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islesfan
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5/6/2008  3:12 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:

This would be a good move for a rebuilding team. An established coach, coming from a winning team, probably wouldn't want to go through a complete roster overhaul where lots of losses are pretty much guaranteed.

An inexperienced coach can come in and learn on the job, with no pressure to win now. He can grow with the team and if he doesn't work out, they can always hire an established coach when the team is rebuilt and ready to start competing.

I really didn't want D'Antoni or Avery and I think Thibodeau is the type that makes a much better top assistant than head coach. I'd love to see him come to NY and be Jackson's top assistant, I think they would make a great team. Jackson will definitely need at least 1 very good X's and O's coach though. What's Dick Harter doing nowadays?

player development is key here for the next 2 years. in this regard, donnie walsh is putting on a blindfold and throwing darts...

Yes and no. His assistants will be key. Plus I'm not going to say that Jackson can't be a positive when it comes to player development. At a minimum, he'll be very helpful for whatever young PG they bring in. But I do agree that player development will be key for the next 2-4 years.
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5/6/2008  3:20 PM
I saw that Avery Johnson is meeting with Donnie today so we'll see.
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5/6/2008  3:59 PM
I think Avery's a bit too country for NYC and won't be able to handle it. Didn't he have problems with the Dallas media?

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5/6/2008  4:24 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Doc Rivers had zero experience when he took over Orlando.



[Edited by - uptown on 05-06-2008 4:28 PM]
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5/6/2008  4:25 PM
Doc Rivers isn't really a good coach.
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5/6/2008  4:25 PM
I have no problem bringing in a young coach. The roster needs to be fixed before any coach has any chance of winning here. By the time the necessary changes are made so that a coach can be successful we will have had plenty of time to evaluate MJ. If he is failing we should be in position to hire the best available and be able to deal from a position of strength instead of our current position of weakness.
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5/6/2008  4:30 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Doc Rivers isn't really a good coach.

Thats not really the point but to refute your point, he did win coach of the year with a depleted Orlando team and he guided the Celts to a 66 win season when he was supposed to do so. Its alot easier to fall on your face with high expectations than it is to exceed them. I didn't think that Celt team was capable of winning that many games. Give him credit.
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5/6/2008  4:47 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

looks like walsh also values the 2009 draft...

He better. IMO it will be the most important draft of this current transition. I think Beasley and probably Mayo are the only players in this yr's draft who are without question true Franchise Superstar talent, the other players are in the mold of very good 2nd Tier talent. This yr's draft will have depth. I feel next yr's draft may produce 3-5 Franchise caliber players in the Top 10 and I think we'll have a better chance of obtaining another first rounder for the 2009 draft vs this summer's draft. First time coaches usually don't fair well and if our roster remains in tact for the most part Jackson is sure to fail his first yr, but not to his fault. I'm hoping for about 20-25wins next yr with the hope most games we play are competitive and our players increase their trade value to be sent packing by the deadline or over the next summer. I know this will be very difficult to do without winning more games, but hey it is what it is. Then set up the summer of 09' with major chess moves.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-06-2008 4:50 PM]
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5/6/2008  5:04 PM
Posted by fishmike:

who cares? The best coaching job we have seen in the last 6 years was from Don Chaney.

Lets rebuild this roster

I would've said Lenny Wilkins.
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5/6/2008  7:02 PM
We are screwed. Isiah was bad but Jackson is going to be even worse than Isiah as coachyou guys are ok with this. Someone start the fire Walsh web site.
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5/6/2008  7:04 PM
Posted by Vmart:

We are screwed. Isiah was bad but Jackson is going to be even worse than Isiah as coachyou guys are ok with this. Someone start the fire Walsh web site.

We are not making the playoffs anyway so if you thought Avery or anyone else would make us a good team you are wrong.
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5/6/2008  7:07 PM
Posted by Vmart:

We are screwed. Isiah was bad but Jackson is going to be even worse than Isiah as coachyou guys are ok with this. Someone start the fire Walsh web site.

Why is Jackson so bad? Give some examples.
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Vmart:

We are screwed. Isiah was bad but Jackson is going to be even worse than Isiah as coachyou guys are ok with this. Someone start the fire Walsh web site.

Why is Jackson so bad? Give some examples.

I can't think of a better time for an organization to give a shot to a first time coach. There is a 90% chance the next coach will fail with this roster anyway. So what is the problem? The concern should be Walsh's philosophy and the next GM.
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5/6/2008  7:22 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Vmart:

We are screwed. Isiah was bad but Jackson is going to be even worse than Isiah as coachyou guys are ok with this. Someone start the fire Walsh web site.

Why is Jackson so bad? Give some examples.

I can't think of a better time for an organization to give a shot to a first time coach. There is a 90% chance the next coach will fail with this roster anyway. So what is the problem? The concern should be Walsh's philosophy and the next GM.

I agree Bip. I know it's really hard to say "I know so and so is going to be a good coach" when you're basing it on pretty much nothing, but with Mark, I feel like with the way he played the game and the way he broadcasts, the guy knows what he's talking about. Now obviously that doesn't necessarily mean that he's going to be able to get his point across to his players, but I don't think it'll be a problem. It's evident that players like him with the way he was often treated by the players of the game he was calling, most of the they were joking around with him after made shots running up the court and what not and I don't think relating to these problems is going to be much of a problem for Jax.

I think it's a solid choice and as you said, we're going to suck for a few years anyway so why not bring in a rookie coach to get his feet wet and see what he can do. There is no better time to bring in a coach than right now because of the fact that theres no expectations. Mark can just focus on learning the game from the coaches perspective and we'll see where we're at 2 or 3 years from now with him. This is a win-win.
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5/6/2008  7:22 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

looks like walsh also values the 2009 draft...

