However, I dont think you can say with certainty that Mark isn't coaching material. Has he paid any dues? No. But there's a chance he will turn into a tremendous coach. We wont know until he is given a chance.

Speaking of mind sets, this is another unnecessary chance we'll be taking. We need to end experimentation with this ball club. Putting Brown together with suckbury was a miserable experiment and we paid dearly for it. Big stupid looking cheeseburger curry is another waste of life on the court. The one hundred million dollar man, Houston was yet another failed attempt at the fine art of taking a chance. The chance of going tiny in Nate and not seriously improving the defense on this team was yet another failed experiment.

I mean just how many times are we going to take a chance, to assume that someone is going to be great, without ever having to have proved a damn thing? isiah, curry, suckbury, jerome, houston and how many other experiments that failed on this club, how much proof do we need that it doesn't work?

What's it gonna take to make everyone realize that you have to go after brass, coaches and players who have proven solid that they are worth all of their weight and gold? Of all of the foolish moves made in the last ten years (experiments) and all of the missed opportunities that have gone through our fingers, like a loose out of bounds ball, after who knows how many millions wasted, we have absolutely nothing to show for it. It's a complete disgrace in modern day sports.

And if it were my' business, each and everyone would be fired on the spot, including dolan, who doesn't deserve a capital letter anymore.

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Posted by 4949:

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It seems like all these names (Johnson, Carlise, Mitchell, etc) being on some supposed list are just cosmetic. It was Jacksons job from the day Walsh was hired.

Does Walsh really think he is fooling anyone by floating this supposed list around for the fans to eat up? I can't believe Johnsons people had to reach out to the Knicks instead of the other way around. What does an interest in Johnson on "some level" mean?

It's an insult to sit down with these guys just to put on a show when you have no intentions of hiring them. And its equally insulting to the fans aswell. If Jackson is your man, cut the crap and hire him already.

You'd pretty dumb, stupid NOT' to look at other people! What's the rush?

Who said anything about wanting him to rush?

Auhhhh, the heading on this thread? That's why I responded to it the way I did, yes?

If you read what posted, then you will see what I meant by the title. Never judge a book by its cover

Posted by Uptown:

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Heres my point. With all the coaching candidates available, it seems as if Walsh' interest in them is luke-warm at best. Why does Avery Johnson's people have to reach out to Walsh instead of the other way around? Johnson has the best winning % of all available coaches and yet he's the one that has to call Walsh.

Carlise has been available all year. Knicks has one conversation while the Mavs, whose job became free just this week had a series of meetings with him then hired him.

We've seen coaches interview for jobs while there team was still in the playoffs (Brown, Riley) so why can't Walsh request an interview with Thibideau or at least send out feelers? Why not request an interview with Ewing?


The reason why I titled this thread: Name Jackson coach already....is because it seems as if regardless of who the candidates are, its seems as if Walsh intends on giving Jackson the job anyway.

This list seems like a charade. A show. To make the fans think he's doing his due diligence. At the end of all these interviews, Jackson most likely will emerge as the coach of the Knicks. So if thats Walsh's intentions to hire Jackson regardless, I say, cut the charade and just hire him already. If its not his intentionto hire Jackson, I would like Walsh to be more pro active in his search.

Hope that makes more sense.

Posted by Uptown:

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Heres my point. With all the coaching candidates available, it seems as if Walsh' interest in them is luke-warm at best. Why does Avery Johnson's people have to reach out to Walsh instead of the other way around? Johnson has the best winning % of all available coaches and yet he's the one that has to call Walsh.

Carlise has been available all year. Knicks has one conversation while the Mavs, whose job became free just this week had a series of meetings with him then hired him.

We've seen coaches interview for jobs while there team was still in the playoffs (Brown, Riley) so why can't Walsh request an interview with Thibideau or at least send out feelers? Why not request an interview with Ewing?


The reason why I titled this thread: Name Jackson coach already....is because it seems as if regardless of who the candidates are, its seems as if Walsh intends on giving Jackson the job anyway.

This list seems like a charade. A show. To make the fans think he's doing his due diligence. At the end of all these interviews, Jackson most likely will emerge as the coach of the Knicks. So if thats Walsh's intentions to hire Jackson regardless, I say, cut the charade and just hire him already. If its not his intentionto hire Jackson, I would like Walsh to be more pro active in his search.

Hope that makes more sense.

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Posted by crzymdups:

you're asking any coach to come here and rebuild - and it's not an easy rebuild at all. it's a minimum three year project to get this team to the playoffs, and that's if they make a lot of great moves AND get a little lucky in the draft.

i don't think experienced coaches are looking to sully their resume, especially when there's no reason to believe Dolan will actually show any patience for a rebuild done right.

i think coaches will interview here, but i'm not convinced at how many want to actually come here with zach and curry and steph on board.

another argument against going after a high profile coach is he might be more interested in winning games NOW, which is what a good coach should do. this team doesn't need that right now. we need to rebuild. you get the good coach when you have more of a foundation in place. if there's a high profile coach who wants to help put a foundation in place, i'd be interested.

Geeez. We want and are more than capable of getting the best! Why do you want to go against the grain and knock heads again on this issue of who should be the coach. D'Antoni can be just as let go in three years, if he doesn't improve this bunch (at least 10 more consistent wins a year) by the time the big changes come along. That's the logic in this. At least we'll have someone who has proven to be able to coach a team and if he does improve this bunch and bring out the better sides of them by the time the big changes come in two more years, then that will make him all the more worthy with a team that can get us back to the playoffs and possibly knocking on the door again.

If you sign jax, and he doesn't work out by the time the changes come along, then we would have wasted yet another opportunity to establish a proven, winning coach by the time the big changes come. We need to be set with a coach and fleixible cap by the time the big stars start hitting the market. That's logic! That's the smartest thing to do.

I will state again the bringing of isiah and his experiments have failed miserably! We won 23 games in two of the last three seasons. I mean just how many times do we have to go through this to see that it isn't working and never' will work. We need real change up and down this franchise. No more ****ing around!

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Posted by 4949:

I was clearly talking about the bigger picture for a proven coach, for when the time comes in two more years. Yes' that's just what I said! Why doesn't that make sense?

Posted by crzymdups:

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mark jackson is a good choice to come in and learn on the job, so long as he can relate to the players. it's going to be a tough season. progress is going to have to be tracked incrementally, not in the W column. an experienced coach, especially one as tightly wound as avery johnson, will not do well here. mark jackson can handle the media, can relate to the players and won't have any expectations on him as far as win totals. if 70 win avery johnson comes here, it'll be a disaster.


[Edited by - crzymdups on 04-05-2008 1:47 PM]