our record should considerably reflect better next yr than it has the past 4 seasons. He should net us 39 wins or better if not we could have just hired Mark Jackson on the cheap giving him a yr to establish his system and have better lottery position in 2009.

I'd also like to add I realize Colangelo's influence isn't what it once was with the Suns but he does have a pulse on their team. And if the ish hits the fan he'll be right there in the thick of things to get the Suns back on track.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-12-2008 10:53 AM]
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5/12/2008  5:09 PM
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Letdown in the sense Walsh wasn't the number one choice meanwhile D'Antoni was Tops on a lot of Knick fans list once he became available. I agree neither have accomplished the ultimate. I don't have a problem with DW, I have a problem with him being a Yes Man. Of course none of us know the intricate details of the daily operations at MSG but IMO so far things are following an o so familiar course.

There is no evidence to say that the course if familiar. Isiah had no plan when making his billion moves. Donnie says he has a plan and is making his moves accordingly. So this is a wait and see.
I hope I'm wrong and D'Antoni proves to be that dude but I doubt it. D'Antoni hasn't done well in rebuild situations where he doesn't have his pieces.

When have you seen D'Antoni coaching a rebuild situation? Seems to me he went from a 30 win team to a 60 win team. That not rebuilding? And then he lost JJ and Q and still kept the team rolling. Oh, and he lost Amare for a year and kept the same regular season record.
The rope afforded to him I imagine will be longer than LB's but if D'Antoni is more than just a system's coach our record should considerably reflect better next yr than it has the past 4 seasons. He should net us 39 wins or better if not we could have just hired Mark Jackson on the cheap giving him a yr to establish his system and have better lottery position in 2009.

We are rebuilding and will trim roster and/or move roster to purge. To say that we should have a near 40 win season next year is putting expectations on a team that is just not reasonable. And just cause you are an inexpereinced coach why is the expectations different? With ANY GM/coach the expectations should be the same. Have a plan, stick to it, gather the right coach and player combo and see it through.
I'd also like to add I realize Colangelo's influence isn't what it once was with the Suns but he does have a pulse on their team. And if the ish hits the fan he'll be right there in the thick of things to get the Suns back on track.

THis is complete speculation.
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5/12/2008  5:26 PM
Balkman: Forward who can bring the ball up - thrives
Chandler: 6'9" dude who can shoot, handle and defend (perfect player according to Mike D)
Collins: With a better spaced floor I think this guy takes a big leap
Crawford: Will turn into more of a spot up shooter - if disciplined, has the tools to thrive
Curry: nope - E-City is done here
James: will be cut before the season
Jeffries: Should take the biggest leap with Mike D. I think he'll end up playing the 5.
Jones: gone anyway
Lee: Must be traded if the cap goal is serious (we can't resign him)
Marbury: Where's he at mentally? You never know with Steph.
Morris: gone anyway
Randolph: Is he ready to play winning basketball? Ability is certainly there.
Richardson: Has always been a part of the answer when healthy. Not counting on him being healthy.
Robinson: He's got to be drooling right now. I only see this kid getting better.
Rose: trade bait for anyone willing to take one of Isiah's mistakes.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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