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nyk4ever
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4/23/2008  4:24 PM
If we don't have a shot at Rose/Beasely/Mayo then I would trade down to the 10-12 range to get rid of Zach. There still should be guys like Westbrook, Anthony Randolph on the board.
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4/23/2008  4:43 PM
if Zach is such a cancer and after pick 3 there are no real superstars, why would any GM make such a trade?

If Zach must go, keep all tangible rebuilding assets ie the high lottery pick, Lee and negotiate a buy out...
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4/23/2008  5:03 PM
Big you think Zach is coachable. The year before the Knicks won more games without Zach and had half the team hurt. Portland was a much better team without him. You cant win with either. McK your right there is no way we can get rid of Zach we just need to cut him
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4/23/2008  5:25 PM
Basically on this board you can post any crappy trade and if it involves Randolph most people on here will love it. How many bad trades will it take for the lightbulb to go on that a bad trade regardless if it involves a player you hate or a player that you love will not make this organization successful. And its comical that fans would use a 33 win season as the barometer for a good season. This team hasn't been relevant since 2000 so why some fans delude themselves into thinking that one or two players will solve the majority of the problems is beyond me. This is not to absolve Zach but come on people stop living in this fantasy world. Besides King tokes a big one everynight so he barely remembers half the shyt he types on here.

This is typical of some Knick fans because Isiah sucked for these sort of trades yet people continue to advocate for these kind of nonesense trades (taking two steps back to go forward).
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4/23/2008  5:29 PM
Posted by BigRedDog:

NO WAY do I trade a lottery pick just to get rid of Randolph. Never heard anything so dumb. Who are you ? Zekes cousin? Long lost relative of his?

Thank you for the voice of reason.
What is WRONG with you people?
Bonn1997
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4/23/2008  5:47 PM
Posted by s3231:

I remember when I took some abuse for calling Zach a stat whore.

I wouldn't mind trading down to get a shorter contract in exchange for his. I'm just not sure another team would be willing to do that to move up. However, if we could find a taker, I would be up for it.

People keep talking about wanting to get under the cap in 3 years. Well, thats not going to happen if Zach is still on this roster at that point. Its going to be very difficult to get his value up to a point where we can trade him outright for a shorter contract.

[Edited by - s3231 on 04-23-2008 4:20 PM]

[Edited by - s3231 on 04-23-2008 4:21 PM]

Huge benefits of trading Zach are the cap space, the fact that it would free up Lee and Curry and their trade values would probably go up, and it would free up the entire offense. A huge downside is that we'd probably win more games without the guy around and get a worse (later) draft pick next off-season.
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4/23/2008  6:01 PM
Bitty if they buy him out he still gets paid. I bet you make him take of his shirt and say Hey! Hey! Hey! every night before you two hit the sack. THey have to get rid of his contract which I think is impossible.
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4/23/2008  6:29 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by BigRedDog:

NO WAY do I trade a lottery pick just to get rid of Randolph. Never heard anything so dumb. Who are you ? Zekes cousin? Long lost relative of his?

Thank you for the voice of reason.
What is WRONG with you people?


What is wrong with you??
Trade the 4th pick to get the 14th pick just to get rid of Randolph. Lose a potential superstar in the draft to get a mediocre player just to get rid of something that might not even be the problem?? Who are you? another genetic clone of zeke?
fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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4/23/2008  6:33 PM
Posted by King1:

I would only trade a lottery pick to get rid of Zach. Then you can rebuild much quicker

King 1 I hear you but I don't think we are in position to give away such a large asset to get rid of Zach right now. That wouldnt be accepted by fans after a season where we won 20 games. The best bet is use him as a sixth or 7th man like he was originally in Portland--he was very effective in that role and when his last year is coming up--he will likley be a player who can get a 3-4 year MLE still---so you can chop 3-5mm from his last years salry to help the cap position. There is no sign that says Z randolph starts and gets 40 minutes. How about Zach randolph is a 7th man used for bench scoring and will be utilyzed for 18-22 minutes off the bench where the coach stipulates that he must keep his game within 10 feet or be subject to fine/suspension for insubordination if he choose not to. He's good in the low block and I think we can get bets usage out of him off the bench like Portland did when they were good. Just need discipline and strategy with him right now because hes not tradeable.


