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SupremeCommander
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4/26/2008  4:42 PM
This thread was so much more entertaining when I started burning one down
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4/26/2008  5:03 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

This thread was so much more entertaining when I started burning one down

lol. right on cue.
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4/26/2008  5:37 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

This thread was so much more entertaining when I started burning one down

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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4/26/2008  8:45 PM
"butas far as other drugs like crack and heroin, I think the laws are right where they should be. What bull**** collars like criminal trespass and cpcs7 (narcotics possession) accomplish cant be defined in statistics. If a crackhead spends the night in jail thats one less person who wakes up in the morning to find their car windows smashed. Thats one less crackhead getting high in a stairwell of a housing development, leaving a nice pile of human feces for the residents the next day. That could be a burglary, a rape, or even a murder that was never allowed to take place. I think that many of the proponents of legalizing drugs dont have to deal with the crackheads and dopefiends that lower the quality of life in poorer neighborhoods." I mean, i agree with you, and I think if a crackhead messes up your stuff he should have to go to jail, but giving him a mandatory 3 year sentence b/c of possession is overkill. if a guy gets drunk and breaks your window he'll get a disorderly conduct? some sort of misdemeanor, he won't go to jail for 3 years minimum b/c he was drinking. i just think the mandatory minimum sentence concept must be looked at, as it puts an inordinate amount of ppl in jail for being drug addicts. if a guy routinely gets drunk and breaks things, he won't get jail time but they'll make him attend AA classes and the like, why is it different for drug addicts? ($$$)
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4/27/2008  3:31 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

"butas far as other drugs like crack and heroin, I think the laws are right where they should be. What bull**** collars like criminal trespass and cpcs7 (narcotics possession) accomplish cant be defined in statistics. If a crackhead spends the night in jail thats one less person who wakes up in the morning to find their car windows smashed. Thats one less crackhead getting high in a stairwell of a housing development, leaving a nice pile of human feces for the residents the next day. That could be a burglary, a rape, or even a murder that was never allowed to take place. I think that many of the proponents of legalizing drugs dont have to deal with the crackheads and dopefiends that lower the quality of life in poorer neighborhoods." I mean, i agree with you, and I think if a crackhead messes up your stuff he should have to go to jail, but giving him a mandatory 3 year sentence b/c of possession is overkill. if a guy gets drunk and breaks your window he'll get a disorderly conduct? some sort of misdemeanor, he won't go to jail for 3 years minimum b/c he was drinking. i just think the mandatory minimum sentence concept must be looked at, as it puts an inordinate amount of ppl in jail for being drug addicts. if a guy routinely gets drunk and breaks things, he won't get jail time but they'll make him attend AA classes and the like, why is it different for drug addicts? ($$$)

When I am referring to "possession", I mean people who are arrested with a couple bags of crack or dope on them. This Criminal possession of a controlled substance in the 7th degree. When a dealer is arrested with 30 bags of crack on him he is charged with the higher possession charge, CPCS 5th degree or CPCS 3rd degree, both of which are felonies. In reality, unless the dealer is a repeat offender he is almost always offered a plea to reduce the charges to a misdemeanor and rehab instead of jail time. This is why you sometimes see 18 year old kids running around with ID cards for drug treatment programs. So in New York the laws really arent that draconian, in fact I really wish they were tougher.

A user will NEVER have 30 bags of crack on them. The habits are so overwhelming that they would sit somewhere and smoke until it is all gone. When someone is on the street with 20-30 bags they are hustling. And quite frankly it sucks to put a lot of time and effort in arresting a drug dealer and then seeing him released days later after a BS plea. The MAX sentence for a misdemeanor by the way is one year in jail. So for lower charges these guys are usually out the next day.

Im do believe that twe should legalize and tax marijuana. I dont agree that the government has the right to tell you that you cant use a recreational drug that at worst will make you lazy and cuase lung damage. Im not saying to anybody that weed is good for you at all, I just think that you should have the right to use if you want to.

