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djsunyc
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4/29/2008  2:28 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
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Posted by islesfan:
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btw, i was fascinated by the raptor online fanbase in their views of the team, how they reacted to this season and their whole tj/jose "debate". the past few years following the knicks and then really following the raptors the past 2 years changed me as a fan.

Cheater.

I bet you even do a "Live from Section 404, eh" blog for them.

stfu hoser...


DJ you've yet to answer a question posed to you and backed by me in this thread.

that one's gonna be a thread of it's own one day. i'm just not sure how to articulate it and it might be a little long winded but it will come...
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djsunyc
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4/29/2008  2:30 PM
Posted by islesfan:

The Magic were just better and the Raptors had nobody to match up with Howard. No interior player to get him in foul trouble or make him play someone on defense.

Maybe the Knicks can pawn off Eddy Curry on the Raptors. He would be a good fit for that team. Bosh likes to play on the perimeter but can cover for Curry's rebounding and interior defense inadequacies and they have really good shooters and a solid PG. I'd do Curry for TJ Ford.

curry for ford and i will have to cancel my canadian citizenship application...

tj ford is my favorite pg in the league.
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4/29/2008  2:32 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:

btw, i was fascinated by the raptor online fanbase in their views of the team, how they reacted to this season and their whole tj/jose "debate". the past few years following the knicks and then really following the raptors the past 2 years changed me as a fan.

Cheater.

I bet you even do a "Live from Section 404, eh" blog for them.

stfu hoser...


DJ you've yet to answer a question posed to you and backed by me in this thread.

that one's gonna be a thread of it's own one day. i'm just not sure how to articulate it and it might be a little long winded but it will come...

You and nysportsfan11 gotta stop doing things like this. I read almost all your post whether I strongly disagree or not. They're like pixie straws as a kid, no matter how much candy you had during the day if you came across one of those it was gone.
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4/29/2008  3:39 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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What happened? DinoBosh and his merry Euros are soft.

yup, the raptors are soft. they don't defend well and they lost in the first round of the playoffs again. BUT i still laud colangelo for the job he did up there. he basically took a franchise that was dead in the water, built a team that appealed to the fans in the area, built a team in a totally unique matter, and did a decent job with them in a short time.

but 2 years later, he knows that he has to make changes. he didn't commit to any long term deals and can easily change up the roster again. interesting summer for them. they need a big time wing player to help out bosh.

I listen to the fan 590 in toronto and some of the fans have called out Colangelo on what has he really done.

All he did was get a Jamario moon on the cheap,delfino kapono are role players with no C/PF who knows how to box and reb. nO real substance since he arrived all canadians haven't been duped by colangelo



[Edited by - playa2 on 29-04-2008 15:42]
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4/29/2008  3:44 PM
Posted by playa2:
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What happened? DinoBosh and his merry Euros are soft.

yup, the raptors are soft. they don't defend well and they lost in the first round of the playoffs again. BUT i still laud colangelo for the job he did up there. he basically took a franchise that was dead in the water, built a team that appealed to the fans in the area, built a team in a totally unique matter, and did a decent job with them in a short time.

but 2 years later, he knows that he has to make changes. he didn't commit to any long term deals and can easily change up the roster again. interesting summer for them. they need a big time wing player to help out bosh.

I listen to the fan 590 in toronto and some of the fans have called out Colangelo on what has he realy done.

All he did was get a Jamario moon on the cheap,delfino kapono are role players with no C/PF who knows how to box and reb

yeah, there's a good contingent that's upset. but what is expected in such a short time? the biggest criticism is taking bargnani. and so far, it's not looking good.

but again, this isn't the finished product but people are throwing their arms up like it is. we'll see what the team looks like by the 09/10 season. it ain't easy building a big time team.

i kind of relate it to the yanks deciding to stick with hughes. there's a huge contingent that felt the yanks should've traded him for johan. they're not wrong. but i am happy they didn't b/c i'm curious about this philosophic change the yanks made and whether or not hughes pans out.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-29-2008 3:49 PM]
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4/29/2008  4:02 PM
They chose barganni to sell tickets in toronto, there is a strong italian base in the G.T.A= Greater Toronto Area.

BUT THEY HAVEN'T SPENT ANY MONEY, for impact players and that's what the fans have noticed.

Colangelo is trying to get it done on the cheap and the Toronto fans aren't having it.
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4/29/2008  4:11 PM
Posted by playa2:

They chose barganni to sell tickets in toronto, there is a strong italian base in the G.T.A= Greater Toronto Area.

BUT THEY HAVEN'T SPENT ANY MONEY, for impact players and that's what the fans have noticed.

Colangelo is trying to get it done on the cheap and the Toronto fans aren't having it.

but why do they need immediate gratification? let's see what this team looks like over the next 1-2 years. i see them making a major deal with expirings. and another deal with one of their pg's so i think money will be spent. it's quite possible that colangelo didn't invest longterm in anybody b/c he wasn't happy with what was available? i think the plan all along was the summer of 2009. the only contracts he gave out past that season were to bosh, tj and kapono.

it seems like making the playoffs in 07 inflated their fanbase's expectations so high that they want it all right away.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-29-2008 4:12 PM]
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4/29/2008  4:19 PM
What the fans wanted I believe is every position filled that matters.

