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loweyecue
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5/10/2008  7:23 PM
I would love to see Calderon, but Ford is good too. I have a feeling the Knicks will get some euro players under Walsh/D'Antoni
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djsunyc
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5/10/2008  8:05 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I think Luke Ridnour is an attainable player who could thrive in a system like this.

I know he has his flaws, and I have never been his biggest fan, but he will be cheap to acquire and he could make his mark playing in a more wide open style like this.

I think the one thing we know about Donnie Walsh is that it has often been his MO to acquire younger players who maybe have not had the opportunity to shine, but that certainly have the talent to do so in the right place. I think there are few players around the league that'll he'll be looking at, and this could very well be the way we can uncover our PG.

brought this up w/ a friend of mine the other day.

you might be able to get wilcox/ridnour for eddy/nate...
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5/10/2008  8:07 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by VDesai:

I think Luke Ridnour is an attainable player who could thrive in a system like this.

I know he has his flaws, and I have never been his biggest fan, but he will be cheap to acquire and he could make his mark playing in a more wide open style like this.

I think the one thing we know about Donnie Walsh is that it has often been his MO to acquire younger players who maybe have not had the opportunity to shine, but that certainly have the talent to do so in the right place. I think there are few players around the league that'll he'll be looking at, and this could very well be the way we can uncover our PG.

brought this up w/ a friend of mine the other day.

you might be able to get wilcox/ridnour for eddy/nate...

i never thought i'd say this - but is that really an upgrade?
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oohah
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5/10/2008  8:19 PM
I don't think Calderon is going anywhere. Ford is likely out of Toronto because of health problems.

Ford would be a very good player under D'Antoni, and the Raptors need a low-post presence. I posted a while back about moving Curry for Ford, but I would move Randolph for Ford as well.

And if Ford has to retire shortly after tantalizing us with his ability because of his neck/back trouble it would be par for the course as a Knicks fan.

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5/10/2008  8:28 PM
Posted by oohah:

I don't think Calderon is going anywhere. Ford is likely out of Toronto because of health problems.

Ford would be a very good player under D'Antoni, and the Raptors need a low-post presence. I posted a while back about moving Curry for Ford, but I would move Randolph for Ford as well.

And if Ford has to retire shortly after tantalizing us with his ability because of his neck/back trouble it would be par for the course as a Knicks fan.

oohah

they'll want Dlee, not Curry or Z-Ro.
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5/10/2008  8:46 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by oohah:

I don't think Calderon is going anywhere. Ford is likely out of Toronto because of health problems.

Ford would be a very good player under D'Antoni, and the Raptors need a low-post presence. I posted a while back about moving Curry for Ford, but I would move Randolph for Ford as well.

And if Ford has to retire shortly after tantalizing us with his ability because of his neck/back trouble it would be par for the course as a Knicks fan.

oohah

they'll want Dlee, not Curry or Z-Ro.

Sure they'll want Lee, but I doubt that will happen, and anyway, Lee doesn't fit the need the Raptors have: They don't have a center/pf who really wants to score from the blocks. Bosh prefers to shoot from outside as much as possible.

Ford's value is not as high as his talent and playing ability because of his injury problems and they have a PG controversy in Toronto.

I think Ford for Curry or Randolph (I prefer to lose Curry.) is a real possibility, I actually thought it might happen this off-season no mater what.

I think we might see 3 of these 4 players this next season: Ford/Marion/Randolph -- and maybe Artest?(Sacramento is where Lee would likely end up.) In other words, we would get as much talent as possible as soon as possible without regard for the fit.

If they can amass those players, the Knicks will be much improved record-wise, especially with Artest because he is actually close to franchise-level talent.

But that team would be a powder keg soaked in gasoline, and the media will be like a downed power line, whipping around throwing sparks!

And thatn team could not beat the real contenders like San Antonio or L.A., and probably not Boston or Detroit.

Than doesn't even take into account the fickle-impatient Knicks fan, or Dolan-pressure. D'Antoni has no idea what he is in for!

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5/10/2008  8:50 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by oohah:

I don't think Calderon is going anywhere. Ford is likely out of Toronto because of health problems.

Ford would be a very good player under D'Antoni, and the Raptors need a low-post presence. I posted a while back about moving Curry for Ford, but I would move Randolph for Ford as well.

And if Ford has to retire shortly after tantalizing us with his ability because of his neck/back trouble it would be par for the course as a Knicks fan.

oohah

they'll want Dlee, not Curry or Z-Ro.

Sure they'll want Lee, but I doubt that will happen, and anyway, Lee doesn't fit the need the Raptors have: They don't have a center/pf who really wants to score from the blocks. Bosh prefers to shoot from outside as much as possible.

Ford's value is not as high as his talent and playing ability because of his injury problems and they have a PG controversy in Toronto.

I think Ford for Curry or Randolph (I prefer to lose Curry.) is a real possibility, I actually thought it might happen this off-season no mater what.

