Posted by martin:

Posted by bitty41:

Why does the government need to help individuals make basic decisions? You can choose to NOT commit a crime--why blame the government? It's time for African Americans and Latino Americans to make better decisions as individuals and communities --they need leaders who will say we hurt ourselves by these actions instead of guys like Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright who want to blame everything and everyone else and promoting more hate/crime. How about a Jeremiah Wright stand up and say we must not pick up guns--we must not commit crime against ourselves--we must help the police and help the communities to bring law and order so our kids can walk to school without fear of a bullet.

Firstly, Briggs your prejudiced and I mean in the sense that you have in your mind how certain held beliefs for blacks and Latinos. And you take your own held beliefs and apply that to entire race of people. If you know your history at all you will see that in this country's poor groups whether it was the Irish, Italians, Eastern Europeans etc usually have/had a higher crime rate. So its not about the race of people Briggs its about the economics. If you look at middle class Black or Latino neighborhoods you will most likely see a lower crime rate, higher rate of education, etc. So after you drop all your assumptions about black and Latinos then you could maybe move into a comprehensive discussion about the relations between race/crime/economics.

right now which groups of communities and/or race hold the lowest economic status?

That isn't being debated but what is: equating race with crime when in reality crime is linked moreso with economic status.

Posted by izybx:

Of course I wouldnt kick someone who wasnt detained. Im just saying that I really dont feel bad for them. They are being charged with attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder. These arent average citizens. These are garbage. The officers were stupid for beating them. Do what you got to do to get the cuffs on and then it stops. Thats the rules and everybody knows it. Im sure there will be suspensions and terminations, and thats what the officers deserve. Playa, why dont you do some research and find out about the person they just tried to murder?

Posted by GKFv2:

Once again izy is going out of his way to defend police like it's his family. I don't care if you worked for the police before or still do, most of them are egomaniacal pieces of crap who wear a badge so they can abuse their power. I've witnessed this firsthand and I am white. There are good cops out there and I'm not saying they are all evil or anything but there many who are jackasses and a lot of them reside in the undercover and narcotics sections.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by bitty41:

Why does the government need to help individuals make basic decisions? You can choose to NOT commit a crime--why blame the government? It's time for African Americans and Latino Americans to make better decisions as individuals and communities --they need leaders who will say we hurt ourselves by these actions instead of guys like Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright who want to blame everything and everyone else and promoting more hate/crime. How about a Jeremiah Wright stand up and say we must not pick up guns--we must not commit crime against ourselves--we must help the police and help the communities to bring law and order so our kids can walk to school without fear of a bullet.

Firstly, Briggs your prejudiced and I mean in the sense that you have in your mind how certain held beliefs for blacks and Latinos. And you take your own held beliefs and apply that to entire race of people. If you know your history at all you will see that in this country's poor groups whether it was the Irish, Italians, Eastern Europeans etc usually have/had a higher crime rate. So its not about the race of people Briggs its about the economics. If you look at middle class Black or Latino neighborhoods you will most likely see a lower crime rate, higher rate of education, etc. So after you drop all your assumptions about black and Latinos then you could maybe move into a comprehensive discussion about the relations between race/crime/economics.

Not about me or prejudice racism hate etc.. I think the facts speak for themselves. Economic conditions are not an excuse to pick up a gun and fire it at another human being--that is individual choice. I give Barack Obama a lot of credit--he gets it and I'm glad he's going to be President. He will be a great role model to young minorities and I'm hopeful that his personality and character transcend racial tolerance and understanding to all people.

You don't get it; the point is this very simply:

Being black or latino does not make you more prone to violence and crime At no point was I trying to justfy criminal behavior. But rather just pointing out to you, since you are unable to distinguish: being of a particular racial make-up does not make your more prone to crime; econmic conditions are at the center of "cause/effect between higher crime rates with different ethnic groups.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 05-08-2008 9:45 PM]

[Edited by - bitty41 on 05-08-2008 10:20 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by GKFv2:

Once again izy is going out of his way to defend police like it's his family. I don't care if you worked for the police before or still do, most of them are egomaniacal pieces of crap who wear a badge so they can abuse their power. I've witnessed this firsthand and I am white. There are good cops out there and I'm not saying they are all evil or anything but there many who are jackasses and a lot of them reside in the undercover and narcotics sections.

