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nyk4ever
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5/8/2008  1:06 AM
One thing is for certain though.. Derrick Rose is the absolute best PG to run D'Antoni's system. That would be quite the combo.
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5/8/2008  1:07 AM
Posted by islesfan:
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This move has Isiah and Dolan written all over it. Of course that's understandable since Walsh is Dolan's new front man and Isiah is his <cough> trusted consultant.

Overspending to get someone who doesn't fit here, when he'd rather go someplace else but can't say no to the money, is the same crap that's been going on here since Isiah got here. Not coincidentally, Isiah's grand plan was to make the Knicks the Phoenix Suns of the East. If Isiah had his wish, D'Antoni would be his choice as head coach. Isiah's continued presence couldn't be felt any stronger.

D'Antoni's system works if you have a Steve Nash at the point running things and athletic freaks like Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire to run with. It's not easy getting those kinds of players. Even then, when it comes to the playoffs and things slow down to half court, D'Antoni's style doesn't win because they don't execute well in the half court.

I want to win championships, not be entertaining enough to sell tickets and lose in the 2nd rd every year. But then again, that's what Dolan wants and Walsh is his puppet. Like I said, this move has Isiah and Dolan written all over it.


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LOL well as far as it being in the books so-to-speak I did.
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5/8/2008  1:09 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:



LOL well as far as it being in the books so-to-speak I did.

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5/8/2008  1:10 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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I don't know if this is true and certianly I would not *get it* unless they want Dantoni to try to help create what Phoenix had over the next few years. But he was not responsible for creating the team--colangelo was.

I guess one would assume that D'Antoni knows what kind of players he needs to have run his system and my guess is that Walsh would be sticking to that plan and looking for those players. Yes it would take a few years to get those guys, but this roster has to be gutted anyway.

Who knows. A team that lacked a true discpline on defense is bringing in a guy who doesnt value defense as a high priority and worse--our roster does not compliment his style of coaching one bit. We'll have to sit back and see. This is not like a Pat riley on the market--yet if this article is true it sounds like they holding him in that regard.
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5/8/2008  1:11 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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LOL well as far as it being in the books so-to-speak I did.

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5/8/2008  1:30 AM
While Paxson is said to like D'Antoni personally and value his offensive coaching skills, D'Antoni's reputation as a lesser defensive coach is giving Paxson pause.

D'Antoni also routinely limited practice time with a veteran—and superstar-laden—Suns team. That's not to say D'Antoni couldn't change if he took over the league's youngest team in the Bulls, which his camp has stressed is his desire.

R we sure IT is not behind any of this? Didnt he want to create Suns NY SSOL?

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-080507-chicago-bulls-dantoni-paxson-johnson,1,6690222.story
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5/8/2008  7:48 AM
terrible move.. going and getting a guy from a program with one of the highest winning %s in recent years is ridiculous. I mean where is the credibility?
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5/8/2008  8:00 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

true enough true blue. i do think, however, that if they offer d'antoni a big enough amount he'll wait until the lottery to see if the knicks can get rose to run his offense. wouldn't be surprised if he took less and went to the bulls anyway, keep in mind this is a guy who on april fool's day told barbosa he got traded to the knicks and barbosa started crying. he obviously doesn't hold us in high regard.

trueblue, how will this organization never learn? why not offer d'antoni a lot of $$$ he's definitely the best coach on the market and literally the only asset the knicks have is dolan's deep pockets.

Did that really happen? That must have been hilarious. Not good if your a Knicks fan, but funny all the same.

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5/8/2008  8:03 AM
I think this team needs to be built up on defensive principles. A coach like Avery Johnson would be a better fit. Why overpay for D'antoni when this team is not going to win more than 35-40 games no matter who the coach is?
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5/8/2008  8:05 AM
question

Why does everyone assume Mike D can only coach a running team?
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5/8/2008  8:46 AM
Posted by fishmike:

terrible move.. going and getting a guy from a program with one of the highest winning %s in recent years is ridiculous. I mean where is the credibility?

Finally a voice of reason. This is a guy who won over 60% of is games and has posted wins of 62, 54, 61, and 55 over the last 4 years. He lost in the playoffs to the Spurs who went on to win the Championship in 3 of the 4 years they got beat. If not for Horry's bush league play, the Suns (the non defensive Suns I might add) would have won the championship last year.

This guy is a winner. Regardless if you like his style or not. And this notion that Nash should get all the credit for that system D Antoni installed is B.S. If thats the case, Byron Scott needs to turn over his two coach of the year awards to Chris Paul and Jason Kidd. Phil Jackson obviously is a fruad. I mean, what did he win without MJ, Kobe and Shaq?

Typical hate everything, the sky is falling, Isiah is still involved, conspiracy theory responses. For the record, Walsh wanted to hire D Antoni to join Isiahs staff in Indiana. So maybe, just maybe, Walsh can think on his own. I mean, the guy does have over 30 yrs BB experience so maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Edited by - uptown on 05-08-2008 08:49 AM]
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5/8/2008  8:50 AM
While this event does not jive with current roster, is it not a model for the future of our franchise to have?

And can it not be said that by hiring D'antoni does that automatically mean we hit the glass ceiling? Its funny that many expect D'antoni to repeat his history and thats it!

He could have learned along the way and will adapt.

It can also be said that perhaps he was missing one or two pieces all along, or that the Spurs were just better then they. Joe Frazier had Ali, Knicks had the bulls, the Baltimore Bullets had the Knicks, the Jazz had the bulls, etc. It happens.

We are so far from achieving what the suns have done the last few years I would not wig out from Mike being the coach.

There are so many intagables to a teams success that it would be crazy to say this guy is not desireable because he got beat by the eventual champs last year, and bounced this year by the same Spurs.