We need to get as much as we can out of this draft pick. I guess we can start by saying Derrick Rose as of now until the lottery comes and dictates otherwise. There are other factors that have to be dealt with--namely Lee Nate and Crawford and how they will effect the long term cap. While these are imporatnt players--I think at this point the cap space is most important--if Lee is looking for something more than 42-45mm I would say good bye. If Nate is looking for more than 3-3.5mm--goodbye If Crawford expects an opt out raise--trade block. If I can get rid of Curry for a draft pick and lesser contract good bye. There is a lot more than just Zach--decisions on extension and roster purging make this a huge scenario. That is why i question what i heard from Walsh last night--sounds like he wants a band aid and go with what we have. then if he signs Lee Nate and gives into Craford for extension--cap space in 2013
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4/23/2008  6:34 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by s3231:

I remember when I took some abuse for calling Zach a stat whore.

I wouldn't mind trading down to get a shorter contract in exchange for his. I'm just not sure another team would be willing to do that to move up. However, if we could find a taker, I would be up for it.

People keep talking about wanting to get under the cap in 3 years. Well, thats not going to happen if Zach is still on this roster at that point. Its going to be very difficult to get his value up to a point where we can trade him outright for a shorter contract.

[Edited by - s3231 on 04-23-2008 4:20 PM]

[Edited by - s3231 on 04-23-2008 4:21 PM]

Huge benefits of trading Zach are the cap space, the fact that it would free up Lee and Curry and their trade values would probably go up, and it would free up the entire offense. A huge downside is that we'd probably win more games without the guy around and get a worse (later) draft pick next off-season.

Look the Knicks should be striving to make the best deals possible. With this premise in mind how good of a deal do you honestly see a team doing involving Randolph? You think some team is just going to give us a expiring contract or better yet draft picks for Randolph? Who knows it may very well be possible but its just a probable that teams would only be willing to give us total crap in return for Randolph. And if the later is the only option available we're better off at least trying to stick out for another season unless things become completely disasterous with Randolph. I'm sorry King but it is completely retarded to buy-out a player at Randolph's age unless its a career-ending injury type situation and also considering he still has a few years left on his contract.
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4/23/2008  6:35 PM
Posted by BigRedDog:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by BigRedDog:

NO WAY do I trade a lottery pick just to get rid of Randolph. Never heard anything so dumb. Who are you ? Zekes cousin? Long lost relative of his?

Thank you for the voice of reason.
What is WRONG with you people?


What is wrong with you??
Trade the 4th pick to get the 14th pick just to get rid of Randolph. Lose a potential superstar in the draft to get a mediocre player just to get rid of something that might not even be the problem?? Who are you? another genetic clone of zeke?

Dog, I was AGREEING with you!


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4/23/2008  6:38 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by BigRedDog:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by BigRedDog:

NO WAY do I trade a lottery pick just to get rid of Randolph. Never heard anything so dumb. Who are you ? Zekes cousin? Long lost relative of his?

Thank you for the voice of reason.
What is WRONG with you people?


What is wrong with you??
Trade the 4th pick to get the 14th pick just to get rid of Randolph. Lose a potential superstar in the draft to get a mediocre player just to get rid of something that might not even be the problem?? Who are you? another genetic clone of zeke?

Dog, I was AGREEING with you!

Sorry. I thought you were being sarcastic. My bad.

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
Bonn1997
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4/23/2008  6:52 PM
Posted by BigRedDog:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by BigRedDog:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by BigRedDog:

NO WAY do I trade a lottery pick just to get rid of Randolph. Never heard anything so dumb. Who are you ? Zekes cousin? Long lost relative of his?

Thank you for the voice of reason.
What is WRONG with you people?


What is wrong with you??
Trade the 4th pick to get the 14th pick just to get rid of Randolph. Lose a potential superstar in the draft to get a mediocre player just to get rid of something that might not even be the problem?? Who are you? another genetic clone of zeke?

Dog, I was AGREEING with you!

Sorry. I thought you were being sarcastic. My bad.

Hilarious!
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4/23/2008  6:55 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by s3231:

I remember when I took some abuse for calling Zach a stat whore.