There are always going to be bad people in every job. I read what you posted about your brother mouthing off in a low class way---I would've jacked him up to. Don't blame the cop.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by izybx:

Of course I wouldnt kick someone who wasnt detained. Im just saying that I really dont feel bad for them. They are being charged with attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder. These arent average citizens. These are garbage. The officers were stupid for beating them. Do what you got to do to get the cuffs on and then it stops. Thats the rules and everybody knows it. Im sure there will be suspensions and terminations, and thats what the officers deserve. Playa, why dont you do some research and find out about the person they just tried to murder?

First off what you are saying is not quite what the police are saying here http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=6471505&version=1&locale=EN-US
Second there was no weapon found.
Third, murderer or not there is no way police are allowed to do this type of thing, these guys are suspects, they are not convicted of anything there was no weapon, none of that. If you support this you are basically saying the police can feel free to do what they like if they think you've done some really bad things. Totally unacceptable. I love how you have convicted them already. You are really objective about these police things, i tell ya.

Posted by EnySpree:

Briggs you gotta cut the crazy analogies.....you are right about the community needs to stand up for themselves, but the extra stuiff you say makes me wanna call Al Sharpton on your ass.

Anyway, this **** is just ****ed up. Its just more of the same.......if you are a cop and are gonna be scared of doing crime fighting then take the transit, sanitation, fireman or postal test instead.

No way is that **** right. No way can you say the cops are stressed out so its justified. No way you can say its ok since the dudes are black and in a bad neighborhood, **** happens. No way man.....especially when the dust settles and the guys are totally innocent. Crazy man.....

Its ****ed up all around but the cops can't go around thinking they can do anything they want......if any of us think that's ok....in less than 10 years we all will be in a concentration camp getting barcodes on our necks cuz the goverment is scared somebody is gonna do something. Power is in the people, but you can't let puss make you give up that power to the establishment.....I'm telling you man....barcodes mofo.

Posted by playa2:

Was it a community issue when the mob was going around capping each other in city streets?

Which movie are you talking about?

Posted by izybx:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by GKFv2:

Once again izy is going out of his way to defend police like it's his family. I don't care if you worked for the police before or still do, most of them are egomaniacal pieces of crap who wear a badge so they can abuse their power. I've witnessed this firsthand and I am white. There are good cops out there and I'm not saying they are all evil or anything but there many who are jackasses and a lot of them reside in the undercover and narcotics sections.

There are always going to be bad people in every job. I read what you posted about your brother mouthing off in a low class way---I would've jacked him up to. Don't blame the cop.

Gimme an f'in break. The guy is a cop, not a regular dude on the street. He's the one that searched a vehicle in front of my own house and acted like a jackass, not my brother. I already said it wasn't the smartest thing to say but that doesn't excuse the actions that followed. He didn't deserve to go through all that(the case was dismissed without seeing a judge) because of one one phrase. Let me reiterate: A GOOD PERCENTAGE of cops are pricks.

End of f'in story. Stop with the defense of these fools.

BTW, I thought this before the incident so the incident doesn't make me think that.

I didnt go out of my way to defend these cops. I said they were wrong, and I also said I dont give a **** about the ATT. MURDER SUSPECTS that got their asses kicked. And if the fact is you have no idea what those cops were searching your brothers car for, so your brother shouldnt have run his mouth. He got what he deserved, you tell a cop to lick your balls then you get hit with disorderly conduct, end of story. And perhaps a GOOD PERCENTAGE of the cops YOU deal with are pricks is because YOU act like a prick. You get what you give, and if your anything like your perp brother I bet you run your mouth the same way. Try acting respectful and friendly and I think youll find that just like any other type pf person a police officer will reciprocate.