Guards are fine, front court sucks out side of bosh what brotha wants to play in Toronto.

Remember Davis wanted out of Toronto because of his kids growing up there.

Hard for toronto to find an american PF that wants to play in toronto seems to be the problem.

Coach Mitchell wants a bruising half court team by colangelo went for the softer euro friendly barganni and this is where the problem between them agreeing on a cxertain style began.

I doubt the cheap toronto franchise would fire coach Mitchell with 2 yrs left on his contract.

[Edited by - playa2 on 29-04-2008 16:24]
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4/29/2008  4:25 PM
Posted by playa2:

Hard for toronto to find an american PF that wants to play in toronto seems to be the problem.

yeah, that's going to be tough. it has to come via trade. luring someone to toronto is not easy. that's why i have to give bc some leeway. and the draft of 2006 didn't have any rugged big man to take either. and he didn't have a pick in 2007 thanks to the previous gm.

i can see them going after maggette to strengthen up the 3 spot. but the 5 spot will be tough to fill. alot of it hinges are bargs.
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4/29/2008  4:30 PM
Do you really think the the me 1st Maggette will fit in in toronto?

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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4/29/2008  4:45 PM
The Raptors lost to a team that over 82 games, proved to be a better team. So why did something have to happen to the Raptors and why are people getting their panties in a bunch?
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4/29/2008  6:06 PM
The franchise is known to be a cheapskate, the "real fans" in toronto know that.

They expect the new gm to go out and spend money on a need they have had for the last 4-5 yrs.
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4/29/2008  6:44 PM
Bargnani is looking like a bust for one thing. They need to trade TJ Ford for something - rebounding, a SG, something.

Calderon should be playing 40 minutes a night for that team.
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4/29/2008  7:43 PM
Posted by sebstar:
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Lol at Punani...kid isnt a number one overall pick at all. Not even close.

Well, at least he's better than Kwame Brown. And, unlike Kwame, I've read that he's going to some heavy work on his game over this summer.

Jerome James

Thats a complete L, when you open a statement with: "We'll at least he's better than Kwame Brown..." Who isnt?

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4/30/2008  5:36 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by playa2:

They chose barganni to sell tickets in toronto, there is a strong italian base in the G.T.A= Greater Toronto Area.

BUT THEY HAVEN'T SPENT ANY MONEY, for impact players and that's what the fans have noticed.

Colangelo is trying to get it done on the cheap and the Toronto fans aren't having it.

but why do they need immediate gratification?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-29-2008 4:12 PM]

Maybe being from Toronto might allow me to give you guys some insight on the sports situation here even though a few of you know more about the raptors than me.

Why are they harsh with Colangelo? Other than the fact he inherited Bosh and Calderon the Raptors have a horribe GM history. GM's have left raptor fans DEFLATED time and time again.

Rob Babcock! hated, drafted Arajuo with the 8th pick, traded VC for pennies, and just totally sucked.

Glen Grenwuld signed Jerome Williams to a 7 year contract, Antonio Davis to a 7 year 60 million contract, and Alvin Williams to a contract that was atleast longer than 4 years if i remember correctly. Oh and he did it all in the same summer from what i remember. TMac left for free. Brought in Olajuwan at 65years of age and Kevin Willis at 543 years of age.

Isiah Thomas in Toronto: Enough said.

They haven't had a GM that has been consistently good since they joined the league.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY there is urgency by in my opinion in a way not related to basketball at all. I mean you guys have the Knicks, but then you also have your second teams in the Giants/Jets, Yanks/Mets, Rangers/Devils/Islanders. Here's the situation in toronto. Toronto is the third biggest market in North America after New York and L.A. and the 4th biggest city(6 million people) between the U.S. and Canada after NY,LA,and Chicago.

The Toronto Maple Leafs (THe New York Knicks under Scott Layden) SUCK and are old, slow, overpaid, and going nowhere in the biggest hockey market in north america)yet the team is the most profitable franchise year in and year out in the NHL like the Knicks.

The Toronto Blue Jays are perennial celler dwellers in a division that hosts the Yanks and Sox.

The Toronto FC (MLS Soccer: who cares!?) suck.

TORONTO has not seen a team go deep into the playoffs in something like 6 years and have won nothing as a city since they Blue Jays won the world series in 92.

THe Canadian Football League!? PLEASE. The owners of the Raptors, Leafs, Jays are all trying to move the Buffalo Bills to Toronto.

People in TOronto simply want to see a team make the playoffs and get past the first round and the only team qualifying for playoffs these days are the Raptors.
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4/30/2008  8:16 AM
I for one live 1 1/2 hr from toronto, I listen to the fan590( CHUCK SWIRSKY DAILY) and watch the raptors games on local tv and NBA League Pass, so even though i'm not living in the city of Toronto I pretty much hear the same gripes that the fans there hear.