Crack and Heroin destroy families, and we have already seen in the 1980's what can happen when drug abuse becomes prevalent to the extent that it is referred to as an epidemic. If anything we should make stiffer penalties to curb the financial appeal of drug dealing. Believe me if little johnny sees the toughest guy on the block get locked up for 2-3 years for selling a bag of crack, than little johnny will think twice when he gets older. Right now urban culture celibrates drug dealers, violence, mocks people who are scared to hold a gun. Thats fine so long as people realize that its only entertainment, but when someone crosses the line throw his ass in jail, and let him sit for a couple of years. If he does it again, lock him up for ten. I really dont have any sympathy for drugs dealers. These are the guys who will hold a building hostage for years by setting up shop right in the lobby of a residential building. The people who live there have to deal with a parade of crack heads who smoke and leave every imaginable body secretion in the stairways and elevators, they have to worry about getting robbed by the hard rock young kids who want to impress the older guys. I mean who deserves that?

And I guess by legalizing it you would eliminate the problems associated with drug dealing, as these people would be out of the loop. But I still wouldnt want to deal with the drug related crime that addicts bring to the community.

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4/27/2008  5:58 AM
Posted by knicksbabyyeah:
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bobby:
Most of the players in the league use marijuana and I have and do partake in smoking weed in the offseason sometimes," Howard told The Michael Irvin Show on the local ESPN affiliate. "I mean, that's my personal choice and my personal opinion, but I don't think that's stopping me from doing my job."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/basketball/nba/04/25/howard.marijuana.ap/index.html?eref=si_nba


If baseball is scrutinized for Steroids--my bet is that this is going to result in a massive investigation with Congress getting involved. You can't have a prominent player admit to using illegal drugs and also implicate most of the league and think nothing will come of it.

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4/27/2008  10:16 AM
Alcohol is enough of a legal vice--although you can go to jail over it--right---for America. Can you imagine if hundreds-of thousands of people were smoking dope on a daily basis as well? How about the person who smokes a joint goes out in his car and kills your wife and kids from being high? I think alcohol is enough for the usa to deal with itself--too many people abuse the privilige as is. Does the country need another vice to hurt it? No---it should be legal only in usage of medical benefit like any other drug. Dope is the pathway to harder drugs---I think anybody knows that. I highly doubt you go from nothing to smoking crack without stopping by the marijuana highway
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4/27/2008  5:14 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Alcohol is enough of a legal vice--although you can go to jail over it--right---for America. Can you imagine if hundreds-of thousands of people were smoking dope on a daily basis as well? How about the person who smokes a joint goes out in his car and kills your wife and kids from being high? I think alcohol is enough for the usa to deal with itself--too many people abuse the privilige as is. Does the country need another vice to hurt it? No---it should be legal only in usage of medical benefit like any other drug. Dope is the pathway to harder drugs---I think anybody knows that. I highly doubt you go from nothing to smoking crack without stopping by the marijuana highway

I agree with you. Marijuana is often a stepping stone that leads to the use of heavy drugs. It also impairs the ability of one to react quickly, something that is absolutely necessary while driving. I guess it comes down to where you draw the line, and how dangerous a drug needs to be before the government has the right to ban it. I personally believe that the line falls right after marijuana. I believe that you should have the right to smoke a joint, buy a pack of cigarettes and drink a beer if you so desire. It is far from a black and white issue tho. The money that is gained from taxing marijuana could be used toward combating other, more dangerous drugs. It could be used in prevention and awareness programs for teens, rehab programs for addicts. There can be positives from legalizing pot, just as there can be negatives.
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4/27/2008  5:22 PM
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Weed makes you stupid and stunts your emotional growth.

That's just not true. I know many successful wealthy potheads.