I wouldn't mind trading down to get a shorter contract in exchange for his. I'm just not sure another team would be willing to do that to move up. However, if we could find a taker, I would be up for it.

People keep talking about wanting to get under the cap in 3 years. Well, thats not going to happen if Zach is still on this roster at that point. Its going to be very difficult to get his value up to a point where we can trade him outright for a shorter contract.

[Edited by - s3231 on 04-23-2008 4:20 PM]

[Edited by - s3231 on 04-23-2008 4:21 PM]

Huge benefits of trading Zach are the cap space, the fact that it would free up Lee and Curry and their trade values would probably go up, and it would free up the entire offense. A huge downside is that we'd probably win more games without the guy around and get a worse (later) draft pick next off-season.

Look the Knicks should be striving to make the best deals possible. With this premise in mind how good of a deal do you honestly see a team doing involving Randolph? You think some team is just going to give us a expiring contract or better yet draft picks for Randolph? Who knows it may very well be possible but its just a probable that teams would only be willing to give us total crap in return for Randolph. And if the later is the only option available we're better off at least trying to stick out for another season unless things become completely disasterous with Randolph. I'm sorry King but it is completely retarded to buy-out a player at Randolph's age unless its a career-ending injury type situation and also considering he still has a few years left on his contract.
Forget expiring contracts. I'd take any human with one less year and give up anyone except our lottery pick and Lee to get rid of Zach right now. If it was for an expiring contract, I'd gladly throw Lee into the deal. As far as trading our lottery pick for a later pick, it depends on how far we'd be trading down. I also don't follow college ball enough to evaluate the talent that would be available at each draft position. I'm just relying on other people's reports.
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4/23/2008  8:00 PM
I'd take any human with one less year and give up anyone except our lottery pick and Lee to get rid of Zach right now.

Even if he was totally garbage or injury prone? Thats where you and I will never agree because its all about improving the team and taking steps back to try to get forward is imo a plan that much different then Isiah's idiocy.
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4/23/2008  8:11 PM
Posted by bitty41:
I'd take any human with one less year and give up anyone except our lottery pick and Lee to get rid of Zach right now.

Even if he was totally garbage or injury prone? Thats where you and I will never agree because its all about improving the team and taking steps back to try to get forward is imo a plan that much different then Isiah's idiocy.

Even if it was pee-wee Herman. Is there a typo in your last sentence? I don't follow it. ("a plan that much different then..")
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4/23/2008  8:20 PM
I was just referring to your plan to eradicate all things concerning Zach, trading with no concern for anything other then him not being on the team.
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4/24/2008  3:35 AM
The idea of trading down, for whatever reason, is exactly what we don't need. Isiah got us a lot of picks in the 20's resulting in a lot of bench players. Knicks need quality starters. At whatever spot we pick in the top 8, there should be a few quality starters to choose from. We need to nail this draft and get a 10 year starter. The idea of trading down will just increase the odds that we get another Frye, Nate, Balk, Mardy, Lee, Chandler.

The only way I trade down is an Eddie Griffin scenario, where you tab the hot prospect you have doubts about and swap him for a lower pick who you like better.
We need the high pick. We have missed out on too many Amare, Butler, Roy, Aldridge (and Bynum) possibilities. Time to get one right.
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4/24/2008  6:20 AM
Posted by bitty41:

I was just referring to your plan to eradicate all things concerning Zach, trading with no concern for anything other then him not being on the team.
I'd trade to "eradicate" anyone with a contract that goes through 2011. The concern is for getting cap space and allowing other players (who wouldn't have to share the ball with Zach) to develop. You seem to want to keep Zach no matter what the cost to our team's future is

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-24-2008 06:23 AM]
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4/24/2008  8:24 AM
No not at all but Randolph like any trades that are made from this point forward should be about making this team better. I don't see how trading Randolph for another guy whose making 10 million except he has no skills or is constantly injured is going to make this team better. I don't know if your suggesting that we put everything on hold until 2011 and then try to make this team competetive?

Thats kinda of silly to try to unload any and everyone with a contract that extends beyond to 2011. Like I said teams will most likely only be interested in trading scrubs that are making big money.
Trade down is the best deal for the Knicks

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