What I said earlier holds some truth then by what you described above.
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4/30/2008  8:24 AM
if raptor fans want money spent, they need to look south to the knicks to see what can happen - no reason to rush anything. they have a nice core group of young players- there stuck in the middle a bit of not having a high draft pick or having the financial ability to overpay (like the magic did with lewis).

I could see Curry actually being a decent fit - though if they need rebounding, I would suggest an alternative, Zach.

If only we could be so lucky.
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Zach would not fit on the raptors with their euro friendly atmosphere.

Eddy would be just as bad (in a different way) in Toronto not being able to pass the ball out of double teams. He's a tumbler by trade.
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4/30/2008  10:23 AM
Posted by bishop:

Maybe being from Toronto might allow me to give you guys some insight on the sports situation here even though a few of you know more about the raptors than me.

Why are they harsh with Colangelo? Other than the fact he inherited Bosh and Calderon the Raptors have a horribe GM history. GM's have left raptor fans DEFLATED time and time again.

Rob Babcock! hated, drafted Arajuo with the 8th pick, traded VC for pennies, and just totally sucked.

Glen Grenwuld signed Jerome Williams to a 7 year contract, Antonio Davis to a 7 year 60 million contract, and Alvin Williams to a contract that was atleast longer than 4 years if i remember correctly. Oh and he did it all in the same summer from what i remember. TMac left for free. Brought in Olajuwan at 65years of age and Kevin Willis at 543 years of age.

Isiah Thomas in Toronto: Enough said.

They haven't had a GM that has been consistently good since they joined the league.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY there is urgency by in my opinion in a way not related to basketball at all. I mean you guys have the Knicks, but then you also have your second teams in the Giants/Jets, Yanks/Mets, Rangers/Devils/Islanders. Here's the situation in toronto. Toronto is the third biggest market in North America after New York and L.A. and the 4th biggest city(6 million people) between the U.S. and Canada after NY,LA,and Chicago.

The Toronto Maple Leafs (THe New York Knicks under Scott Layden) SUCK and are old, slow, overpaid, and going nowhere in the biggest hockey market in north america)yet the team is the most profitable franchise year in and year out in the NHL like the Knicks.

The Toronto Blue Jays are perennial celler dwellers in a division that hosts the Yanks and Sox.

The Toronto FC (MLS Soccer: who cares!?) suck.

TORONTO has not seen a team go deep into the playoffs in something like 6 years and have won nothing as a city since they Blue Jays won the world series in 92.

THe Canadian Football League!? PLEASE. The owners of the Raptors, Leafs, Jays are all trying to move the Buffalo Bills to Toronto.

People in TOronto simply want to see a team make the playoffs and get past the first round and the only team qualifying for playoffs these days are the Raptors.

cool...thanks for the local insight. it would certainly explain their impatience.
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Posted by playa2:

What the fans wanted I believe is every position filled that matters.

Guards are fine, front court sucks out side of bosh what brotha wants to play in Toronto.

Remember Davis wanted out of Toronto because of his kids growing up there.

Hard for toronto to find an american PF that wants to play in toronto seems to be the problem.

Coach Mitchell wants a bruising half court team by colangelo went for the softer euro friendly barganni and this is where the problem between them agreeing on a cxertain style began.

I doubt the cheap toronto franchise would fire coach Mitchell with 2 yrs left on his contract.

[Edited by - playa2 on 29-04-2008 16:24]

Exactly right on the first point you made. The position has been empty for many years and thats what pisses off raptors fan. The best big defensive players they have had in this decade were Antonio Davis and Keon Clark.

I think your point on people not wanting to play in Toronto is somewhat right. It weird because alot of the players have misconceptions about Toronto and Canada in general and dont want to play here because its a different country. Once again its the 4th biggest city in N.A. with great diversity and a night life better that probably 25 other nba cities. Vince loved it here, T-Mac also liked it but wanted to be the star and play close to his home town. MoPete loved it so much that he gave a local teacher herpes lol. JYD called it a smaller cleaner NYC for whatever thats worth lol. But then again its Canada, its slightly colder than NY, we say "hoser"(by the way DJ i've never heard anyone in the GTA ever say hoser, but we do say "Eh!"(no joke), wear touques and live in igloos haha.

As for Antonio Davis and his kids. Its not that he didnt like Toronto but rather he didnt want his kids to grow up with canadian schooling. Atleast in Ontario, schools barely scratch American history, rather they teach canada-quebec history, you have to take french until grade 9,we teach about a british parliamentary governance, have the metric system, etc. Plus there were issues with him wanting the raptors to have his wife work for RaptorsTV or something.

But you're totally right that the defensive forward/center position has been empty forever, every offseason most raptors fans want a big defender or wing defender and never get it. They blame Colangelo because this is his system with running and gunning. Its his vision of a team thats failing. Also Bargnani in my own personal opinion wasnt simply drafted to sell tickets, while true to an extent it was moreso that Colangelo wanted to run and gun with the next "Dirk."

Last thing, you start to hate the raptors when they are all you here about every damn day from your friends, newspapers,tv,etc. Most fans and media think the team is much better than it really is which is annoying. Not one Raptor fan i know thought Orlando might be even slightly better than the Raps. It was Raps in 5 or 6.
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