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5/11/2008  4:33 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by 4949:
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David Lee is never becoming an "NBA force" so you should probably start lowering your expectations.

Translation: 'I don't want David Lee to be good at anything. He might prove me wrong'.

Dude, you should be happy we have change now. And positive change at that. Most people on this board are speaking positive right now. That's what we wanted.

You don't represent most people. I'm pretty sure the public perception is split with not sure/happy/pissed. Either way, hat has nothing to do with David Lee. Again, David Lee is what he is. Maybe he gets a little better than what he is now but anyone expecting him to be Amare Stoudamire or something is smoking some serious stuff. Just because there is a "positive change" doesn't mean you are supposed to live in an alternate universe. The reality didn't change. Maybe for you but not for me.

Well, in that case, if we are as doomed as a few of you are making this all out to be, then what is the holy point of talking about anything anymore. It's starting to get a little depressing around here again. But I'm not going to let it get me down. We'll just have to wait and see how all' of this plays out. For now, Donnie and D'Antoni are off limits to attacks of any kind, because this is isiah's **** they have to clean up!
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5/11/2008  4:36 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by 4949:
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David Lee is never becoming an "NBA force" so you should probably start lowering your expectations.

Translation: 'I don't want David Lee to be good at anything. He might prove me wrong'.

Dude, you should be happy we have change now. And positive change at that. Most people on this board are speaking positive right now. That's what we wanted.

You don't represent most people. I'm pretty sure the public perception is split with not sure/happy/pissed. Either way, hat has nothing to do with David Lee. Again, David Lee is what he is. Maybe he gets a little better than what he is now but anyone expecting him to be Amare Stoudamire or something is smoking some serious stuff. Just because there is a "positive change" doesn't mean you are supposed to live in an alternate universe. The reality didn't change. Maybe for you but not for me.

Who's comparing him to Amare?
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5/11/2008  5:05 PM
Let's just say he wont be an NBA force. That's all I'll say.
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5/11/2008  5:07 PM
He'll average a double-double, that's pretty forceful.
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5/11/2008  5:11 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:

He'll average a double-double, that's pretty forceful.

He'll have to start to do that and who says he'll start?
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5/11/2008  5:14 PM
Posted by 4949:
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He'll average a double-double, that's pretty forceful.

He'll have to start to do that and who says he'll start?
Why wouldn't he? He's got the AA for what the coach wants to do and he's very productive.
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5/11/2008  5:17 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by 4949:
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He'll average a double-double, that's pretty forceful.

He'll have to start to do that and who says he'll start?
Why wouldn't he? He's got the AA for what the coach wants to do and he's very productive.

Totally.
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5/11/2008  5:28 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:

He'll average a double-double, that's pretty forceful.

Hasn't he already done that? The original poster is predicting he will be a star. I don't believe that is happening.
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5/11/2008  5:34 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He'll average a double-double, that's pretty forceful.

Hasn't he already done that? The original poster is predicting he will be a star. I don't believe that is happening.
Then we're just getting into the semantics of what a star is. Double-doubles are good, and fans do love him. He's not a superstar by any means, but he's a star at the Garden.

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5/11/2008  5:50 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He'll average a double-double, that's pretty forceful.

Hasn't he already done that? The original poster is predicting he will be a star. I don't believe that is happening.
Then we're just getting into the semantics of what a star is. Double-doubles are good, and fans do love him. He's not a superstar by any means, but he's a star at the Garden.

I already touched on those same exact points in the topic. So we're in agreement that he is a good player but never will be great for numerous reasons.
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5/11/2008  6:09 PM
Lee will do good if DAntoni eventually has our roster (whatever it may look like as time goes on) playing a style that involves lightning quick fast breaks. Balkman is another guy that could do well in the fast break scenario as there seems to be quite a few per game in a DAntoni type system.

There are a couple of players that will do well under DAntoni but none of them are our present starters to be perfectly honest.

Guys that could do well:

Nate
Lee
Balkman
Chandler
Jeffries (yes, even though he sucks, he'd do better and thats the point)


I know some might think that Q and Crawful would but low percentage shooters who also dont finish around the rim are NOT a good fit for the style of offense that Mike *MIGHT POTENTIALLY* install here in New York.

Curry, if in shape, and used how Chicago used him with those rolls to the basket in motion offense? Sure, he might do okay.

Zach? No. Again a stupid and-1 ball-holding motion-killing low-iq-chucker does NOT work well in DAntoni's style. Or anyones to be perfectly honest.

Malik, Marbury, Collins, James(lol), yeah, goners in the long run.

Morris is a complete unknown.... Jones is gone given we need the roster spot for the 08 pick.
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5/11/2008  8:53 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by GKFv2:

David Lee is never becoming an "NBA force" so you should probably start lowering your expectations.