He better. IMO it will be the most important draft of this current transition. I think Beasley and probably Mayo are the only players in this yr's draft who are without question true Franchise Superstar talent, the other players are in the mold of very good 2nd Tier talent. This yr's draft will have depth. I feel next yr's draft may produce 3-5 Franchise caliber players in the Top 10 and I think we'll have a better chance of obtaining another first rounder for the 2009 draft vs this summer's draft. First time coaches usually don't fair well and if our roster remains in tact for the most part Jackson is sure to fail his first yr, but not to his fault. I'm hoping for about 20-25wins next yr with the hope most games we play are competitive and our players increase their trade value to be sent packing by the deadline or over the next summer. I know this will be very difficult to do without winning more games, but hey it is what it is. Then set up the summer of 09' with major chess moves.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-06-2008 4:50 PM]

IMHO that's exactly what we need for next year. Jackson won't be expected to get wins, just keep the ship steady and pointed in the right direction. Hopefully by the end of next season, we'll have enough of an idea about whether it makes sense to keep MJax on board for the following season.

Byron Scott did pretty much the same thing in New Orleans and he had only a few seasons on NJ's bench as an assistant. He's another guy Donnie Walsh thought would make a good coach.
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5/6/2008  7:23 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Vmart:

We are screwed. Isiah was bad but Jackson is going to be even worse than Isiah as coachyou guys are ok with this. Someone start the fire Walsh web site.

We are not making the playoffs anyway so if you thought Avery or anyone else would make us a good team you are wrong.

You people are nuts every year is a god damn seperate entity. I don't want to lose anymore, and screw this build for the long haul crap that you guys want that process is already underway(we have young players here). Under Isiah the team lacked direction and player didn't respect him. The players the Knicks have are disrespectful to everyone thats just the way they are. But don't come here to tell me the KNicks aren't making the playoffs next year so its ok if Jackson F's around with the team for the next three years until LeBron gets here BS. That just might a huge pipe dream on our parts. You want to instill direction ASAP no matter who the personell is. Mark Jackson does not command the respect of anyone with his coaching credentials the players are gonna laugh in his face, we already have a bunch of clowns on the team. Thats why you have to get a coach in here that commands the respect of the players, a person who knows what he is doing, this is a huge mistake that just threw the organization back 5-6 years.
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5/6/2008  7:27 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Vmart:

We are screwed. Isiah was bad but Jackson is going to be even worse than Isiah as coachyou guys are ok with this. Someone start the fire Walsh web site.

We are not making the playoffs anyway so if you thought Avery or anyone else would make us a good team you are wrong.

You people are nuts every year is a god damn seperate entity. I don't want to lose anymore, and screw this build for the long haul crap that you guys want that process is already underway(we have young players here). Under Isiah the team lacked direction and player didn't respect him. The players the Knicks have are disrespectful to everyone thats just the way they are. But don't come here to tell me the KNicks aren't making the playoffs next year so its ok if Jackson F's around with the team for the next three years until LeBron gets here BS. That just might a huge pipe dream on our parts. You want to instill direction ASAP no matter who the personell is. Mark Jackson does not command the respect of anyone with his coaching credentials the players are gonna laugh in his face, we already have a bunch of clowns on the team. Thats why you have to get a coach in here that commands the respect of the players, a person who knows what he is doing, this is a huge mistake that just threw the organization back 5-6 years.

What are you talking about? The players didnt respect Larry Brown or Lenny Wilkens, two of the most respected coaches in the league. It's not about respect, it's about having a plan with regard to personnel that compliments each other.

If you think we are making the playoffs next year or the that the principal disrespectful players will be here, I think you should settle down - we aren't and they won't be.
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5/6/2008  7:28 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Vmart:

We are screwed. Isiah was bad but Jackson is going to be even worse than Isiah as coachyou guys are ok with this. Someone start the fire Walsh web site.

Why is Jackson so bad? Give some examples.

I can't think of a better time for an organization to give a shot to a first time coach. There is a 90% chance the next coach will fail with this roster anyway. So what is the problem? The concern should be Walsh's philosophy and the next GM.

This is going to taint your analysis of the current players. You are going to think that they are bad when reality the coaching might be worse.
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5/6/2008  8:09 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

looks like walsh also values the 2009 draft...

He better. IMO it will be the most important draft of this current transition. I think Beasley and probably Mayo are the only players in this yr's draft who are without question true Franchise Superstar talent, the other players are in the mold of very good 2nd Tier talent. This yr's draft will have depth. I feel next yr's draft may produce 3-5 Franchise caliber players in the Top 10 and I think we'll have a better chance of obtaining another first rounder for the 2009 draft vs this summer's draft. First time coaches usually don't fair well and if our roster remains in tact for the most part Jackson is sure to fail his first yr, but not to his fault. I'm hoping for about 20-25wins next yr with the hope most games we play are competitive and our players increase their trade value to be sent packing by the deadline or over the next summer. I know this will be very difficult to do without winning more games, but hey it is what it is. Then set up the summer of 09' with major chess moves.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-06-2008 4:50 PM]

IMHO that's exactly what we need for next year. Jackson won't be expected to get wins, just keep the ship steady and pointed in the right direction. Hopefully by the end of next season, we'll have enough of an idea about whether it makes sense to keep MJax on board for the following season.

Byron Scott did pretty much the same thing in New Orleans and he had only a few seasons on NJ's bench as an assistant. He's another guy Donnie Walsh thought would make a good coach.


I'm serious and I'm saying this under the condition if we get or don't get the number 1 or 2 pick in this yr's draft. 09' IS THE TIME that's my slogan.
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5/6/2008  8:42 PM
I think it would be fine for Jackson, so long as he has an experienced coach with Knicks history to assist him. The perfect man is already with the organization - Isiah Thomas.

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