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4/27/2008  9:12 PM
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..........well of course, the original. good looking out joe

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4/27/2008  9:28 PM
getting back to josh howard's comments, stern should have no problem presenting his case to the union for off-season drug testing.....i feel stern should act on this immediately. congress may want to know the other off-season sometimes wanna-be smokers.


gotta wonder does howard have a forthcoming book

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4/28/2008  9:16 AM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Alcohol is enough of a legal vice--although you can go to jail over it--right---for America. Can you imagine if hundreds-of thousands of people were smoking dope on a daily basis as well? How about the person who smokes a joint goes out in his car and kills your wife and kids from being high? I think alcohol is enough for the usa to deal with itself--too many people abuse the privilige as is. Does the country need another vice to hurt it? No---it should be legal only in usage of medical benefit like any other drug. Dope is the pathway to harder drugs---I think anybody knows that. I highly doubt you go from nothing to smoking crack without stopping by the marijuana highway

I agree with you. Marijuana is often a stepping stone that leads to the use of heavy drugs. It also impairs the ability of one to react quickly, something that is absolutely necessary while driving. I guess it comes down to where you draw the line, and how dangerous a drug needs to be before the government has the right to ban it. I personally believe that the line falls right after marijuana. I believe that you should have the right to smoke a joint, buy a pack of cigarettes and drink a beer if you so desire. It is far from a black and white issue tho. The money that is gained from taxing marijuana could be used toward combating other, more dangerous drugs. It could be used in prevention and awareness programs for teens, rehab programs for addicts. There can be positives from legalizing pot, just as there can be negatives.

--->buy a pack of cigarettes

if there were no cigarettes--our health care system would not be haywire. The cost of smoking cigarettes for the country is in the multi-TRILLIONS over the last 25 years for health care. The self-serving act of smoking cigareetes makes spending $ in the Iraq war comparable to 1/10000 of a dollar. If cigareetes didnt exsist--the planet would be far better off. All it is is an individual's self-serving act that effects everyone else. And again dope+ cigareetes= gateway to drugs.
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4/29/2008  4:14 PM
Many greats have got high over the yrs as far back AS Dr J to TJ Ford J howard today.
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4/29/2008  10:52 PM
that may or may not be true, but i never heard doctor j admit to smoking in the off season.

role models are not suppose to say those kind of things
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4/30/2008  2:11 AM
Wow, this thread has some very funny posts...haha

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-30-2008 02:11 AM]
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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4/30/2008  7:55 AM
This is a ticking time bomb and no matter how careful the NBA and Feds are with it, imo it's going to blow up in there face. It only requires a few players to get medical prescriptions for it (preferably in a state where it's legal). Remember, it's a great pain killer (amongst it's other affects). In Cali the Feds are pretty much losing control with medical marijuana. The state of Cali will see how they can raise billions a year by taxing it. Other states will follow then the Feds will cave in and other drugs will follow. This sounds pretty impossible right now, but imagine how womens rights, civil rights, etc. were "way back when".

Now, if we could get a few big name players in big markets step up to the plate, that might help, but timing will be key and I think we are close (next few years).

It's a matter of time...
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4/30/2008  8:24 AM
Posted by Bobby:

that may or may not be true, but i never heard doctor j admit to smoking in the off season.

role models are not suppose to say those kind of things

Josh Howard was a bowlegged almost never could walk straight again hardworker nba over achiever was just blowing the whistle on david sterns hypocritical attitude of the NBA drug policy rules.

DR J was an NBA LEGEND, GREATEST 50 PLAYERS OF ALL TIME and did cocaine at parties in philly my brother attended, why would he say anyhting.



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4/30/2008  10:31 AM
maybe dallas should look to move howard for someone like marion?
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4/30/2008  12:54 PM
Most people say that weed, unlike cocaine and other drugs, is a natural plant and is not anymore harmful to the body than alcohol. That being said, what kind of idiot publicly admits that a) he smokes weed, and b) that there are alot of people in the league who smoke weed. I am sure Stern is thankfully for Howard's contribution to the image of the league.
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