Martin, please store this quote in the vault for two seasons... someone will be eating those words.


But come on he's not even on the level of Amare Stoudamire and Stoudamire plays some of the worst defense in the NBA.
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5/11/2008  8:56 PM
Lee will average 16 an 10 next year and play better defense. Not bad for a player drafted 30th. I hope people give MDA 3 years like they would have given the beloved Mark Jackson. This team needs to be blown up and it will take time. We have a proven winner, with a plan. Funny how you call Jackson, Ewing, Oakley, gods of basketball and MD has accomplished just as much as they have.
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5/11/2008  9:24 PM
I think Lee will improve a good deal under D'Antoni. I think a lot of his problem has been the total lack of any kind of gameplan for using him. Almost no touches, save for the rebounds he got. Not even close to enough post ups called for him. I don't know if any of you remember the few games where Isiah actually used Lee as a point forward and how good the team looked with Lee handling the ball? The guy makes good passes and quick decisions with the ball. This is a part of his game that has gone unused far too long.

I can envision D'Antoni making better use of the ball handling skills of guys like Lee and Balkman. The two of them rebound like no tomorrow and can handle the ball to start the break. There's no reason why they shouldn't be used more.

As for the roster, we all know it's bound to change and i'm sure Donnie and Mike talked about that extensively. It's no secret what kind of roster we have and what kind of coach Mike is. For the 1st time in a while we should have a cohesive front office, with the GM Making the right moves for the coach. That's the hope anyway.
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5/11/2008  9:51 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He'll average a double-double, that's pretty forceful.

Hasn't he already done that? The original poster is predicting he will be a star. I don't believe that is happening.
Then we're just getting into the semantics of what a star is. Double-doubles are good, and fans do love him. He's not a superstar by any means, but he's a star at the Garden.

I already touched on those same exact points in the topic. So we're in agreement that he is a good player but never will be great for numerous reasons.

I kind of lost track of who you guys are talking about exactly.
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5/11/2008  11:13 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

Lee will do good if DAntoni eventually has our roster (whatever it may look like as time goes on) playing a style that involves lightning quick fast breaks. Balkman is another guy that could do well in the fast break scenario as there seems to be quite a few per game in a DAntoni type system.

There are a couple of players that will do well under DAntoni but none of them are our present starters to be perfectly honest.

Guys that could do well:

Nate
Lee
Balkman
Chandler
Jeffries (yes, even though he sucks, he'd do better and thats the point)


I know some might think that Q and Crawful would but low percentage shooters who also dont finish around the rim are NOT a good fit for the style of offense that Mike *MIGHT POTENTIALLY* install here in New York.

Curry, if in shape, and used how Chicago used him with those rolls to the basket in motion offense? Sure, he might do okay.

Zach? No. Again a stupid and-1 ball-holding motion-killing low-iq-chucker does NOT work well in DAntoni's style. Or anyones to be perfectly honest.

Malik, Marbury, Collins, James(lol), yeah, goners in the long run.

Morris is a complete unknown.... Jones is gone given we need the roster spot for the 08 pick.

Agree with this. Except I think Crawford will be a big part of D'Antoni's plans. He's underrated by Knicks fans at this point. Craw is a very good player.
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5/12/2008  3:58 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

Agree with this. Except I think Crawford will be a big part of D'Antoni's plans. He's underrated by Knicks fans at this point. Craw is a very good player.

agreed.
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5/12/2008  7:35 AM
Posted by bitty41:
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Posted by GKFv2:

David Lee is never becoming an "NBA force" so you should probably start lowering your expectations.

Martin, please store this quote in the vault for two seasons... someone will be eating those words.


But come on he's not even on the level of Amare Stoudamire and Stoudamire plays some of the worst defense in the NBA.

Just wondering: Who do you think plays better defense: Zach or Amare?
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5/12/2008  8:05 AM
I love David Lee as much as the next guy but...

The Mayor has a measuarbly more fluid, handle-gifted, diverse, intelligent and intuitive skill-set to thrive under D'Antoni. Expect Lee to cameo at center, reprising the role of Amare Stoudamire, in the "run Forrest run" offense.

That takes care of two spots.
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5/12/2008  10:14 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by GKFv2:

David Lee is never becoming an "NBA force" so you should probably start lowering your expectations.

Martin, please store this quote in the vault for two seasons... someone will be eating those words.


But come on he's not even on the level of Amare Stoudamire and Stoudamire plays some of the worst defense in the NBA.

Just wondering: Who do you think plays better defense: Zach or Amare?

Amare. At least he tries and at least he rotates and will block a shot now and then. Zach is swine.
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