I think we might see 3 of these 4 players this next season: Ford/Marion/Randolph -- and maybe Artest?(Sacramento is where Lee would likely end up.) In other words, we would get as much talent as possible as soon as possible without regard for the fit.

If they can amass those players, the Knicks will be much improved record-wise, especially with Artest because he is actually close to franchise-level talent.

But that team would be a powder keg soaked in gasoline, and the media will be like a downed power line, whipping around throwing sparks!

And thatn team could not beat the real contenders like San Antonio or L.A., and probably not Boston or Detroit.

Than doesn't even take into account the fickle-impatient Knicks fan, or Dolan-pressure. D'Antoni has no idea what he is in for!

oohah

wow, man. that's a whole lotta speculation there. i don't think walsh or d'antoni would be interested in artest - he doesn't fit d'antoni's system and walsh has dealt with artest's idiocy before. i don't think Marion would come here for anything - we have zero to trade miami and if he opts out we cant afford to sign him. not sure what randolph you are refering to.

tj ford may come here, but it won't be for curry or Zbo. it will most likely be lee. remember that Bryan Colangelo is calling the shots in toronto. he will not trade for freaking eddy or Zro.
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5/10/2008  9:08 PM
wow, man. that's a whole lotta speculation there. i don't think walsh or d'antoni would be interested in artest - he doesn't fit d'antoni's system and walsh has dealt with artest's idiocy before. i don't think Marion would come here for anything - we have zero to trade miami and if he opts out we cant afford to sign him. not sure what randolph you are refering to.

tj ford may come here, but it won't be for curry or Zbo. it will most likely be lee. remember that Bryan Colangelo is calling the shots in toronto. he will not trade for freaking eddy or Zro.

Bro, 98% of everything that is posted here is speculation, I bolded the speculative portion of your post above.

But you have to look at the way things are developing and what has been talked about in the past, and couple that with the our knowledge of how the Dolan Knicks operate.

We have nothing to trade Miami? This is the Knicks we are talking about! The Knicks have a PG with a huge expiring contract and a draft pick, don't they? Rose has a big expiring doesn't he? Doesn't Miami need a PG/cap flexibility? Don't we trade away our picks and flexibility historically? Maybe they would be interested in one of our front-court scorers since Miami does not have one?

We know the Knicks want to land stars to put butts in the seats, and we know that Sacramento has had serious interest in Lee, and we know that they have been very close to trading Artest recently.

We know that D'Antoni wants to play a running style, and we know that Curry and Randolph are not running players, and we know that Ford and Marion are running players.

Does Walsh want Artest? I don't know, maybe he does or maybe he doesn't, after all, he traded for him in the first place didn't he? More importantly, does Dolan want Artest?

We know that the Raptors have a PG controversy and we know they need a low-post presence. Does that mean that Ford is definitely gone? No, but I think he is probably moving on, don't you? Getting Curry or Randolph is low-risk for them, it wouldn't be like they were trading their only PG. Curry would probably be a better fit with them than Randolph and Calderon maybe able to feed him properly. Curry would not be under the pressure of being "the man" either.

I'm not saying they wouldn't want lee, I just think that Walsh won't give him up for Ford. I speculate that Walsh will want more than Ford for Lee.

Hey, you may be right, we may not get any of those guys. I am saying I wouldn't be surprised if we see them or similar-types of moves to give the appearance of progress, even if it is a short-term boost.

Keep your eyes out for Nachbar and Krstic, I bet they are on Walsh's radar. I do like Krstic, and I believe he is a free agent this year.

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5/10/2008  10:34 PM
I don't like the idea of trading for a player like Ford who can't stay healthy. Calderon isn't going anywhere. Hopefully we'll get a pg in the draft.
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5/10/2008  11:39 PM
Posted by Ira:

I don't like the idea of trading for a player like Ford who can't stay healthy. Calderon isn't going anywhere. Hopefully we'll get a pg in the draft.

Ira, I'm not talking about like or dislike, I am talking about the kinds of moves likely to happen. Unless D'Antoni changes his philosophy, Ford is the kind of guard he wants/needs. He will want a fast-breaking PG to push the ball so the Knicks can score as fast as possible.

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5/10/2008  11:43 PM
i don't think colangelo will do business with a team in the same conference...nor would walsh...

last in division trade was vince to nj and babdick got raped on that one...
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5/10/2008  11:50 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't think colangelo will do business with a team in the same conference...nor would walsh...

last in division trade was vince to nj
and babdick got raped on that one...

Ford for Villanueva?

oohah



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5/10/2008  11:58 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't think colangelo will do business with a team in the same conference...nor would walsh...

last in division trade was vince to nj
and babdick got raped on that one...

Ford for Villanueva?

oohah

conference...not division...
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5/11/2008  11:10 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't think colangelo will do business with a team in the same conference...nor would walsh...

last in division trade was vince to nj
and babdick got raped on that one...

Ford for Villanueva?

oohah

conference...not division...

You double-talked me on that one DJ. You wrote conference first then slipped in division...nice!

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
Now lets try and get Calderon

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