Only one guy has the cred to be totally starphuch proof and thats Phil Jax whom despite his many rings does not get enough credit in my eyes. Ok, maybe Pop also.

Mike D could create a good product that is fun to watch.

Im not convinced Dolan really cares about championships as much as ratings. Once we start knocking on the conf finals doors will I start being critical if after a few tries we don't advance.

Mark Jax has done nothing. He is the Obama like choice. WE all like him, ,like his potential and that he is local. But Mike D' has a proven style that has worked abroad and in the NBA.

I like Avery a lot but I am not sure he can get thru the thick skull players we have. HIs strenght is in Defense and playing tough.

Im sure the guy would prefer the Bulls roster but if your talking a 4 year contract thats 24 vs 16 million, or 50% more!!!!! Thats a lot of coin!
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5/8/2008  10:22 AM
I tend think back to when the Knicks brought Riley in - I'm not comparing the level of talent nor do I expect the same kind of near term performance- but if you can get D'Antoni & he is willing to suffer here & has the support of Walsh, then I don't understand how you can't like the move.

But the expectations have to be reasonable and that must be communicated by Walsh- I hope.
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5/8/2008  10:33 AM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by fishmike:

terrible move.. going and getting a guy from a program with one of the highest winning %s in recent years is ridiculous. I mean where is the credibility?

Finally a voice of reason. This is a guy who won over 60% of is games and has posted wins of 62, 54, 61, and 55 over the last 4 years. He lost in the playoffs to the Spurs who went on to win the Championship in 3 of the 4 years they got beat. If not for Horry's bush league play, the Suns (the non defensive Suns I might add) would have won the championship last year.

This guy is a winner. Regardless if you like his style or not.
[Edited by - uptown on 05-08-2008 08:49 AM]

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5/8/2008  10:59 AM
I'm with Franco and Fishmike on this. I'd have no problem with hiring D'antoni(at a reasonable cost-high cost may affect buyout decisions) as long as the expectations are reasonable. Without proper expectations and support you are looking at another LB situation. With proper patience and the building of a philosophy there is no reason to beleive we can't build a winner with him here. He's already proven he can win. The key is, can he learn from his shortcomings.
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5/8/2008  11:03 AM
Posted by franco12:

I tend think back to when the Knicks brought Riley in - I'm not comparing the level of talent nor do I expect the same kind of near term performance- but if you can get D'Antoni & he is willing to suffer here & has the support of Walsh, then I don't understand how you can't like the move.But the expectations have to be reasonable and that must be communicated by Walsh- I hope.

For the life of me, I can't understand why people keep saying that D'Antoni can't implement his style with this team. Of course he can't. Nobody can win with this band of odd parts that Isiah has assembled! The idea is to get a coach in here, like D'Antoni, then over time, you get him the pieces he needs. This rings true for Avery Johnson/Mark Jackson as well.

At least D'Antoni brings an identity with him. You know exactly what you need fit into his style. Having a D'Antoni from the jump would have prevented us from making dumb moves like the Curry and Randolph trade. Obviously these guys wouldn't work with what D'Antoni wants to do. But the guys who would thrive in his system are the ones you target. WoW! A Plan would be in place for once. Who knew.

[Edited by - uptown on 05-08-2008 11:05 AM]
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5/8/2008  11:04 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm with Franco and Fishmike on this. I'd have no problem with hiring D'antoni(at a reasonable cost-high cost may affect buyout decisions) as long as the expectations are reasonable. Without proper expectations and support you are looking at another LB situation. With proper patience and the building of a philosophy there is no reason to beleive we can't build a winner with him here. He's already proven he can win. The key is, can he learn from his shortcomings.

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5/8/2008  11:14 AM
If anyone thinks little avery can handle new york your out of your ****ing mind. That guy will go home and cry at night, not the market for him he needs to go someplace where he isn't the center of attention.

I love Mike as a coach, it's not really his fault the suns have been run poorly and have been letting top tier talent go, selling off draft selections and trying to win with 6 players.

However, there is no way he comes here the bulls have a great team of talent and players with not to mention 4-5 players that play defense in that rotation; he will go there and they will become one of the best teams in the east next year.

You don't need to pay a coach big money and then fire him, because thats likely whats going to happen here. The Knicks don't have talent, they don't have players, they don't have brains. Frankly Scott Layden's frontcourt of Dice, Thomas, and Zeke would probably do a number on our frontcourt now outside of lee. And KVH would probably be more productive than Q.

Bring in Jackson let him learn, be a work in progress. Marbury is going to have a huge year, he is playing for a contract if they can get rid of jamal and eddy i think they can probably make good progress. Give Balkman some time, play chandler, get a decent medical staff, condition the players or suspend them. Add some professionalism and see what happens
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5/8/2008  11:15 AM
Posted by fishmike:

question

Why does everyone assume Mike D can only coach a running team?

I don't know, but I do know this, he was eliminated by the spurs 3 times.. One they suffered a huge injury to Joe Johnson, the other, the questionable suspensions did them in.... I mean is there any shame losing to the spurs? I don't think so...

The suns over the past 3 years won 170+ games.. the knicks roughly 82... LOL..

Yea, we don't need a coach like this....
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5/8/2008  11:27 AM
Posted by tkf:

I don't know, but I do know this, he was eliminated by the spurs 3 times.. One they suffered a huge injury to Joe Johnson, the other, the questionable suspensions did them in.... I mean is there any shame losing to the spurs? I don't think so...

The suns over the past 3 years won 170+ games.. the knicks roughly 82... LOL..

Yea, we don't need a coach like this....

Not like we have anything more to lose at this point anyway.

We've won 79 games, BTW.

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